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PastaJoe

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  1. You'll have to ask an Obama supporter, they're the ones who don't use actual votes to determine the winner, but look at exit polls for perceived intent to determine how many votes someone should be given, ala Michigan.
  2. WTF? How do you unofficially change the rule? What rule? You're really reaching now. You said it, it's part of the rules, she isn't trying to change that rule. But usually these people are strong supporters, and therefore she should concentrate on superdelegates first.
  3. She hasn't tried to change that rule; votes determined how many pledged delegates the candidates got (except for Michigan, where exit polls count more than votes, and caucuses). But there's no debate that delegates are what count at the convention. Until they vote at the convention, superdelegates choose the criteria they want to decide how to vote. It could be popular votes, or it could be whose stronger in swing states, or who sends them a Christmas card. It's up to them. And it's up to the candidates to convince the superdelegates. No rule change there. Try again.
  4. Please state specifically what rule she is trying to change. She's not asking that the person who gets the required number of delegates to vote for them at the convention not be given the nomination. She's just trying to get the superdelegates, who are not bound by any criteria to decide who to support, to vote for her, which is within the rules, so she can reach the required number when they vote at the convention and decide who the nominee will be.
  5. Even if you include the caucuses, more people have voted for Hillary than Obama; 17,873,000 to 17,703,000. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/02/dem...race/index.html Fuzzy math is assuming all the people who voted uncommitted were voting for Obama. You can say they didn't vote for Clinton, but you can't say who they did vote for.
  6. What excuse, I replied to a statement that I agreed her campaign made mistakes early on. That's a fact, not an excuse. I'd hate to have you as a player on my team with your losing attitude. "Coach, we're losing by a few points in the 4th quarter. I know more fans are for us than the other team, but why don't we just give up and go get a Happy Meal."
  7. That's not obnoxious, that's angry. Angry at a party that disregards the popular vote and disrespects the candidate. Obnoxious is telling someone who is still in contention to quit prematurely because they're not their preferred choice.
  8. There's no other reasonable explaination of why Obama took his name out of Michigan other than fear of a bad showing that would have minimized him, and pandering to Iowa and NH. Hillary did sign the same agreement (not to campaign). Again, it's a fact that removing their name was not part of the agreement. That was an individual decision. No doubt the campaign has made some strategic mistakes; not organizing in states that will go Republican in November and missing the chance to get the delegate votes to match her lead in popular votes to make the choice clearer for superdelegates were mistakes. But they righted the ship in the past three months, and clearly her message and candidacy is the preferred in the swing states a Democrat needs to win. She has had the momentum while his campaign has been losing altitude like a week old party balloon. Superdelegates need to recognize that if they want to vote with their heads.
  9. I can't vote for McCain because I disagree with his proposed policies. The question is whether I will vote for Obama if he's the nominee. Sometimes I think I'd vote for him, but then I get turned off due to his obnoxious supporters. Maybe it's time to look at a 3rd party candidate, or a write-in vote for Clinton.
  10. Point of fact, there was no rule or agreement that said a candidate had to remove their name from the ballot. That was the candidate's own decisions; Obama knew he was going to lose and saw it as a way to invalidate the vote totals, and was pandering to the Iowa and New Hampshire voters who want to maintain their starter status. He didn't give Hillary anything, because he didn't have any votes in Michigan, and therefore no delegates. They were either votes for Hillary or for Uncommitted, and that's how they should have been apportioned to go to the convention. Then if they wanted to vote for Obama at the convention, they could. She was entitled to 4 more delegates based on the vote than what she got, and those went to Obama along with 55 others. If pledged delegates are just going to be given to the party's favorite son without regard to the popular vote, then why bother voting in primaries anymore?
  11. That's not me, I don't wear that shade of lipstick.
  12. I agree that in the end whoever gets the total required delegates to vote for them at the convention will be the nominee. But since neither will reach that number from pledged delegates, the superdelegates will be the deciders, and when it comes to tiebreakers the total popular vote and wins in key electoral college states trumps total number of states.
  13. Before Saturday, nay-sayers said FL and MI didn't count because the DNC didn't count them. Now that they have been counted, those popular votes are as valid as any other state. The fact remains that she has more popular votes than Obama. That's much more valid than awarding 55 Uncommitted delegates to Obama based on unreliable exit polls, and in fact taking away 4 delegates that should have gone to Clinton. If Obama wants to end the race, he should offer the VP position to Clinton. Otherwise I support her decision to keep working to convince superdelegates to back her until she decides otherwise.
