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And now we are coming to the scripted end of Taylor and Travis once the 3-peat is done??
Taylor Swift gives Travis Kelce warning over NFL antics after bedroom bombshell 'upset' - The Mirror US
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Josh prefers looking for plays down field a lot of times and will pass up some of those
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1 minute ago, jaybeezee said:
No My problem is I see the teams that are getting to the SB, Philly, SF, KC Cincy, GM's do a significantly better job drafting impact players, as well as Pro-bowlers on defense and offense. But our GM likes to trade with one of those teams even though the player that they pick always screws us over when it matters the most.
All that can be said to people like you was said best by James Harden without speaking a single word.
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2 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:
OK stat man. Here is your boy Beanes draft class since 2019. I list them all, but I want you to tell which defensive players hes picked in the first 3 rounds that are really good. I wont even add the 2024 draft here.
2019 Draft
2019 Class: DT Ed Oliver (No. 9 overall)= Just OK
OT Cody Ford (No. 38 overall) = Not on team/JAG
RB Devin Singletary (No. 74 overall)= Not an Team/JAG
TE Dawson Knox (No. 96 overall) = Severely overpaid JAG
LB Vosean Joseph = Not even in the league I dont think
2020 Draft
2nd Round, No. 54 overall | A.J. Epenesa, DE, Iowa. ... = JAG
3rd Round, No. 86 overall | Zack Moss, RB, Utah. ...= Not on team/JAG
4th Round, No. 128 overall | Gabriel Davis, WR, UCF. ...Not on Team/JAG
5th Round, No. 167 overall | Jake Fromm, QB, Georgia. ... = Cant even get on a State Farm Commercial
2021 Draft
261Carlos Basham Jr. = LOL/Giants PS
393Spencer Brown = Good Pick
5161Tommy Doyle = LOL
6203Marquez Stevenson = LOL/Not in the league
2022 Draft
1Kaiir Elam= LOL
2James Cook= Good Pick
3Terrel Bernard = TBD on him, Slow and little
5Khalil Shakir = Good Pick
6Matt Araiza= Hardly punted against us
6Christian Benford = Good pick for draft pick #
2023 Draft
1Dalton Kincaid= Jury is still out. Had great first season due to Diggs drawing all the attention.
2O'Cyrus Torrence = Good Pick
3Dorian Williams= TBD, prove that he is good or really good
5Justin Shorter= Hasnt seen the field
7Nick Broeker= Who??
7Alex Austin = Who??
Again...you don't need to do this based on your "opinion" of them. This is already done for you based on actual, REAL, FACTUAL data in comparison to all other players at their position group in the NFL. And what it says is that on balance, Beane has gotten the most value out of his draft classes on balance then any other GM in the NFL over his tenure. This isn't even including the few players like Levi Wallace that were UDFA's that started and aren't included in this.
You can argue it, you can say whatever you want, but the facts aren't on your side.
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8 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:
Show me anyone of the guys on defense that you think is worth where they were drafted at stats.... Please.
Just start with the ones I listed. Not your PFR grades. Here ill remind you... AJ, Elam, Boogie, Groot, Oliver, Bishop. These were all 1st and second round picks of Beane, and I would like you to name one of these guys that are any good for the draft spot they were taken.
Ed Oliver!
Christian Benford. 6th round pick. F**k the pro-bowl, should have been an All-Pro.
Terrell Bernard. 3rd round pick.
Groot at the end of the 1st round, is a pretty good pick.
Bishop hasn't played enough yet, pretty sure he is going to be a very good player next year for us based on the way he improved as the year went on.
Again, the problem you have is that you for some reason think the Bills are the ONLY team in the NFL that doesn't get a great player every time they pick. In fact, most teams don't. Most teams don't even get good players or starters out of most of their picks. Kansas City has missed on quite a few picks over the same period of time.
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10 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:
Proof is in the pudding. We have 2- pro bowlers on offense and none even close on defense. AJ, Boogie, Elam, Groot, Oliver have all been here multiple years and not one pro-bowl.
The last probowler we drafted on defense was Tre, and Beane didnt draft him, so again, show me each and everyone of the players Beane has drafted stats, not these skewed numbers from PFR.
And my original argument is that he has failed in the early rounds of the draft since hes been here, outside of Josh and Cook, which are both on offense.
If you think the Pro-Bowl is a justifiable way at determining how good a player is, then I am not sure why you are even bothering watching the game. Might as well go watch something like checkers or tiddlywinks.
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48 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:
This rigged narrative is ....something....
WHY would the other 31 owners want to participate in having the Chiefs win by rigging things so they do?
IF the other 31 teams think rigging is going on and not wanting to partcipate in it...why do they allow it to continue?
