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Seriously??? McCargo was essentially a rookie last season and showed some major signs of being a force. He was behind Tripplet becasue LT was the vet and McCargo was very inexperienced. Additionally, he had a leg injury that limited his conditionally before last season. His play definitely improved as the season went on. I think you may the only person who doesn't think McCargo is gonna be a huge part of this defense.
McCargo's a former first round pick who made a few plays last year, but wasn't what the coaches thought was starting material. This year, they went out and signed Stroud, Spencer Johnson, and re-signed Kyle Williams to at the minimum send McCargo a message. If McCargo was the dominant force some are expecting him to be, it's strange that the Bills invested so much in other DT's. All four DT's aren't going to get even playing time, despite all of them getting good money.
I often think about what the Bills would be like had they drafted Ngata, not dealt a 2nd and 3rd in 2006, and not mandating they acquire a big DT lin Stroud with a 3rd and 5th this year when their run defense was a sieve. That's four draft picks, not to mention resources directed to signing Spencer Johnson and adding Stroud to the payroll. That's a lot for one position in the span of three off-seasons. McCargo had better be good becaue Buffalo's invested too much in him.
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I realize that in the eyes of many, Marv was and always will be a draft genius. But if McCargo is average this year again, the word "bust" will start being used more often.
This reminds me, need to start that Youboty thread...
I've got to wonder what's going through the coaches and front office people's minds wrt McCargo. He did not win the starting job last season, albeit to one of their higher priced FA's from 06 in Tripplett. Entering this season, the Bills gave a vote of confidence to Kyle Williams with a new deal and signed Spencer Johnson to decent money.
If McCargo isn't starting this year, giving up a 2nd and 3rd for him just two years ago looks even worse and tarnishes Levy's time as GM a significant amount.
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The Bills doing a 180 degree turn in philosophy from what was said before the 2007 season and what actually happened during the 2007 season has NOTHING to do with your comment regarding whether we were built for an "all out" aerial assault. They never TRIED anything resembling a "passing attack" let alone the "all out" variety. Maybe if the Bills actually USE Marshawn Lynch's god given abilities to CATCH and RUN with the football will we all see how awfully stupid it was that he gathered in a measly 18 catches in 2007. That stat alone makes me think that Dick Jauron is an idiot for not getting involved when Fairchild was avoiding Lynch's most dangerous asset week after week after week. Thankfully Fairchild's gone and Dick Jauron is next on the chopping block if he doesn't squash his scaredy-cat act and start letting the players play to their strengths. Until I see it with my own eyes, I will continue to doubt the man's football intelligence and question his current lofty position as an NFL head coach.
IMO, Jauron is a predictable NFL HC. His first two seasons he went the route of allowing an OC to be pass happy, though the Bears were not a playoff team. Consequently, DJ offenses since 01 have been very conservative. His last 2 OC's (Shoop and Fairchild) have both employed methodical, run first type offenses that rarely gamble. They remain offenses that will rarely put up big performances, and usually at the bottom of the NFL in points scored. Defense will always be a priority to DJ, despite what is said in the media.
I don't see a departure from this conservative philosophy. In light of a young QB and rookie OC, Jauron's offensive gameplans will mesh with his defensive ones and demonstrate a reliance on safe plays. Whether or not he's more apt to take chances this year, given that this is his year or else remains to be seen. Needless to say, it'll be interesting to see how he coaches with his job potentially on the line.
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At this point everything is a puff-piece and more hype than anything else. I've been hearing for years now, through both the Donahoe and Levy eras that things will be better. And every year there's a let down. Schonert's a rookie OC, and his boasts remind me of of Gregg Williams' speeches.
The pre-season is a time when every team has hope of being a winner. Frankly, I'll believe the team when I see it on the field, and that won't be for another 2 months.
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Newsflash -- all four Bills' D-linemen are "rotational players."
So in your estimation, this means:
Stroud is getting 5M+ to be a rotational player after the Bills gave up a 3rd and 5th for him
Buffalo traded back into the first in 2006 (giving up a 2nd and 3rd) to draft McCargo to be a rotational player
Spencer Johnson was signed to a big contract to be a rotational player
Kyle Williams will make up to 4.8M per to be a rotational starter when his new deal kicks in.
Sure.
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As much as DJ and Fewell will adjust the defense to suit certain situations, it's apparent what they'd like to run. C2 defenses are run upwards of 50% of the time in any defense. Buffalo's DT's bring somewhat similar skill-sets to the table. Stroud is most likely larger than the listed 310 and I don't doubt McCargo is around that weight. Spencer Johnson is probably smaller than McCargo, but made plays in Minnesota and I like his versatility. Kyle Williams is not big enough to play the NT (1 tech) and not quick enough to play UT (3 tech).