  14. They're renaming their French crullers to be Freedom crullers, to be served with a cup of Liberty latte.
  15. I agree, having to follow Dick Cheney's orders under pressure of getting a face full of buckshot, and then trying to sell his baloney to the public has to be very stressful.
  16. With another blowout win over Obama, this time in Puerto Rico, Hillary is assured of winning the popular vote total. The seating of all the delegates from Florida and Michigan means that those vote totals are now recognized as official. More people have voted for Hillary than any other person in the history of primaries. The last time the Democrats selected a nominee who didn't win the popular vote was 1972 when they picked McGovern, who was crushed in the general election by Nixon. Now it's time for the superdelegates to do the smart thing and not the easy thing, and follow the will of the majority of voters and support Hillary. Those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhzAUJB7NDQ
  17. With all the delegates from Florida and Michigan being seated with half votes instead of half the delegates being seated, the argument that their total popular votes didn't count is gone, and therefore at the end of the primaries Hillary will have the most popular votes, while neither will have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination. Until the superdelegates vote at the convention, neither will be the nominee. The Hillary supporters who were upset that Uncommitted delegates were given to Obama based on arbitrary unofficial exit polls had it right; Denver, Denver!
  18. After getting to watch the whole video of the latest pastor disaster at Obama's Trinity United church and not just a short clip and the transcript, what is even more disturbing than the ravings of the pastor is the reaction of the people in the church. These people are lunatics the way they jump up and applaud racist comments. How can Obama continue to associate himself with such nutjobs? Imagine the outrage if someone in a white church mocked a black man and said he was upset that he lost because he's black and thought he was entitled to affirmative action, but had it taken away by a white woman, and the congregation jumped up and applauded. Where are the other black pastors who should speak up and say that that church is not representative of what goes on in other black churches (at least I hope not). If Obama forged his beliefs with the nuts in that church, it really calls into question his judgement and what he truely believes. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but the evidence says otherwise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y
  19. He is a strong supporter of Louis Farrakhan and has been described as a "spiritual adviser" to Obama. He also publicly threatened the life of a Chicago businessman and, according to one report, "is known for climbing ladders to deface liquor billboards." In his Trinity United oration, Pfleger asserted that white people have a moral obligation to surrender their assets, which, he suggested, properly belong to blacks. Perhaps if the media had done their job and properly vetted Obama and his connections before the election got this far, we would have learned about these shady characters before people voted and might have had a different outcome.
  20. Easy Money with Rodney Dangerfield and Joe Pesci Summer Rental with John Candy It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
  21. You can be dismissive, but this "white bashing" that comes from his church is going to haunt him in the general election, especially with the white voters he couldn't win in the primaries. If he loses the white working class vote in November, he only has himself and his wife to blame, partially due to the company they keep.
  22. He's not responsible for what people say in his church, but he and his wife are responsible for continuing to support a church that now has a pattern of preachers giving racist sermons.
  23. The next day the man went to McCain's office, where he was offered a part-time job with no benefits. Unfortunately it would cost the man more money for transportation, food, healthcare, and clothing if he took the job than he would make from the job. The full time jobs with benefits that had a living wage were shipped overseas by companies who were rewarded with big tax cuts by McCain's party. And McCain didn't even miss the $6 that came out of his pocket because his wife had about $6 million more to take care of him.
  24. A video making the rounds on YouTube shows Obama spiritual advisor the Rev. Michael Pfleger in Obama's Trinity United Church last weeked mocking Hillary Clinton for becoming teary-eyed before the New Hampshire primary in January. In the video, Pfleger, a strong supporter of Louis Farrakhan, wipes his eyes with a handkerchief and suggests Clinton wept because she thought that as a white person and the wife of a former president, she was entitled to the presidency. "When Hillary was crying [gesturing tears, uproarious laughter from audience]--and people said that was put-on--I really don't believe it was put-on. I really believe that she just always thought "This is mine" [laughter, hoots]. "I'm Bill's wife. I'm white. And this is mine. And I jus' gotta get up. And step into the plate." And then out of nowhere came, "Hey, I'm Barack Obama." And she said: "Oh, damn! Where did you come from!?!?!" [Crowd going nuts, Pfleger screaming]. "I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show." [sobs.] She wasn't the only one crying! There was a whole lotta white people cryin'!" http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1212078535...ign2008_mostpop
  25. She was just back in the Senate yesterday voting on bills. She doesn't have to be in the building to conduct business, her assistants keep her up to date on issues. If you have a specific issue you need help with that only she can resolve, give her office a call.
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