Help me to understand

[BillsFanInLV]

fans love the underdog - stevie was a 7th round pick.

 

hardy is considered a "thug" by some ( after incidents like this with his dad) and has yet to live up to the high expectations that come with a 2nd rd pick.

 

lots of 7th rd picks don't make the team that drafts them. johnson has had quality preseasons and the little impact he has had on the field during the regular season exceeds whatever expectations fans had when he was drafted.

 

Well said.

 

We 'expect' the second round pick to be a success....and relatively quickly. If 7th round WR's can produce to the same level of a second rounder, then we were wrong for picking Hardy where we did.

[commish95]

WHen is everyone going to learn its not all about the stats. Hardy was the #2 reciever and looked like crap. Doesnt show much heart or eagerness to play. On the other hand Johnson shows he wants to play and unlike the former #2 reciever I believe if Johnson is given the chance he will prove to be our best receiever.

 

 

Heart.........are you kidding me.....you are going no heart on us. Hardy has done nothing but train all off season. If he had no heart he would be making rap songs and tweeting all off season. Have you seen an interview. Wow. Just wow. No heart. You know this How?

[mob16151]

No it isn't. Thats what you don't get.

 

2 million in guaranteed money + salary is alot of money.

 

500 yards a year is a realistic minimum expectation to set for 1 st year high 2nd round draft pick.

 

The first 50 draft Picks, which hardy was Pick #41, should be expected to come in and earn PT right away, they are also paid as if they will play right away.

 

Right now the Bills are getting much more value from SJ's contract than Hardy's.

 

Its simply about expectations.

 

I'm sure SJ wouldn't mind getting paid 2 mil to put up the same numbers as Hardy.

 

C'mon man, Calvin Johnson didn't have a 1000 receiving yards last season.

[1B4IDie]

C'mon man, Calvin Johnson didn't have a 1000 receiving yards last season.

Mobi you're either just acting stupid now or you are stupid.

Either way you can't be helped.

 

 

Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD

2007 Detroit 15 48 756 50.4 15.8 49 3.6 38 4

2008 Detroit 16 78 1331 83.2 17.1 96 6.6 52 12

2009 Detroit 14 67 984 70.3 14.7 75 4.8 46 5

 

 

Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD

2008 Buffalo 14 9 87 6.2 9.7 17 2.2 5 2

2009 Buffalo 2 1 9 4.5 9.0 9 2.0 0

[mob16151]

Mobi you're either just acting stupid now or you are stupid.

Either way you can't be helped.

 

 

Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD

2007 Detroit 15 48 756 50.4 15.8 49 3.6 38 4

2008 Detroit 16 78 1331 83.2 17.1 96 6.6 52 12

2009 Detroit 14 67 984 70.3 14.7 75 4.8 46 5

 

 

Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD

2008 Buffalo 14 9 87 6.2 9.7 17 2.2 5 2

2009 Buffalo 2 1 9 4.5 9.0 9 2.0 0

I don't think so. You said he was a second round pick, so he should have 1000 yard seasons. Theirs 64 starting NFL WR's I believe 22 to 30 of them had 1000 yard receiving seasons. So basically a 1/2 to 2/3'rds of NFl WR's didn't have 1000 yard receiving seasons. SO calling someone a bust because they haven't produced a 1000 yard receiving season in there first 2 seasons is stupid.

 

Just for fun Eric Moulds first 2 seasons in the league

 

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G

1996 23 BUF wr 80 16 5 20 279 14.0 2 47 1.3 17.4

1997 24 BUF WR 80 16 8 29 294 10.1 0 32 1.8 18.4

 

So he'd have been written off by you as well after 2 seasons? He was a 1st rounder after all.

[The_Philster]

Just for fun Eric Moulds first 2 seasons in the league

 

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G

1996 23 BUF wr 80 16 5 20 279 14.0 2 47 1.3 17.4

1997 24 BUF WR 80 16 8 29 294 10.1 0 32 1.8 18.4

 

So he'd have been written off by you as well after 2 seasons? He was a 1st rounder after all.

A lot of people were writing Moulds off after 2 seasons, too...he made them look like idiots..maybe Hardy will do the same thing...everyone who knows anything about the NFL knows that most NFL players don't blossom right away...they usually take 2-3 seasons

[The_Philster]

C'mon man, Calvin Johnson didn't have a 1000 receiving yards last season.

 

 

Mobi you're either just acting stupid now or you are stupid.

