gantrules Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 They also went from last in the NFL in total defense to the top 10, which I'm sure has nothing to do with their record and everything to do with Michael Vick. Of course, Mora is known for defense. 176114[/snapback] this wouldn't have anything to do with the offense being able to sustain a drive this year whereas last year the D was on the field practically the enitre game because either Doug Johnson or Kurt Kittner were throwing INT's or going 3 and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 this wouldn't have anything to do with the offense being able to sustain a drive this year whereas last year the D was on the field practically the enitre game because either Doug Johnson or Kurt Kittner were throwing INT's or going 3 and out. 176205[/snapback] I'm sure that plays a part in it, as does the improvement on the offensive line, and the weakness of their competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alg Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I'm sure that plays a part in it, as does the improvement on the offensive line, and the weakness of their competition. 176226[/snapback] You left off the part about how much the NFC sucks this year. Vick sells tickets and other stuff, but if the Bills just dished out $100m for him I would be crying in my beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taterhill Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I'm sure that factors into it. I was strictly looking at it from the football side, where he is extremely overrated at this point in his career. 176016[/snapback] overhyped, not over-rated IMO...kid makes plays..he has the occasional clunker, but these days, all QB's, besides PM, do...ask the Pack about Favre last week, or the Pats about Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I'm sure that factors into it. I was strictly looking at it from the football side, where he is extremely overrated at this point in his career. 176016[/snapback] At 24, it is easy to overrate a player, but he has more talent than I have ever seen in football. I know that raw talent alone is not enough to win football games, or RJ would be a hall of fame qb, but this guy is just amazing in terms of what he can do. I think it is a good deal both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAL Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 Vick reminds me of Randall Cunningham. Good, but will never win a superbowl. 175896[/snapback] You mean like Jim Kelly and Dan Marino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Toboggan M.D Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I may be alone on this, but it pisses me off to watch mike vick play football. I noticed that his ESPN highlights dont consist of throws, they consist of his scrambles. Until he becomes a consistent pocket passer, theres no way i would enjoy watching him play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 At 24, it is easy to overrate a player, but he has more talent than I have ever seen in football. I know that raw talent alone is not enough to win football games, or RJ would be a hall of fame qb, but this guy is just amazing in terms of what he can do. I think it is a good deal both ways. 176708[/snapback] I'm not arguing that he's not an amazing athlete. He's certainly that. I just don't think he's a very good quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I'm not arguing that he's not an amazing athlete. He's certainly that. I just don't think he's a very good quarterback. 176777[/snapback] AD, I do see your point, but I just think he has SO much talent, that he, with a little experience, will be almost impossible to stop. Btw, I fully expect to see him in the superbowl this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 AD, I do see your point, but I just think he has SO much talent, that he, with a little experience, will be almost impossible to stop. Btw, I fully expect to see him in the superbowl this season. 176795[/snapback] Losing by 4 TDs. You left that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 My sense of Micheal Vick is that if he stays healthy to me he is clearly one of the best WBs in the league and thus is paid the salary of one of the best QBs in the league in our capitalistic society. Pay and contribution to winning are far from directly equivalent in this league as QBs are drastically overpaid because of how they are promoted and because this enetertainment vehicle is about creating heros as much as it is about winning (unfortunately from my perspective) Further this salary is kicked up in our market economy because he is one of the most exciting players to watch play the game (From my standpoint fuggdabout those who want a pocket passer, the TD he scored on a 4th and goal from the 12 was an insane play which few if any other QBs in the league could pull off). If you think Vick is overpaid as a player I think that you need to complain not about Vick's play but about out capitalistic system. As far as winning which is what is most important in my mind, i would not pay this amount to Vick because as a guy who runs a lot he is far too likely to be injured. Further, like Peyton Manning, i think ultimately his salary is going to weigh down the team's cap to such an extent they will not be able to buy the balanced team they need to build a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 They certainly add up. 175921[/snapback] Just ask #11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 Atlanta = DEAD! The clown is not worth that amount of jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 Atlanta = DEAD! The clown is not worth that amount of jack. 177056[/snapback] Yeah Dead somehow translates into 11-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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