Alaska Darin Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 He came in the game late against Houston. It was around the 3rd Q. They were down 17-7 or around there. Perhaps my defination of limited is different than yours. Upside potential is huge. And that was my point. If he's this limited at this point in the game, after two season wouldn't you think he's only going to get better? Christ, he's done more in his first two full seasons than JK did. And no, I'm not from Atlanta. I was born and raised in Rochester. 218224[/snapback] Potential means nothing. He has all the tools - except for the mental part of the game. Kelly's first 2 seasons: 16 games. 285 for 480, 59.4%, 3593 yards, 7.5 PP, 22 TDs, 17 Ints. 12 games. 250 for 419, 59.7%, 2798 yards, 6.7 PP, 19 TDs, 11 Ints Vick's 2nd and 4th seasons: 15 games. 231 for 421, 54.9%, 2936 yards, 6.97 PP, 16 TDs, 8 Ints 15 games. 181 for 321 56.4% 2313 yards, 7.21 PP, 14 TDs, 12 Ints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted January 25, 2005 Author Share Posted January 25, 2005 Potential means nothing. He has all the tools - except for the mental part of the game. Kelly's first 2 seasons: 16 games. 285 for 480, 59.4%, 3593 yards, 7.5 PP, 22 TDs, 17 Ints. 12 games. 250 for 419, 59.7%, 2798 yards, 6.7 PP, 19 TDs, 11 Ints Vick's 2nd and 4th seasons: 15 games. 231 for 421, 54.9%, 2936 yards, 6.97 PP, 16 TDs, 8 Ints 15 games. 181 for 321 56.4% 2313 yards, 7.21 PP, 14 TDs, 12 Ints 218272[/snapback] Let's not leave out the nearly 1000 yards he gained on foot both those years. So to me between total offensive production and team record Vick has the advantage. Plus, Kelly had Reed, the future HOFer those first two years. What's his excuse??? Way to do the research on the TB game Darin!!! If you take out that second half meltdown, it doesn't skew the numbers in your favor quite as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Let's not leave out the nearly 1000 yards he gained on foot both those years. So to me between total offensive production and team record Vick has the advantage. Plus, Kelly had Reed, the future HOFer those first two years. What's his excuse??? Way to do the research on the TB game Darin!!! If you take out that second half meltdown, it doesn't skew the numbers in your favor quite as much. 218307[/snapback] I don't need to do research. I've watched enough of Vick to know he's not much more than a media creation who's very likely to end up like Kordell Stewart if he doesn't learn to read defenses. Kelly would put up ridiculous numbers with today's passing rules. He wouldn't have to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doza Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Vick might be the most overrated player in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted January 25, 2005 Author Share Posted January 25, 2005 I don't need to do research. I've watched enough of Vick to know he's not much more than a media creation who's very likely to end up like Kordell Stewart if he doesn't learn to read defenses. Kelly would put up ridiculous numbers with today's passing rules. He wouldn't have to run. 218330[/snapback] It was a compliment. I was hoping that the game was missed by you...... Sure he could end up like Kordell. Or he could end up like Elway. Time will tell, but two years in isn't going to tell you a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted January 25, 2005 Author Share Posted January 25, 2005 Vick might be the most overrated player in the league. 218336[/snapback] Yeah well thanks for that indepth analysis. I hope it didn't take too much of your brain power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I don't need to do research. I've watched enough of Vick to know he's not much more than a media creation who's very likely to end up like Kordell Stewart if he doesn't learn to read defenses. Kelly would put up ridiculous numbers with today's passing rules. He wouldn't have to run. 218330[/snapback] Who would you rather have Vick or Drew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Who would you rather have Vick or Drew? 218343[/snapback] Neither. Kind of like choosing between the Democrats and Republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted January 25, 2005 Author Share Posted January 25, 2005 Ah well, I've aruged this enough. It's as simple as this. The Atlanta Falcons franchise is in awesome hands for the next 10 years. Michael Vick has proven to be a winner. In his first two full years he's gone deep in the playoffs. Make whatever arguement you want against him, but I'd rather be in the Falcons shoes than many other NFL franchises. Will he win a SB? I don't know, I've seen crappier QB's win it, I've seen better QB's win it. The upside on this guy is huge. The Falcons made a great trade with SD to get him and are reaping the benefits because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Neither. Kind of like choosing between the Democrats and Republicans. 218345[/snapback] That must of really hurt to say "I do" Go KRC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Ah well, I've aruged this enough. It's as simple as this. The Atlanta Falcons franchise is in awesome hands for the next 10 years. Michael Vick has proven to be a winner. In his first two full years he's gone deep in the playoffs. Make whatever arguement you want against him, but I'd rather be in the Falcons shoes than many other NFL franchises. Will he win a SB? I don't know, I've seen crappier QB's win it, I've seen better QB's win it. The upside on this guy is huge. The Falcons made a great trade with SD to get him and are reaping the benefits because of it. 218348[/snapback] They'd likely be better with LT and Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted January 25, 2005 Author Share Posted January 25, 2005 Neither. Kind of like choosing between the Democrats and Republicans. 218345[/snapback] Whatever Darin. You'd be on the Vick train along with the rest of us if he was here. I know there wouldn't be a problem with selling tickets.....look at what the mobile midget did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted January 25, 2005 Author Share Posted January 25, 2005 They'd likely be better with LT and Brees. 218351[/snapback] You'd be better off with a brain transplant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doza Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Yeah well thanks for that indepth analysis. I hope it didn't take too much of your brain power. 218342[/snapback] The "analysis" is all around you. He isn't accurate, he can't call plays on his own, and all he seems to be able to do is run with the ball. He should have been a running back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doza Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 You'd be better off with a brain transplant. 218353[/snapback] Good argument. If they don't agree with you, insult them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Whatever Darin. You'd be on the Vick train along with the rest of us if he was here. I know there wouldn't be a problem with selling tickets.....look at what the mobile midget did. 218352[/snapback] No I wouldn't but thanks for speaking for me. We don't have a big problem selling tickets now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted January 25, 2005 Author Share Posted January 25, 2005 The "analysis" is all around you. He isn't accurate, he can't call plays on his own, and all he seems to be able to do is run with the ball. He should have been a running back. 218354[/snapback] And your mother should have had an abortion. Shoulda, coulda, woulda.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doza Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 And your mother should have had an abortion. Shoulda, coulda, woulda.... 218359[/snapback] So much for having any standards on this board. Mods? This is a tad out of line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted January 25, 2005 Author Share Posted January 25, 2005 No I wouldn't but thanks for speaking for me. We don't have a big problem selling tickets now. 218358[/snapback] Yeah, like all those yellow pee rags in the stadium in the last game?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted January 25, 2005 Author Share Posted January 25, 2005 So much for having any standards on this board. Mods? This is a tad out of line. 218361[/snapback] Then don't post crybaby.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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