While weight isn't the only quality necessary to play either position (John Randle played at 290 and was quite successful) holding up at the point of attack is something no Bills DT has done much of since the days of Pat Williams. I daresay Williams isn't that player and never will be, despite an excellent work ethic. Working hard and talent are two different things. I wouldn't be surpised to see Stroud lining up with McCargo or Johnson fairly regularly with Williams a strictly depth player.
Before going off the deep end, with Williams, McCargo, and Tripplett at DT this team was 31st against the run. As much as it's a team playing defense, the first line of DT's was terrible, especially late in games. I don't care who Buffalo has a CB, LB, or S it won't matter until they can stop the run.
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Actually, McCargo didn't play nearly any of his rookie season due to a foot injury. That injury was healed last year, and thus he was finally able to get time on the field. When he did get time on the field last year, it was productive. His play improved as the year went on, and for what was essentially his rookie season to total the best TFL numbers on the team, the best solo tackle/tackle ratio and have the second highest sack total on the team for the limited time he actually played seems to make your argument look foolish. I think that by the end of pre-season, McCargo will be solidly entrenched as the starter next to Stroud. Johnson will be rotating in to give Stroud a rest and Williams will come in for McCargo at the three where he will also likely be more effective.
McCargo was for all intents and purposes a rookie last season and he looked good for a rookie. This is his year. The guy was a beast in college and I expect to see that same kind of production out of him this year based on his performance. Most of the people who watch this stuff for a living and write about it agree that he really came on at the end of the season. I trust my eyes, and theirs before the negative nancies that reside on this board. He played well when he had opportunities last season, and most agree he is really improving.
McCargo couldn't break the starting lineup in his second season. Rotational player or not, two guys generally get the majority of the PT. Barring an injury, Stroud and either McCargo or Spencer Johnson will complement him with Kyle Williams being the other depth player. If McCargo was the real deal, Buffalo would not have acquired Johnson.
The fact is, McCargo needs to show up over the course of a full season as a starter before being acclaimed as a big time player. IMO, Spencer Johnson will play a similar role in this defense, and they didn't give him that fat contract to be a wave player at DT and work in at DE when Schobel, Kelsay, and Denney aren't in.
There are a lot of feel-good Bills fans around here who latch onto anything which makes them feel happy. Anyone who doesn't believe all the hype from OBD are negative to them. I'd like McCargo to play like Warren Sapp, but if a guy isn't breaking the starting line up and the team acquires another similar type player, it's not all good. That, of course, does not fit very conveniently into this discussion.
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This is as cliche as it gets, but Williams is a big time "football player" and a great guy to lock up long term. He's also the kind of guy who will take more money as a sign he needs to work even harder -- and that would be difficult for this cat, because he works as hard as anybody already.
I'm not seeing the wisdom in giving Kyle Williams a new deal. He's precisely the type of player who can leave in FA and not be missed. To me, he's what Larry Tripplett was to the Colts just three years ago. A player who rotates in, not anything special, and certainly not worth this sort of money. He's not a starter, but with Buffalo's build over 4 years plan became one in 06 and 07.
IMO, he lacks the size to play the 1 and the quickness of the 3. He's a rotational player and nothing more.
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If after 1+ seasons, McCargo can't win the starting job at DT, when will he?
The signing of Spencer Johnson is a message to Williams and McCargo. As much as the Bills talk about Spencer playing DE, he was brought in to push, and possibly play ahead of McCargo.
Either way, Buffalo will put their top 2 DT's on the field as often as possible. And right now, that's Stroud and either McCargo or Sp. Johnson.
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His inactivity tells us nothing. Your imagination and perhaps cynicism tells you a great deal. There are numerous possible scenarios that don't make him out to be a louse. It's no crime to speculate, that's your right. But at least admit it's total speculation.
There are just as many or more scenarios that do make him out to be a louse, but we simply don't know yet. He didn't seem like a louse before, so right now I am giving him the benefit of the doubt until I see some real facts. I may turn on him as soon as I see the facts, I may not. That's what most everyone is saying.
You're just not willing to wait to convict him, but feel compelled to tell others that they are just excusing immoral behavior.
The silence is deafening. Despite what the DA says about him driving the vehicle, he has a link to this no matter what anyone talks about.
I want to give Lynch the benefit of the doubt. Anyone who watched the Kenny Mayne bit can laugh about how Lynch seems like a nice guy. At this point, there is a connection, and unless he spoke with the DA today, it's been one whole week since he was implicated to some degree. The question is...why?
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If people weren't fundamentally idiots we wouldn't have lawyers either.
Note: not "need" lawyers. "Have" lawyers.
DC Tom...14000+ "I think I'm both funny and smart posts" and counting.
