MartyBall4Buffalo Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 In regards to the short arms argument, I don't have actual numbers, but I think I might remember reading somewhere that Michael Roos and Ryan Clady both have short arms. Clady does not have short arms in the least. Measured at over 36 inches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 ever see a T-Rex???? Short arms? Hadn't heard that one. How freakin' short can your arms be when you are 6' freakin 6"??!?!?!?!? *sheesh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Motivation was more just to give what Casserly was thinking. There were two surprises for me. The first was that this class was comparable to last year's very strong LT class. This did not seem consistent with what I was seeing in a few posts here that the class was kind of weak.The second was the statement about being so well-coached at Iowa about Baluga and perhaps that he was as good as he was going to get. I thought that was wierd at first and then played around with the thought and figured it might be a legitimate observation. I have a very good friend who runs one of the best Div. III wrestling programs in the country. Has been a national champ on a number of occassions and by now has nearly 60 all americans. He looks to recruit the guy from a small school who gave the hotly recruited star a great match and looks to what coaching he received in his high school in evaluating how good he could be. Has had tremendous success over the years picking guys who have a tremendous upside. I like Baluga, and from what I see would be happy to have him or Davis. I assumed it was a given that Okung would be the number 2 or 3 pick, but apparently he might even be in the mix with Williams. We kind of went through this last year. The supposed knock on Brian Orakpo was that he was maxed out. Then we picked Maybin who had more upside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 ever see a T-Rex???? T-Rex= most overrated dinosaur. Yeah, I said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 We kind of went through this last year. The supposed knock on Brian Orakpo was that he was maxed out. Then we picked Maybin who had more upside And thankfully, NFL careers aren't judge after one season or else Rick Mirer would have had a better career than Drew Bledsoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Two things, The poster is DEAD ON. I saw the same report this morning. Second, Who gives a **** about 'cold weather'? Either you are tough enough to adapt or you aren't. Iowa guys are pretty much maxed out coming out of college. Two things If he already plays in cold weather and does it well doesn't that prove that he is ALREADY tough enough to play in Buffalo? This isn't rocket science. If he is already aclimated that is a plus for him vs an unkown who may never adapt. Please do your home work. I see that crap statement all the time....players from school XYZ suck, are maxed out, don't make good NFL prospects, etc. Don't be lazy. Do your homework. Judge prospects on their individual talents. Don't take the easy way out and just make snap judgments based on the school they went to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Geez...read my posts over the last month. I think I'm probably the strongest poster on the board for a Tackle choice. I've pointed out that under no circumstances would I pick either of the top two quarterbacks at nine. I won't bother to go back and read them all but totally my bad. I made an incorrect assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Oooohhh, hidden agendas on internet message boards? Gots to be more careful or my thinking might be influenced by these tricksters Sadly I think some people are. Consider yourself part of the lucky few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 QUOTE (PDaDdy @ Feb 17 2010, 10:24 AM) * Short arms? Hadn't heard that one. How freakin' short can your arms be when you are 6' freakin 6"??!?!?!?!? *sheesh* ever see a T-Rex???? LOL. Good one. If we were considering drafting an extinct reptile I would be worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 And thankfully, NFL careers aren't judge after one season or else Rick Mirer would have had a better career than Drew Bledsoe. I don't remember Rick Mirer setting the world on fire any year but double digit sacks for a rookie DE/LB vs our guy who never started a game....really no comparison what so ever. Hey, I hope Maybin gets on the field and sets the world on fire but so far it looks like we TOTALLY screwed that choice up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Two things If he already plays in cold weather and does it well doesn't that prove that he is ALREADY tough enough to play in Buffalo? This isn't rocket science. If he is already aclimated that is a plus for him vs an unkown who may never adapt. Please do your home work. I see that crap statement all the time....players from school XYZ suck, are maxed out, don't make good NFL prospects, etc. Don't be lazy. Do your homework. Judge prospects on their individual talents. Don't take the easy way out and just make snap judgments based on the school they went to. I agree with your general point about judging players individually but you do need to look at the system and how past players did at the next level. Florida QBs that played for Spurrier sucked in the NFL. Texas Tech QBs have sucked at the next level. Brady Quinn had very good #s in his one year under Weis and so far (not totally his fault) has sucked in the pros. IMO, it should definitely be part of evaluating any Notre Dame QB. Weis is very good with QBs. I don't like either guy really as a franchise guy. I'd lean more towards Clausen but I wouldn't exactly be thrilled with him at #9 either. I'd like Lefevour in hopefully the 3rd or find a QB another way (FA, trade, or wait til next year's draft). