PastaJoe
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What if Bush shot Cheney to death live on tv, would he be arrested by the police? Or would there have to be an impeachment proceeding?
I think Cheney would be charged with a crime and arrested by the Secret Service. He would probably be impeached as Vice President, as he would never be sworn in as president, and the Speaker of the House would be sworn in as president.
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Do you consider Mc Cain as the more moderate candidate for the GOP?
And what if at the end the americans have to choose between the all N York: Clinton -RudyG-Bloomberg trio?!!...
Do you think a third party candidate has a chance this time?
McCain has moved to the right since 2000, and is now aligned with Bush's foreign policy, which is a reason why his poll numbers went down. There isn't really a true "moderate" running for the GOP, but based on his previous socal positions on abortion, gay rights, and gun control, RudyG is the closest. Whether he would actually do anything on those issues remains to be seen.
I don't think a 3rd party candidate has a chance, the 2 major parties have too much control and influence over the process. In a 3 way race I think Bloomberg and RudyG would hurt each other and help Clinton.
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...too bad it's for the WNBA. I suppose you could use it as practice for your NFL draft routine. Some of the "ladies" look like they could make the practice squad.
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If it was against the Constitution for members of Congress to speak to foreign leaders, then they could be charged with treason. It isn't, they're not, and that's the end of the story. You can not like Congress making Bush look like a petulant child who's kicking and screaming about not getting his way, but it's legal and in my opinion long overdue that someone in Washington try to bring about diplomatic and political solutions, not just military as Bush continues to try.
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Dick Cheney and OCinPhilly must be disappointed that they're losing this opportunity to advocate military action against Iran. Negotiating a peaceful settlement is such an impediment to the neo-con agenda.
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The Executive Branch carries on affairs of State, not the Legislative Branch.
That would be the case if we had a competent administration, but since we don't someone has to be the adult and not just talk to the people we like. Nixon talked to North Vietnam and China, Carter talked to Egypt, and Reagan talked to the Soviet Union, but Bush and Rice can't talk to Syria or Iran. Even the Israeli PM wants to have regional talks including Syria and Iran, and Bush is opposing it.
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Are you more inclined to believe the Brits or Iran regarding the location of the ship?
If I had to choose it would be the Brits, but it doesn't matter what we think. The people this is intended for, Iranians and the Middle Easterners, will believe Iran. Of course after all the misinformation we've been given in the past few years, it's hard to believe anyone anymore.
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What do you think their goal is?
Other than showing their citizens and the Middle East that they're willing to stand up to the West, in the short term it's helping them make a nice profit on the oil market. The price of oil has gone up $5 since this started. Imagine how much it would go up if there was a shooting conflict and the Strait of Hormuz (sp?) was closed to shipping.
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Please read before you post.
The ship was an Indian cargo ship going to Iraq. The British normally board commercial ships, looking for smuggling. They found nothing and everything was fine. The Indian ship was at least 2 nautical miles inside Iraqi waters. The Brits were headed back to their ship (Even farther inside Iraqi waters). The Iranians cme into Iraqi waters to kidnap the Brits.
What is your obsession with the View?
I heard about Rosie's insane rants on Opie and Anthony's show of all places.
My bad, the report I heard yesterday said it was an Iranian ship. But the Iranians still dispute where the ship was. Of course both sides will say they were in the right. It's not hard to manufacture pictures or documents to support their statements.
Opie and Anthony? That might be worse than watching The View!
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Pass the popcorn.
Ask Wacka for the popcorn, The View is over so he doesn't need it anymore.
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So pastajoe you agree that it is acceptable for the Iranians to take hostages at thier pleasure?
I take it then that you also agree that the Iranian leaders saw the oppertunity to bully the weak UK and they took advantage of that as well.
Whats next, explode a nuke over Isreal and ask the rest of the world just accept it?
Just curious.
I wouldn't raise taking detainees in a border dispute to the level of a nuke strike on Israel, they're not even close. It happened before in 2004 and it was resolved without military action, as will this one. I blame the British for this one, how stupid is it to send a group of marines to board an Iranian vessel without sufficient backup support in contested waters where tensions are high. Did they think the Iranians would just sit back and be pushed around? This is just what the Iranian leaders were hoping to happen for their domestic consumption and the Middle East to show that the West is threatening Iran's borders. I doubt the U.S. military would make a similar blunder.
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The democrats know that they have to do nothing more then continue to demonize the war on terror and keep all of the attention there.
They're all for fighting the war on terrorism, what they're trying to bring to an end is the Iraq Occupation; two different issues.
What I find most disturbing is that somewhere in a cave buried deep in the mountains of Pakistan, OBL is laughing his ass off at what is transpiring. Could this possibly have turned out any better for them?Yeah, 5 years later since Bush said he'd get OBL dead or alive, go figure. If only the Democrats hadn't prevented him from invading Afganistan and capturing him. Oh wait, they did allow it. How did that turn out?
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And that's why I'm glad it wasn't Americans, because it would be just the excuse the neo-cons in this country would use to start a war with Iran. Having 2 carriers in the area is bad enough because it only increases the chance of a confrontation.
Did you consider the fact that the British aren't in a position to take military action in Iran, and perhaps they want to get the detainees out alive? I expect they will be released in the next couple of weeks. It may require the U.S. giving back the Iranians that were taken from their consulate, but it is preferable to a military exchange and bombs going off in England.
