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Big Turk

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  1. I was listening to Sirius yesterday and I can't remember who was on the show but they were saying that the Cowboys are infatuated with Manziel and think he is a younger version of Romo but with more fire and competitiveness. They really want the kid for a variety of reasons but unsure as to whether and how long he would sit behind Romo. They added that Romo's contract, even restructured, is precluding the Cowboys from adding players they need to get to the playoffs as they are in cap hell- bringing up questions about Romo being possible trade bait.

     

    If the Cowboys put Romo on the block for the Bills to trade this year's #1 (so they can take Manziel) and next year's #1, would you as a Bills fan take that?

     

    Seriously??? The dude is coming off major back surgery and is on the downside of his career. Two firsts?? Are you smoking crack?? And then we inherit his ridiculous contract too??

     

    Stick to playing Madden, bro...maybe those deals work out there

  2. I have no doubt that it was Ralph Wilson's desire to keep the Bills in Buffalo. I did not know that there was league resistance to the lease agreement. Honestly, that doesn't make me feel any better. My hope is that what RW was able to work into the lease will be enough to keep the team in Buffalo. As I have stated previously, my fear is that the Bills will be sold to the highest bidder, the highest bidder will want the highest ROI, and the highest ROI will not be in Buffalo.

     

    The resistance lies not in keeping the Bills in Buffalo but to pretty much forcing the hand of the next owner

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    Really? On his free time? I'm sure if the NBA started recording what the players said in private they'd hear some interesting takes. Hell, start recording the other owners while in private, makes it easy to get rid of who they don't agree with.

     

    See where this is going...

     

    Maybe you should take up for all the waiters and waitresses getting fired from restaurants for posting stuff to social media too

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    As far as whatever you want without taking responsibility, that's not what I said, go back and read it again...what I said was, the NBA has no right to weigh in on this issue...it occurred between two lovers in a private conversation. And sorry, I don't know you, but would you want everything you've ever said to a lover in a heated argument to be made public? And then held against you in your business? I don't believe it's Consitutional and I believe it to be completely against what America stands for...the right to speak freely, and to disagree, and have assh*les who are ignorant and racist, so that the other voices of reason and intelligence can persuade some....but the beauty is found in the power of persuasion, not in the edge of the blade or force...consequences for his touch-hole should have been a slow and methodical loss of his asset through the court of public opinion not buying tickets, losing merchandise, seeing protests outside the arena...not the NBA coming in with some hypocritical ban, as if they didn't know Sterling held these views....

     

    Btw, freedom WITH consequence, is no freedom at all...therefore, you are not "free" to say whatever you want because the consequence will follow...now, appropriate consequence is a different medium altogether, and on that, we can agree....but the NBA yielding its large stick to "punish" Sterling for a private matter, is an abuse of power....to me

     

    Nobody said he can't have those views, he just has to deal with the consequences of them when they are made public

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    He has the freedom to say and do whatever he wants within the law, as a US citizen. However, his employer (yes, owners are effectively employees of the NBA) can fine/fire him for behavior that effects the "company" and it's reputation.

     

    Would you be surprised if your coworker was fired after your boss found pictures of your coworker in KKK robes? Further, what if said KKK robe wearer was publicly known as a representative of your company?

     

    People get fired every day for stuff posted on social media sites that is way less inflammatory than what he said

  6. I think that there has been some misinterpretation on the part of some posters that the Non Relocation Agreement states that the Bills can't sell to someone that they know is planning on moving the Bills. That simply isn't the case. They can't sell to someone who is planning to move the Bills during the Non Relocation Term. Some people think this is a deal-breaker, anyway. Who would want to buy a team that they can't move for seven years at the earliest? I think this is misguided reasoning. It could take two years just to secure ownership. In Los Angeles (where I live, and have been following the stadium situation fairly closely), the contract for building a new stadium hinges on there being a team to move there. Once there is a team, the stadium will be built. The most likely place for a LA stadium would be at a location called Farmer's Field. That contract is already pending with an extension likely to be signed this October. Should it be built, it will be a logistical nightmare and will take years. Seven years from now might just time out perfectly.

