The Big Cat
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Weekday qualification would you use?
What else could I base it on
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Agreed.
...and that the Rams and the Jets were consistently worse.
YET WE STILL MANAGED TO FIND A WAY TO DROP TWO...TWO!!!...GAMES TO THE JETS!!
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My takeaway: The Falcons and Pats* were the only teams in the NFL definitively better than their competition on a consistent basis.
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Rob Ryan did really good until we got to 4-2 then I think OCs started cueing on his tendencies and Buf couldnt adjust
If you were basing this on what's broadcasted, sure.
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I think Rex's primary failure was marrying himself to a system that is so complicated that it takes multiple years for the players to learn it well enough to play well enough. That is just dumb by design when you coach in a "What have you done for me lately league?"
System needs to be simple enough for players to execute reasonably well in year 1. It should not take a professional player several years to really understand a system. Foolish by design.
Rex had enough NFL experience (a lifetime of submersion) that he could probably coach a simpler system at a much higher level - too bad for him.
His primary failure was bringing in his brother. I know this for a fact. Will happily respond to a PM.
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I forgot you were one of the guys that thinks it is the offense's job to play defense. I now remember having a similar conversation (I think with you) after that first Miami game.
Yeah, we are never going to agree on that. Offense job is to score points. Defense job is to stop the other team from scoring. You are assigning both jobs to the offense. Yeah, not gonna agree on that.
Right, it's the offense's job to score points, so when it scores 7 points in 28 minutes of football, having only run 25 plays during that time over 7 drives, then you'd agree that it didn't do its job, like it didn't during the entire second half against Miami:
Or like when it completely disappeared for the last 24 minutes of the Oakland game:
I'm glad that we agree in both these cases the offense did not do its job.
I disagree with you placement of blame.
Miami 1 is on the defense as much if not more than the offense, they gave up 454 yds and 28 FD and Ajayi ran all over them, the offense puit up 25 pts
Sea is on the defense, the offense had 425 yds and 30 FDs and 28 pts against the number 1 scoring D, should be good enough
Oak is more on the defense, should be able to protect a 24-9 lead in the 3rd QTR
There is 3 games that should have been wins with competent defense.
You won't convince me otherwise. Save your strength for arguments that matter.
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It sure seems like you are, at least that is the impression.
If the Bills' defense had played better and done their job of stopping other teams from scoring those high point games, isn't it more likely that this very same offense would have scored even more points in those games than they already did?
Would the offense had been considered "good enough" then?
Your impression is wrong.
BAL: offense's fault
NYJ1: defense's fault
MIA1: offense's fault
SEA/NE2: nobody's fault, just out played (though we were 8 yards from the endzone to win at the end of SEA...)
OAK: shared blame. defense let them back in, offense couldn't protect the lead and keep Carr off the field
PIT: they both sucked
MIA: defense's fault
NYJ2: not going there
I've defended each of these stances countless times. IMO, when games were on the line and we needed the offense to come up big, they consistently failed (and have with TT as the QB for two seasons now).
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By your train of thought, what is the point of assembling and playing defense at all? Your explanation seems to overlook the fact that defense does in fact matter.
You seem to be blaming the offense for every time the team doesn't win. And you are giving the Bills defense a pass for sucking when 9 out of ten fans can see the obvious point that the Bills' defense wasn't anywhere near as good relative to other defenses as their offense was to other offenses.
I'm not doing either of those things.
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McDermott is hiring very veteran coaches, some with coordinator or even HC experience. This will help him make the transition and, say if they keep Sanjay Lal, would help a young OC if that is the route he chooses.
Raheem Morris, AHC/WR's, Atlanta.
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Providing these stats aren't helping your point. If your offense puts up about 24 points per game, you should be well north of 500 of you have a competent defense.
Then you're missing the point. The point was that the offense wasn't good enough to win. You have to keep pace in the NFL nowadays and ours wasn't built nor called to do so.
It was meant to complement a good defense. Without that it failed.
9 times we allowed 20+ points. Look at the rest of the AFC playoff teams:
KC: 6
MIA: 12
HOU: 11
PIT: 9
NE: 5
OAK: 13
The difference between our team and those teams was we couldn't keep pace.
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You know what's wild? Our defense had the exact same record!
I'm not sure why you're resisting the point. Perhaps you've lost track of it?
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2016 KC didn't have a win where the opponent scored more than 30. If we go .500 in those 4 games we let up more than 30 by allowing less points, we're probably in the playoffs. Please just stop.
If ifs and buts were nickels and nuts every day would be Christmas.
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Wouldnt you think we'd hire an OC before offensive position coaches? So he can have some say?
The OC must be lined up.
Leads me to believe Olson is interviewing for QB's.
Who the !@#$ knows.
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We were supposed to be a running defense first team! and we gave up 30 points 6 times! and 200 yards rushing 3 times! How is that not an issue in peoples minds?
It was an issue with virtually everyone.
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We were 0-6 when the opponent scores 30+... And the Other 2 were 27 and 28 points. We had 1 win when a team scored 21.
We were 0-8 when the other team scored more than 27 points...
For reference, AFC playoff teams when opponents scored 20 or more in 2016:
KC: 5-1 https://goo.gl/DSlLpV
MIA: 7-5 https://goo.gl/PBTlNm
HOU: 4-7 https://goo.gl/6vGvJl
PIT: 4-5 https://goo.gl/6vGvJl
NE: 4-1 https://goo.gl/ubLr64
OAK: 9-4 https://goo.gl/ubLr64
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yeah, if Roman is considered pro-set style, the term becomes so capacious that it loses its meaning. His offenses were visibly different from everyone else's in the league.
a pro set is literally two backs in the backfield.
what did you mean when you asked about pro set?