WHY would you, if you are rigging things...set it up so one of your smallest markets is the big time team? Wouldn't Kroenke or the NY folks or Jerry in Dallas want to rig some of this in their favor?
Wouldn't Terry and Kim make a case that they are building an expensive stadium, and it's their turn for some rigging to go their way?
How does this all work and why?
The Refs suck. They do. KC benefits from some bad calls....but to say it's all rigged....for KC? ....come on.
Crazy part is Dean Blandino's(who was head of NFL officials for many years) own brother is convinced it's rigged and he believes the NDA Dean signed won't let him discuss it or talk about it.
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35 minutes ago, Logic said:
The statement I saw on social media recently that I agreed with is: It's not the AMOUNT of calls that help the Chiefs vs those that go against them. It's the MOMENTS those calls seem to routinely be made. It's often in high leverage, game-changing moments that the Chiefs get a call, and I think that's what really infuriates people.
It's not that they get more calls than anyone else (although they literally HAVE been penalized far less frequently in the playoffs than their opponents, as shown in the Tweet below). Some of their being less penalized can be explained by them being more detail-oriented and paying attention to detail. But not all of it. Surely you must agree that the splits of how many penalties the Chiefs get in the playoffs vs their opponents is pretty....suspect? Like...c'mon, man!
But again: more so than the amount of calls that go in the Chiefs favor is the moments in which they happen. They seem far more often than not to be the beneficiary of absolutely game-changing calls. Certainly at a more frequent clip than any other team, particularly THIS season.Now it's gotten to the point the refs can't even f**king spot the ball properly for their opponent for some reason.
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1 hour ago, Zerovoltz said:
.....regarding the 4th down play....
Let's assume it's called a 1st down. No one knows what happens after that......but the case is made it was a game altering play. Fine. I concede that it was a pivotal moment in the game and that it's possible the Bills go on to score 3,7 or 8.
But, If you are going to call that a pivotal play becuase of the unkown "what might have happend" then you have to consider that the Worthy catch probably ended up working out in the Bills favor right? If that is ruled incomplete, insted of 1st and goal at the 5, it's first and 10 at the 20 instead (due to holding on Hamlin). KC MAYBE (we don't know what happens for sure) runs quite a bit more clock out before socring a TD to go up 21-10 and the Bills don't have the time to get the TD before halftime.
I am not saying that is what would happen and I am not trying to diminish the importance of the 4th down call when it happend. I am simply saying, at that particular time and spot in the game, it's not the game changer that for example, the Rams Saints missed PI was when that happend..literally cost the Saints the game for sure.
Also....it's noteworthy to me that there were 4 Bills fumbles in this game and the Bills recovered all 4. No one here has mentioned it at all....and how lucky/improbable it is to have 4 fumbles and recover all 4. The Chiefs had 1 fumble and it was also recovered by the Bills. I get it...those aren't on the refs....but they are potential game changing plays.
Last...it has been menioned several times the Bills had the ball with 3 Timeout and 3 plus minutes left with a chance to win or tie. If you were offered that scenario before the game started, would you take that shot? With Josh Allen at QB? I would think Bills fans would take their chances with the ball, 3 minutes plus, 3 TO left and down 3. That's the time to shine.
And finally one last thing....13 seconds may well have been it. Allen was heroic that game and would have/should have been a champion that year if not for the complete collapse that happend which had nothing to do with Allen. He was awesome and clutch that game.
Let's agree to disagree then. There was yard shaving going on the entire game regarding the Bills. At one point Romo was about to call them out on it and his mic mysteriously just cut out.
Coincidence? Doubtful.
Forget 4th down, that play should have never even happened because it was abundantly clear the play before was even MORE of a first down.
But let's go to the 4th down call---how the f**k does the official with a CLEAR VIEW OF THE BALL who has it marked as a first down cede his spot to the official who could only see Allen's back and no view of the ball? It doesn't even make any goddamned sense! It's like the official running in was like "oh, sorry...forgot about what we are supposed to be doing on these plays! No, no...you are right even tho you couldn't even see the ball!"
Nantz and Romo both think it's a first down, Gene Steratore, CBS Rules Analyst thinks it's a first down, Dean Blandino, Rules Analyst for Fox thinks it's a first down, all of America watching other than Chief fans(and if they are being honest, at least half of them think he got it too) thinks it's a first down! But the refs, with clear visual evidence of the tip of the ball being over the line claims it isn't a first down.
You want to come in here and try and gaslight us and try and tell us this isn't happening when I was aware of it in real-time as the game was going on by the early 3rd quarter as it kept happening, you can go kick rocks.