     

    Currently, most people consider the Rams the front-runners for a move to Los Angeles, with the Raiders in second. Jax, and SD are essentially out of the running. But, if people in Buffalo don't think that moving to LA isn't a distinct possibility, I would say they are wrong. There's a lot of money in LA, and I have no doubt that the owners of some of that money are looking at Buffalo right now.

     

    You honestly believe that Littman, the executor of the estate, is going to sell to someone who he thinks is going to move the team? Doubt it. Doubly doubt that Erie County would sign off on it even if they tried.

     

    You don't go through all this effort and energy to then say "Oh, well he said he won't move the team till after the lease is up, its cool". Also I'm pretty sure they would thoroughly search through any potential owners and find out their true intentions before selling.

  7. Looks like that POS is going to be getting kicked out of the NBA soon pending a legal battle I'm sure...

     

    Commissioner Adam Silver bans him for life, fines him the maximum allowed amount of $2.5 million and urges the Board of Governors strongly to vote to force a sale of the team needing a 3/4 league vote for approval

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    Did you find the section in the general lease agreement about the Bills terminating the lease in year 7? Specifically are there any conditions to this or solely at their discretion? I couldn't find the section skimming through and this is much more your area than mine. Thanks for your help!

     

    Some other facets of the non-relocate agreement that seem significant to me:

     

    Section 3 b) Bills can't even talk to potential relocation buyer unless relocation will take place after termination of lease or the Bills are already in arbitration over terminating the lease. But county/state can order injuction if they have evidence these discussions cause economic harm before the end of the lease.

     

    Section 4: Transfer of franchise: Bills will put a lein on the franchise that new owners must abide by all lease and non-relocation terms.

     

    Section 5: Liquidated damages: Both Bills and county/state acknowledge that actual damages are difficult to assess and forcing Bills to play in the Ralph or not being allowed to play elsewhere are the most effective measure. State/county must also try to seek damage relief in court before using $400 mil fund

     

    Section 8: Miscellaneous:

    "(ii) Each Party hereby agrees that all actions or proceedings arising directly

    or indirectly out of this Agreement shall be litigated only in the Supreme Court of the State of

    New York, Erie County, or the United States District Court for the Western District of New York.

    Each Party expressly submits and consents in advance to such jurisdiction and waives any claim

    that Erie County, New York or the Western District of New York is an inconvenient forum or an

    improper forum based on improper venue."

     

    So no change of venue for disputes either. Things have been stacked to favor the team staying here.

     

    Good luck finding a judge that wants to commit political suicide

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    I did not know this, thanks!

     

    Seriously, the NFL controls how high or low a player's socks can be in a game and you think they are just gonna allow teams to sign legally binding documents without their approval? Lol

     

    Poloncarcz was on GR this am with Simon/White and was asked this specific question -- he basically said, "while the NFL struggled with the language and terms in the agreement, we would not have signed it without their approval" (not sure the word he used, whether it was approval or support or buy in). He went on "Brandon / Littman convinced NFL it was in best interest of Bills and Buffalo. The NFL is not, however, a party to the contract. The Bills, Eric Co and NY State are the three parties".

     

    Brandon and Littman might be as much responsible for saving the team as Ralph in the end by convincing the NFL to sign off on it...

     

     

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    Well, Florio remains, as always, an idiot. But just as a broken clock is right twice a day, I think he's completely on point here. This changes nothing. Realistically, we already knew that any buyer would give a song and dance about keeping the Bills in Buffalo (just like Clay Bennett did with Seattle). Even if a buyer was dead-set on moving, there's nowhere to move to right now: Neither LA nor Toronto has an NFL-ready stadium at this point.

     

    I'll be pretty surprised if the Bills move before the out clause in 2020, regardless of who buys the team.

     

    Again, people aren't getting the point. It doesn't matter what the person says, if they will or won't move the team... anyone the Bills suspect will try and move the team is going to have that clause invoked on them, before even getting into negotiations, basically telling them with a all knowing and sly smile "Sorry, but we can't sell to you, buh bye"

     

     

     

    You are implying that the NFL had a say when the Bills entered into the current lease. Are you sure of this? If they did that speaks volumes as to the desire of not just Mr. Wilson, but the entire NFL to keep the Bills in Buffalo. But to the best of my knowledge, that agreement was just between the Bills and the county.