It's ironic to see those willing to excuse this. No rational fan is convicting Lynch in the court of public opinion, but the idea he won't talk does not resonate with those who have any sense of moral fiber.
His inactivity tells us a great deal. Still, it's clear many still subscribe to moral relativism and are ready to move on because it's inconvenient to think the starting RB might not play.
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I'm waiting for someone who posts something like:
"That's all Whitner and Posluszny can lift?"
Nice video
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Word for word. Whenever someone wants to argue against Reed's Hall of Fame credentials, claiming he was merely a complementary player on a great team, I just tell 'em to watch the second half of the Houston game. Thurman? On the bench with a hip pointer. Kelly? In street clothes. Reed? Out there getting the job done, with catch after critical catch.
Great point Lori. It's also noteworthy that Reed didn't always have great complementary receivers. As an example, statistically 1989 and 1994 were his best seasons. In both seasons, the receiver second to him in receptions was Thurman Thomas. In 89 Flip Johnson was second among receivers with 25 catches. For 94, Bill Brooks was second among WR's with 42 catches.
Most certainly Reed benefitted from Metzelaars, but I think it's safe to say Reed did a lot on his own.
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I've heard this for way to many years without seeing results.
It's time to actually make significant progress and get into the playoffs.
50,000+ season ticket holders are hoping so as well. I think it's fair to expect a playoff team with the roster in place now. It could get ugly if this team stumbles.
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lee has not proven himself to be the caliber played to deserve that much money. I think if at half way through the season hes on probowl pace, He'll get his money and extension. If not, he may not see the money. Either way, I think he incs an extension before the end of the season.
It doesn't matter what Lee has "proven." Evans has all the leverage in the world, what with the 78M cash infusion Buffalo received from the Toronto deal and fact that Buffalo needs all the receiving help it can get. Edwards has pretty much nothing at TE (unless Schouman or Fine are better than we think) and will depend on a rookie WR in Hardy. That and the fact that three receivers (Moss, Owens, and Fitzgerald) all have received large deals this off-season.
I'm sure Evans' agent(s) will exploit this if they haven't already. We know an offer was made, but I'm sure it was a low offer. Waiting will only make the price increase.
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It seems like talking about salary cap related scenarios on this board is akin to discussing thermonuclear dynamics with grade schoolers. Well, perhaps not that bad, but this is a serious matter that isn't getting the headlines it should be.
Lombardi goes into some great detail about potential contingency plans, but it's worth noting that this is unprecendented territory the NFL may be heading into. With the way salaries are skyrocketing, it may take something like the union decertifying and a subsequent non-capped year to re-align the money situation league wide. The have's and have-nots are separating more each year.
Still, finding young cheap talent will separate the successful from the unsuccesful. It will give front offices more leeway in being good on the field without breaking the bank off it.
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Best part of that article was the mention that Posluszny pushed Preston (who out-weighs him by about 80 pounds) out of the way to make a play.
One Poz pushing a POS out of the way.
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Not likely only coach who would be interested in OC position despite final year. That kind of "reasoning" is found on sites like RealFootball365.com.
Really? Who else showed at OBD for an interview?
Schonert will be allowed to call his own game for Jauron does not get involved in offense for it is not is expertise. Schonert is still offense coordinator and a rookie at that and any head coach is going to call his own game taking input from coordinators.According to whom? Schonert's never been an OC before. Jauron's been a HC for 7+ seasons. Who do you think has more say in the final gameplan? I'd say Jauron's going to have control when all the dust has settled.
Bills will line up in whatever formation the Bills think allows the Bills to exploit whatever flaws they see in opposing games no matter what uber-knowledgeable fans think.Yes, last season when the Dolphins secondary was led by street free agents and missing key players, those 2 TE's sets were the finest way of exploiting any holes Miami had. And yet the offense managed to find new depths to how bad it could be. Ask Lee Evans. Fairchild was not the only reason this offense was bad. Jauron was a part of the problem, not solution. He has final say, and when push comes to shove, draws up the ultra conservative plans which produce 7 offensive points against DEN, 3 against Dallas, 13 at NYJ, 13 at Miami, 14 at JAC, no TD's and 5 FG at WAS, 3 FGs at PHI. Record in those games was 3-4, right along with DJ's career record.
If you think the reason for offensive ineptitude was Fairchild alone, you're not seeing the whole picture.
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Jauron's hiring of Schonert is the most questionable move this team made in the off-season. To me, it's understandable that no prospective OC wanted the job, because Jauron might be in the final year of his deal. That's not a lot of job security for an incoming OC. With that in mind, Schonert was probably DJ's only option.