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I know remember Rick Mirer setting the world on fire but double digit sacks for a rookie DE/LB vs our guy who never started a game....really no comparison what so ever. Hey, I hope Maybin gets on the field and sets the world on fire but so far it looks like we TOTALLY screwed that choice up. Yeah, the main point was it is silly to judge players after one season. BO had a good season and AM did nothing. The Redskins still sucked and Maybin was the 2nd youngest player in the league last year. I don't know if he will amount to anything but I'll give the man more than one season to show what he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I agree with your general point about judging players individually but you do need to look at the system and how past players did at the next level. Florida QBs that played for Spurrier sucked in the NFL. Texas Tech QBs have sucked at the next level. Brady Quinn had very good #s in his one year under Weis and so far (not totally his fault) has sucked in the pros. IMO, it should definitely be part of evaluating any Notre Dame QB. Weis is very good with QBs. I don't like either guy really as a franchise guy. I'd lean more towards Clausen but I wouldn't exactly be thrilled with him at #9 either. I'd like Lefevour in hopefully the 3rd or find a QB another way (FA, trade, or wait til next year's draft). You bring up a good point. You should definitely look at the system a guy played in, the talent he was surrounded by and the level of competition that he played against. That being said I just think it is a cop out to use the school name. Coaches changes, supporting cast talent changes and level of competition changes. Those need to be evaluated on a year to year basis not just the old...."this guy came from school XYZ so he will suck". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Yeah, the main point was it is silly to judge players after one season. BO had a good season and AM did nothing. The Redskins still sucked and Maybin was the 2nd youngest player in the league last year. I don't know if he will amount to anything but I'll give the man more than one season to show what he has. We have no choice but to give him more than one season. I hear ya. My point basically was that at first blush it appears that we made not just a bad choice but an INCREDIBLY bad choice. If Orakpo doesn't get any better and just does what he did his rookie year for the rest of his career he will be a sure fire hall of famer and be considered one of the best ever at his position. That being said I hope and expect Maybin will become a contributor this year. I even have his rookie jersey. I also speculated early last season that perhaps we got Maybin in the draft with full expectation that we would be moving to a 3-4 in 2010. Brilliant insight or lucky guess? It doesn't matter. We will get our best chance to see what it is that Maybin can offer the Bills this year. I hope the kid becomes a star! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 You bring up a good point. You should definitely look at the system a guy played in, the talent he was surrounded by and the level of competition that he played against. That being said I just think it is a cop out to use the school name. Coaches changes, supporting cast talent changes and level of competition changes. Those need to be evaluated on a year to year basis not just the old...."this guy came from school XYZ so he will suck". Agreed, though I think this matters more to QBs than other positions. Can't prove it but I believe Orakpo dropped in the draft because Texas players have been big busts at the NFL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Agreed, though I think this matters more to QBs than other positions. Can't prove it but I believe Orakpo dropped in the draft because Texas players have been big busts at the NFL level. You could be right. It was almost unfathomable to me how we chose Maybin the 3/4 year wonder over O-sack-po. If he dropped in the draft due to people making snap judgments based on what school he came from this is EXACTLY the danger that we face dismissing Bulaga because he is from Iowa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 You could be right. It was almost unfathomable to me how we chose Maybin the 3/4 year wonder over O-sack-po. If he dropped in the draft due to people making snap judgments based on what school he came from this is EXACTLY the danger that we face dismissing Bulaga because he is from Iowa. True, but Texas players have be out right busts. I also think Gholston (muscle bound guy who relied mainly on physical abilites) hurt BO as well. Robery Galley hasn't been the player Oakland thought but 1) it's Oakland and 2) he still is a solid NFL olinemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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