     

    The Bills cannot enter into a lease without NFL approval

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    No guarantee as there are lots of entities in this society with lots of $ where an extra $400 million is doable.

     

    However, the important thing for deterring a deal is not simply making the cost prohibitive, but making buying the Bills a worse option than other opportunities.

     

    There appear to be other potential options for the Bon Jovis and other capital groups as they could guess Mr. Wilson would not live forever, but there was not enough certainty the Bills would be on the market to mean that there are not other choices.

     

    Any group, is likely going to have to put together several minority partners who will "throw-in" their 10s of millions and uncertainty is an enemy of putting together that deal. Even if that new deal feels pretty sure they can beat Erie County in court, that they could convince the NFL to withstand years of bad marketing with pictures of WNY mourning the loss of the team, dueling with other bidders (the Jim Kelley group would likely have the NFLPA and other players weighing in for it), and other legal uncertainties, $400 million should be enough to make us a secondary (tertiary) target for buyers.

     

    There is no legal basis for suing a party or parties refusing to sell a team to a group unless they claim protection under a "protected class". It's their team they can choose to sell or not sell to whoever they wish. As the lease is constructed, those parties wishing to relocate the Bills are excluded from consideration. The NFL will not try to set a dangerous precedent of breaking leases and the legal battle that would ensue. If they had wanted to, they would have rejected the lease before it could be signed. By not rejecting the terms, they silently accepted them without saying a word.

     

    And good luck with suing the team in Erie County Court. You'd have a better chance of getting a conviction on a white defendant against a black man in 1850 Mississippi than a judge who might not make it alive out of the courtroom by ruling against the Bills

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    Yes.

     

    It does no good when all the team has to say is "Well, unfortunately by terms of the lease we cannot enter into any type of negotiations with you since we believe you are intent on relocating the team"

     

    I mean what are they going to do? Sue the Bills because they refuse to sell to them??

     

    Imagine this in Erie County Court

    "Your honor we are suing the team because they won't talk to us"

     

    "They have the right to talk to or not talk to anyone they choose to" Gavel slammed "Case Dismissed"

  13. Wow..that is probably the coup de grace for anyone looking to buy and move the team. The Bills are "forbidden" from selling the team to someone who wants to relocate them...who controls the sale? The executor of the estate, Littman who is a loyal Bills employee and his Boss Brandon. It appears there is virtually zero chance the Bills move now...fantastic article and unbelievable a Toronto reporter has broken the two biggest stories regarding the lease...wtf are the Buffalo News reporters doing??

     

     

    If any new ownership decides to break the lease, I'm sure the county would make it anything but easy or cheap for them to do so. If for no other reason than it would be political suicide for any county politician to roll over and play dead on this issue.

     

    As to the bolded, this is a very good example. But say you are this person, you would certainly pay a penalty for breaking the lease. But after paying the penalty, where would you be living , in the original apartment or someplace else? That is, do you think the court would force you to stay in the original apartment?

     

    They won't get a chance to break the lease because anyone planning to buy the team and move them doesn't have a chance of even getting a meeting to begin negotiations...this is like a Mike Tyson punch to the face for anyone wanting to buy and move the team who reads the lease, lol

  14. It makes sense seeing as how the top 3 tackles are already off the board when we pick

     

     

    CBF

     

    We are not going to reach for a 2nd tier tackle when you can get the same player in round 2 or 3. There is no way this is happening as they have repeatedly stated they don't have any pressing needs and are going to leave all options on the table...

     

    This is so ludicrous it has to be just so this guys mock is different somehow

  15. I may not be the biggest CJ Spiller supporter in the world...But I think a 5th for him is laughable...He may or may not be an every-down NFL RB...But CJ can do things most players just can't do...And to this day I swear I've never seen a player get to top speed as fast as CJ does...I think CJ would still be a 1st round pick in this Draft, and this Draft is loaded...Maybe not #9 overall...But he'd go in the 1st...

     

    A 5th is insulting...I would literally take that as an insult... :lol:

     

    You must have never watched Bo Jackson...

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