The biggest question with Schonert will be whether or not he's allowed to call his own game. If he his, it could disrupt Jauron's team gameplan which emphasizes strong defense, special teams, and no big risk taking on offense.
I would agree that this season hinges on how much Edwards progresses, and if Jauron departs from his uber-conservative gameplans. DJ's got the players, especially on defense, to do things he hasn't been able to do in a long time. If the Bills consistently line up in 2 TE sets like last season, it'll be another long year on offense.
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As for Bill, i know its a futile effort. no matter what happens, he'll whine about first round DBs, while ignoring the fact we spent 75 million on the OL 1 year ago.
So Bill has a take that he hasn't shied away from. Care to admit you were the big proponent of a first round receiver? How'd that go Hondo?
Spending money does not translate into automatic success. I'd remind you that the 75 million Buffalo spent went to a left guard and right tackle, and now the team will be spending money on Peters. You could spend 100M on a QB and RB and it doesn't mean the offense will be stellar.
And yet with all the money dumped into the OL, they finished 15th in the league in rushing.
If I follow your logic, shouldn't San Francisco's secondary be the best in the league? And Minnesota's DL should be the best of the NFL's history, based on what they've paid out.
I'd rather have a solid OL that protects the QB and run blocks than 2 safeties and 2 CB's that rely on other things (namely a pass rush) for their success. Perhaps Bill has a point that you are too hard to admit is right.
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i don't think they want to drop an additional 35 or so guaranteed bucks right now at once.
At this point, there are so many issues which could affect a deal with Peters. Evans and Crowell are due for another contract, and now Peters. All of this is before the rookies are signed.
Not to mention the impending labor issues now that owners opted out of the CBA. This won't affect the 08 and 09 seasons, but with the potential for there to be an uncapped year in 2010, front offices could experience some huge issues. The owners and NFLPA have another 10 months to get something done on a new CBA.
The Bills collected their 78M from their Toronto pals. They may have to use it before they wanted. Franchise LT's aren't in good supply, and are always a priority than WR's or OLBs like Evans and Crowell.
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I cannot believe this thread has lasted so long.
I don't think any of us know what happened on Mother's Day between Hardy and his dad. There's no use speculating, as we'll never understand.
Hopefully Hardy understands he's got a big job ahead of him and can concentrate on playing football.
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Granted, it's according to a "team insider" but it wouldn't surprise me that they are more than a little concerned.
Either way it's not been a good off-season discipline-wise for Buffalo,. Especially for a team that's been talking up the idea of having high-character players for awhile now.
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The Patriots have Randy Moss and Rodney Harrison and Vincent Wolfolk and other guys with questionable character. The Giants had Shockey and the Colts have Marvin Harrison and all teams have a few guys with questionable histories. It's an extremely violent sport. 22 year olds everywhere also make a lot of bad judgments out side of their office. You probably have done a few yourself. I know I have. People also make mistakes, and a lot of people make one or two mistakes and that is it. I don't even know what the point is. You don't want to intentionally go after thugs or make a history of it like the Raiders, and recently the Bengals, but it's a societal thing not an NFL thing. You take any random group of 60 guys in their early 20s and 30s and at least 3-4 of them going out drinking on the weekends are going to be punks or thugs or azzholes.
KFBD I won't disagree with all the tenets of your post. I recall reading in the book about Ernie Accorsi that he personally researched Shockey in his town of Ada, OK. Fine, I realize not every front office guy is going to perform his due dilligence on every player. The point is, Accorsi had been around the NFL awhile and determined Shockey wasn't a giant gamble.
We all make mistakes. Then again, as someone who owns firearms, I've never once felt the need to pull my weapon on someone. Call it my background, call it whatever, but the fact is the Bills have placed a lot of faith into this guy, and we haven't even entered training camp and he's been involved in an alleged incident. Most 20 somethings don't have issues with pulling guns, unless they're in the wrong atmosphere. And wrong atmosphere and NFL star do not go together. The comparison on getting drunk versus pulling firearms is not a good one.
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Buffalo's run defense was 25th in the league in RYPG and 31st in YPG allowed last year. McCargo and Williams were significant contributors all season long, but seem to be part of the problem and not answer. Enter Stroud and Spencer Johnson. Neither of them are being paid to watch from the sideline and will get plenty of snaps. While Johnson has the ability to play DE, I suspect that he's getting paid to push for a starting spot at DT. Unless Ryan Denney is cut, and I don't see that happening, Johnson will be the fourth DE.
Buffalo has a great deal of money invested in their DL with Schobel, Stroud, Kelsay, Sp. Johnson, Williams, Denney, and McCargo getting paid big dollars to put pressure on the QB and stop the run. Every one of those guys was either drafted or re-signed by the current regime minus Marv. If they can't perform, the front office oughta be completely revamped.