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Not sure if Pelosi liked Bush's joke on her.
The guys from "Whats my line" were hilarious.
What was the joke, I didn't hear it. I only saw the Rove clip. And the way things are going I think Pelosi is going to have the last laugh, so to speak.
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Joey...try as you might, youve LOST the argument.
Regaldless of who was taken or why, the fact is that the Iranians taken were not stripped of their dignity and diplayed on TV for all to see while the US played a game of "truth or dare" with the Iranians.
The Iranians are more or less acting like cheap terrorist thugs (no surprising).
It's not an argument, it's about stating facts. You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own set of facts. And how do you know that the Iranians aren't being stripped of their dignity? Nobody knew what happened at Abu Garab either. Stick to facts, even if they don't support your opinions.
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I'm soooo confused. Which one is it?
QUOTE(PastaJoe @ Mar 29 2007, 03:24 PM)
A majority of Americans and Democrats don't want to just leave right now, they are mature enough to realize that it has to be a phased redeployment and want to put more resources towards training Iraqis, border control, and chasing al Queda in Al Anbar. So the Congress is already doing what the majority of Americans and Democrats want.
QUOTE(PastaJoe @ Mar 29 2007, 02:24 PM)
And your inability to be unable to recognize a groundswell of anti-war sentiment among most in the country shouldn't come as a shocker to anyone here as well.
Now you attributing quotes to me I didn't make? Where did that 2nd one come from, I never wrote that. I structure my sentences better than that.
Most people refer to it as the Iraq War, but in fact the war ended years ago, and the proper designation should be the Iraq Occupation. "Mission Accomplished" gave the mistaken message that the need for the large number of troops was over, and that we could bring the majority of troops home. That is what most people interpreted it to mean, and what the administration mistakenly thought was true.
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So, which one is it, an emergency domestic bill or Iraq funding bill? If there's such an overwhelming tide against the Iraq war, stop the funding, right now. Your party is in the majority. Let them exercise their Constitutional mandate. Send the message that the US and their constituents need to hear.
It's an emergency spending bill, where does it say it has to be for one specific issue? The Iraq war ended when we toppled Saddam, this is now playing policeman to sectarian violence, with some actions against al Queda that came into the Al Anbar region after we invaded. A majority of Americans and Democrats don't want to just leave right now, they are mature enough to realize that it has to be a phased redeployment and want to put more resources towards training Iraqis, border control, and chasing al Queda in Al Anbar. So the Congress is already doing what the majority of Americans and Democrats want.
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Actuall Joe, one of the last few Iraqi war funding budgets HAD Katrina money attached to it.
So why was it OK with Republicans then but isn't now?
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You mean like the one where they were taken from an Iranian Consulate?
From the BBC News:
US forces have stormed a building in the northern Iraqi town of Irbil and seized six people said to be Iranians, prompting a diplomatic incident. Iranian and Iraqi officials said the building was an Iranian consulate and the detainees its employees.
Irbil lies in Iraq's Kurdish-controlled north, about 350km (220 miles) from the capital Baghdad. Reports say the Iranian consulate there was set up last year under an agreement with the Kurdish regional government to facilitate cross-border visits.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6251167.stm
Of course the U.S. said it wasn't a consulate, so I guess we don't care what Iraqi officials say about consulates in their own country.
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It's not quite true that the House bill wouldn't have passed without the domestic emergency spending. There were at least 8 Democrats, possibly more, such as Maxine Waters who voted against it because they wanted to go farther and have a quicker timeline to stop combat operations. If it came down to them, they would probably vote for the appropriation. And where does it say an emergency spending bill has to focus on one emergency? The lack of funding for drought, flood, and Katrina relief that was promised by the Republicans but never appropriated is an emergency for those people waiting for that relief. And how many who oppose it would switch their vote if it was taken out? I doubt any would, it's just a red herring.
What I want to know is why after 5 years do the military still have to get emergency spending in such amounts? You can't believe the military and White House can't anticipate the need for additional hundreds of billions. By now it should be part of the regular budget, and hopefully will be after this one. Of course the answer is Bush and the Republicans want to keep using our credit card and not have to face paying the bill by giving up tax cuts or offering real offsetting budget cuts.
Bush will have quite a legacy of vetoes; denying funding for stem cell research and denying funding for the troops.
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But Rove can bust a move. Did you see the video of him rapping and dancing at the correspondent's dinner last night? Bush likes homeys that can entertain him.
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So !@#$ing what? Stick to relevancies.
Well, then, that would be kidnapping, wouldn't it?
Stick to facts if you're going to make affirmative statements.
Yes, that taking of the Iranians would be kidnapping. If the British were in Iranian waters then they would be detainees like illegal Mexicans in the U.S., not kidnapped, which was my original point. Words count in how actions are perceived by the public.
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Other than avoiding extremists like Rush, Rosie, and Coulter, I try to read as many varied views as possible so I can see what all sides of a debate are saying, and see who provides the best case for or against an issue. Usually you'll only get one side of the story from any one columnist.
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Your hero Rosie disputes it, too.
Are you bringing the popcorn over to Wacka's today to watch The View?
Pelosi in Syria
in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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Who said she was negotiating? She was just forwarding the views of some in the U.S. on issues related to Syria, which isn't against the interests of the U.S.. By the way, there was a representative from the State dept. with her delegation.