If you expect me to believe the officials somehow forgot how to spot the ball properly all game long for one team just by happenstance and it happened to be this game when I haven't seen that at all in the 40+ prior years I've watched this team, it's falling on deaf ears.
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On 1/16/2025 at 1:06 PM, BarleyNY said:
The Bills numbers are very good overall, but they are definitely helped immensely by starting the cumulative calculations in 2018 when Allen was drafted. Likewise Baltimore is helped in the same way with Lamar drafted 32 that season.
Edited to add: I understand that this is a measurement of Beane’s tenure and that’s why it started in 2017. Not sure why 2024 wasn’t included though. My point is simply that nailing a QB in 2017 - as he did and should get credit for - pumps up the numbers dramatically.
Just went and added it up for 2024...Bills draft class has an AV of 21, so that can be added to the number.
Only behind Commanders(42), Rams(34), Chargers(31), Giants(29), Broncos(24), Titans(24), Bears(24), Raiders(23), and 49ers(23)...
Bengals also tied for 21 with their seemingly endless number of picks they had.
Chiefs in comparison had 12.
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4 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:
Prove that your right and im wrong then!
There is a thread on here where a poster has painstakingly gone thru and created spreadsheets that add up AV of every draft class for every team on a yearly basis. Go check out that thread.
EDIT: I even found the link so you don't have to search for it.
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12 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:
Maxx is not coming to Buffalo. Beanes not making any trades to get him or Garrett. Beane will target some washed up, way past his best days FA and he will rarely produce. It's not what I hope, it's what I know and I will use his history as proof.
The guy was a AGM in Carolina. His job was to crunch the numbers. He wasn't the talent selector there and people here need to understand that.
He is limited and it shows by our drafts! Once and a blue he will get lucky, but he has yet to fortify our needs with any real studs.
If by having the most production as a whole of your drafted players since he has been GM, then yes, that is actually what his draft shows when you look at things analytically and not just throw out random hot takes you come up with in your mind that have little basis in reality.
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Best thing about it? KC is essentially a divisional opponent now so he can still see them twice a year, with once being in an elimination game.
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We are talking a play or two that goes differently in 3 games and the outcome is different.
I'm not sure you couldn't just chalk that up to small sample size.
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1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:
Stats dont always tell the entire story. He had a fine game but it wasnt great. The fumbled snap put them behind schedule for a first down. He failed to recognize where the blitz was coming from on the last play of the game. While the center makes the line call, the Quarterback needs to recognize where the blitz is coming from to put the lineman in the right position to make that call.
Josh is an absolute dog and a likely future hall of famer but part of the loss is certainly on him.
Players already talked about this ad nauseum in the locker room cleanout day. They said Spags had shown that look a bunch of times and the pressure was always coming from the other side all game so they slid the protection that way. When they did, they brought it from the other side for the first time all game. Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to the other team for a great play call at a crucial time. If Cyborg doesn't totally whiff on his block, Allen likely has enough time to get the ball to Kincaid for a regular easy catch.
So in this case it was a combo of a great playcall and poor execution by the one person who could least afford to not execute on that play.
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13 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:
The Chiefs could care less losing to us in the regular season. It's not an important game to them.
A ridiculous statement. Anyone who got to that level did so because they either are extremely talented or extremely driven and hate to lose. To win Super Bowls, you must be both. None of those players want to lose any time they step onto that field.
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5 hours ago, ShakAttack said:
As I was watching the NFL's mic'd up championship week edition, something stood out to me, and I realized it was not the first time I'd seen it either.
KC's players and coaches are very chummy with the refs before the game.
It's very difficult for me to believe that refs are intentionally making these calls, but I do believe the Chiefs are intentionally playing the refs to the point they are basically considered "buddies" by the refs. And that is leading to subconscious favoritism toward the Chiefs in those borderline call situations.
And after all, it's human nature to favor your friends in difficult situations, whether you realize you're doing it or not. For instance, I'm watching the 4th and 1 play in the mic'd up video, and as soon as the play is over, the Chiefs are so animated about stopping us short; they have NO DOUBT. I didn't see that from the Bills, even though we clearly DID get the first down. These guys are in the refs heads whether the refs are aware of it or not! They are doing this right in front of the refs. And yes, I know that happens a lot anyway, and I know the refs are "professionals" and trained to be neutral, not swayed by the players/coaches, etc, but when you look at how friendly these guys are with the refs before the game, and if you think back to a situation in your own life when your best friend is making their case to you about something important, aren't you typically biased toward them? In contrast, if a JAG (let's say) is in your ear about getting a call wrong, who cares? Who's that person to you anyway? Doesn't quite have the same weight as Mahomes being upset, does it? (from the ref's perspective)
The ONE time I recall the Chiefs experiencing a decisive call that did NOT go in their favor was the Kadarius Toney "offensive Offside". And even though it was the correct call, we all saw Mahomes throw a tantrum on the sidelines and continue this hissy fit during the post-game press conference. It reminded me of, dare I say, someone that had just been betrayed by a good friend? And was in complete and utter shock that this friend actually had the nerve to do it?