Either way you can't be helped.

 

 

Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD

2007 Detroit 15 48 756 50.4 15.8 49 3.6 38 4

2008 Detroit 16 78 1331 83.2 17.1 96 6.6 52 12

2009 Detroit 14 67 984 70.3 14.7 75 4.8 46 5

 

 

Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD

2008 Buffalo 14 9 87 6.2 9.7 17 2.2 5 2

2009 Buffalo 2 1 9 4.5 9.0 9 2.0 0

I know it's only 16 yards difference, but how smart is it to quote someone, call them stupid, and then prove them right?

[Albany,n.y.]

I think the reason is what some fans view as opportunity cost. Denver picked Eddie Royal with the next pick after the Bills took Hardy & Philadelphia took DeSean Jackson later in that round. Both players are a lot higher profile than Hardy at this point in their careers.

Now the irony is that it looks like the Bills blew it in the 7th round as well. A few picks after the Bills picked Johnson, the Oakland Raiders picked Chaz Schilens, who outside of a preseason injury that caused him to miss the 1st half of the 2010 season, has been starting for the Raiders since the middle of his rookie year and has totally outplayed Johnson. By the way, he's 6-4 & has totally outplayed Hardy too.

[Orton's Arm]

Johnson has done well with the opportunities he's had. Both in the preseason (where he's shined) and in the regular season (where, in what little time he had, he looked like a reliable WR).

 

Jauron didn't let Fred Jackson on the field during the regular season until after Anthony Thomas got hurt. This, even though Fred Jackson had looked very good during the preseason. There's at least the chance that this story could happen again: with Steve Johnson playing the role of Fred Jackson, and guys like Josh Reed and Roscoe Parrish in the role of Anthony Thomas.

 

Conversely, Hardy looks a lot less far along in his development process than Steve Johnson. This isn't about stats as much as it is about route running, body control, shielding the ball from defenders, and all the other things a WR must do well if he is to be successful. Possibly Hardy will significantly improve on those areas, and go on to be a good WR. But at this point in the two players' careers, Steve Johnson is much closer to being a good WR than Hardy is.

[1B4IDie]

I don't think so. You said he was a second round pick, so he should have 1000 yard seasons. Theirs 64 starting NFL WR's I believe 22 to 30 of them had 1000 yard receiving seasons. So basically a 1/2 to 2/3'rds of NFl WR's didn't have 1000 yard receiving seasons. SO calling someone a bust because they haven't produced a 1000 yard receiving season in there first 2 seasons is stupid.

 

Just for fun Eric Moulds first 2 seasons in the league

 

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G

1996 23 BUF wr 80 16 5 20 279 14.0 2 47 1.3 17.4

1997 24 BUF WR 80 16 8 29 294 10.1 0 32 1.8 18.4

 

So he'd have been written off by you as well after 2 seasons? He was a 1st rounder after all.

 

I never called him a bust. Not once.

I simply said the expectations are he is on the more productive 1/2 of the WRs;

And that's why peole arent happy with Hardy.

It is a real simple concept. Why Are you struggling with this?

[1B4IDie]

I know it's only 16 yards difference, but how smart is it to quote someone, call them stupid, and then prove them right?

If you work on your reading comprehension you'll see I never disputed Calvin Johnson's 1000 yard status.

My point without having to outright state it is that it is pointless to compare 2 players that have such vastly different careers.

Not to mention I never called him stupid. I said he is either acting stupid or is stupid; looks like you made a decision on your own.

[mob16151]

If you work on your reading comprehension you'll see I never disputed Calvin Johnson's 1000 yard status.

My point without having to outright state it is that it is pointless to compare 2 players that have such vastly different careers.

Not to mention I never called him stupid. I said he is either acting stupid or is stupid; looks like you made a decision on your own.

 

:wallbash:

[KD in CA]

Hardy is a 2nd round pick who didn't immediately turn into a Pro Bowl WR. He hurts his knee so he's injury prone too. I can't believe that you don't get it. I mean, helllloooo McFly.

 

 

That about sums it up.

[shoretalk]

It's all about perception and preseason play plus loving the underdog.

 

Johnson has showed us a lot when the games didn't matter but then Coach Dick didn't give him a real shot when the games counted. Hardy just hasn't been healthy enough to be fairly evaluated ... a great catch in one game and not much more.

 

This is the year both have a shot ... so by the end of September we will know if either of these guys is going to do anything in the NFL!