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No one has made up their minds - folks are rightly skeptical about losing good coaches and going backwards as a result, which happened when we went from Schwartz to Rex and may well happen going from Lynn to Olson.
Oh, the likelihood of the offense taking a step back is stupendously high, mostly because of uncertainty at QB.
But make no mistake, said step back will be seriously overstated because it will be coming from the assumption that the 2016 was good enough to win.
1-8 when your opponent scores 20 points or more suggests that they were not.
0-4 when the opponent score more than 30
1-3 when the opponent scored between 20 and 30
So again, clinging to those rankings and waving them as evidence that the offense was good in 2016 is dishonest. And even though it won't matter, people will be PISSED that we don't match those rankings next year.
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Fair points - I appreciate this. Olsen is one of "those guys," but it turns out that he did adapt when he was stuck working with Terrelle Pryor at QB (lots of read option). The big red flag, though, is the constant failure after occasionally promising starts (Bortles and Freeman). Maybe it was just those individual qbs, but there is a trend that we shouldn't ignore.
Right, but the other trend there is QB's who couldn't find it in them to turn it around even after he left.
Freeman? Wasn't he out of the league shortly thereafter?
Bortles? It's not secret that he did virtually no work in the offseason before this year. It's why his mechanics completely went to **** and likely why he looked like he was discovering football for the first time every time he dropped back.
Making assumptions about a guy's ability to coach an offense when we're pointing to how productive he was with Freeman, Bortles and Pryor leading the charge strikes me as questionable, at best.
To make matters worse, none of us can be confident that won't happen here...since we don't have a clue who the QB will be. So, again, that anyone has made up their mind about this guy or any OC candidate at this point is incomprehensible to me.
Except his point about Felton is simply wrong - Felton was ignored by GRo and was revitalized by Lynn, who did a much better job adapting the scheme to the talent on hand.
Um. That is my point. Seems your toggle switch is stuck at "disagree."
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Its hilarious.
I lost all respect after the constant brain drilling of "everyone but Rex" the last two years.
Still looking for that link?
No one disagrees with that. No one. Your problem (as I've pointed out to you before) is that you crave simplicity - you need there to be one and only one answer, and you enforce that need with insults and snark. Isn't it possible that it's BOTH the players and the coaches, sometimes?
Insults? Hmm.
Also, I find it curious that in all of this I'm the one with one note to play.
Is there anything in particular you'd rather I clarify in this thread?
That defense of Dick Jauron back in the day was classic TBC. Then the inevitable pivot occurred and it was on to defending Gailey and crew.
I am 100% vindicated in what I said then about Dick Jauron and the putrid talent he had on both sides of the ball to work with. That the man even made it to 7-9 is beyond miraculous.
Players make plays. Would you prefer I link to the abominations we called rosters in those days?
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Nice to see you violently closing ranks around the new coaching staff, which you will vehemently defend against any shred of criticism until they too have proven themselves inept - it's the pattern you have followed for every coaching staff I can remember. You're just a pro-management bully.
Why not actually engage Dave's points?
Players make plays and we don't have the most important player.
You're damn right I'm consistent.
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How about abandoning the constant snark and insults? Seriously - you're a good poster and you make good points, but it's off putting and tedious. Why do you think a pro set coordinator is the way to go? (Please don't insult me by saying that I don't know what I'm talking about). There's an argument for it, and I'd like to hear it, but with reference to the peculiar context that is the Bills' current roster.
We ran mostly pro set under GRo. And with dual threats at RB and with a re-engaged Felton, it complements our personnel. From what Sal tweeted earlier today, Olson is adaptable in his scheme, so I'm not sure why we're worried about what he's run elsewhere.
I don't profess to know what will or won't work. And I'm calling BS on everybody who does namely because we have no f'ing clue who the QB will be.
The only preference I have for any kind of coaching is a guy who is not married to his scheme. For me, this is more important to the offense than the defense because of how personnel can change week to week.
All I care about is we have a guy who makes the opposing defense account for Watkins, Clay and Shady on every play. And I want a quarterback who can read and distribute the ball on time and to a spot.
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Is there anyone we would look at in college who might be interested in making the transition? I mean, at this point I don't see the harm in beating the bushes. You might hit Greg Olson while you are at it.
Our first-time HC has garnered praise for surrounding himself with seeking experienced assistants. If that is indeed is strategy, I don't think this scenario is feasible, though I'm not opposed to it.
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Why don't you read what I wrote above? I know enough about Olsen and have seen enough of his offenses to know that he comes from the cookie cutter school of pro-set coordinators. They work great in certain settings. He hasn't proved himself anywhere, though, so he never gets to go to the settings where his style can shine. (Kevin Gilbride sucked in Buffalo and SD, but he got the Giants job because he had PROVED himself in Houston and Jax.) But desperate head coaches don't want to look incompetent by not running a pro-set offense, so he gets hired (usually by the worst franchises in the league at the time: Jax, Oakland) because there ain't anybody else.
Your self-ascribed expertise does not deter my skepticism.
Especially when you want to argue that QB rating tells you everything you need to know about a passing offense.
Engage the point. You (fairly) keep asking everyone else to back up claims, but you don't seem willing to respond when the people you're debating do.
Where can I clarify?
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I don't know your stance on DVOA, but our pass offense ranked 19th in DVOA as well. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff
Also inflated by not throwing INT's.
Throwing only 7 INT's is great.
Throwing only 7 INT's when you also only throw 17 TD's is a whole lotta bleeeeeeeeeeeeh.
Childress & Olson Both Reported as Out for Bills' OC
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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