Could it be, that ever since that incident, these refs decided they did not want to cross the Chiefs again? They did not want to interfere with "greatness" again? Boy, I mean, if PATRICK MAHOMES is treating you like his best buddy, wouldn't you feel honored? Wouldn't you feel, maybe even slightly (because that's all it takes) that you don't want to be the one to let him down? Or Kelce? Or Swift? Or hell, maybe even Chris Jones?
I just think, if this was being done purposely, the optics would be a little different. Instead, these terrible calls seem to come in the form of being favored any time there is a "borderline" call. And even when reviewed, they refuse to overturn it, especially in the playoffs.
Listen, something is obviously going on here, because it 100% can't be coincidence that throughout this entire season, every decisive flag thrown by a referee has gone against the Chiefs opponent and NOT ONE has gone against the Chiefs. It just has to go both ways sometimes, but it doesn't? But does that mean they are intentionally rigging it? I just don't know. To me, it seems more realistic that they're doing it subconsciously, but the Chiefs, on the other hand, are fully aware of what they are doing and they are 100% intentional about going out of their way to buddy up with these refs...
Best part was that it wasn't called until Toney had done it 4 or 5 times at least. He literally lined up in the same position the first play he was in the game.
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3 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:
Not one thing in the article mentions money
it's inferred. Nobody waits 5 years otherwise.
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C'mon...this seems like everyone piling in for a money grab like when you are at the parade and the car comes by tossing candy out the window and all the kids from everywhere run over to try and grab it.
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38 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:
What about him bringing up the spot being wrong 7 or 8 times. I get the Bills fans frustrations, but a loss brings out exaggeration to all time highs.
That's true. He had to correct himself that many times after he said it was a first down. Was happening all night long.
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37 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:
So Jim Nantz can tell the spot from a couple hundred feet away instantly. I’d love to see a video clip of him doing this 7 or 8 times during the game.
He has people in his ear...or don't you know how broadcasts work? Also after having done it tens, if not hundreds of thousands of times throughout his career calling games, pretty sure he should be mostly accurate with those...at least in every other game I have heard him or any other announcer call they have been. Not this game.
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48 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:
Look I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
However, I do have a significant background in ice hockey. Hockey referees miss calls yes, but in general practice there is the infamous even up call. The culture within the hockey world is for the referees to not want to impact outcomes. To keep the games as safe and fair as possible. In the NFL it's something different going on. THE ODDS WOULD APPEAR TO BE ASTRONOMICAL OF GETTING SO MANY CLOSE CALLS TO GO IN ONE DIRECTION. And, some would argue across many games. How does this happen? Is it the NFL philosophy of we have to get it right? Yet they refuse to keep it at only a select group of plays are reviewable and not all plays as some like Belichick wanted. It just seems to easy to say this is just coincidence. WHAT SAY YOU ALL? keep it rational please, the odds really bother me and it's not just Bills/Chiefs games. What the hell is going on?
This is exactly what I was saying...it wasn't just on that one 3rd or 4th down play, it was throughout the night. Nantz was incredulous by the 3rd quarter as to why the refs kept marking the Bills short when he would call first down. Happened at least 7 or 8 times. Never seen that happen as frequently as that game...it was ridiculous.
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9 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:
I will say this once again about the third down spot......that happened right in front of the Bills bench. AND if you take a minute and watch the replay....his elbow is down before he extends the ball. ....so again...the Bills entire bench was staring right at this in real time....IF they saw a bad spot, they surely would have challenged it...and I am sure someone is in Seans ear telling him they'd seen the replay and it was a good spot...no challenge. No need to wast the timeout there.
If you disagree with this then make a case why there was no challenge flag thrown?
When his elbow lands, the entire ball is across the line, watch the slow replay that's posted.
The better question might be why were the Bills constantly being marked short by a foot or two of first downs all night when it appeared they got enough for the first down? When Nantz starts complaining about the spots constantly being moved back after he says it's a first down something seems a little strange...been watching football 40+ years and can't say I've ever seen that happen THAT many times in a game to the same team.
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Draft Success Measured by AV - Part V
in The Stadium Wall
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Yes...we continuously are among the elite teams in the NFL by constantly drafting and employing JAGs.
That must be it.