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Did the downgrade come before or after they voted on the debt ceiling/"deficit reduction" bill? Assuming deficit reduction needed to be part of any debt ceiling plan, what plan did the democrats have for that? What was Obama's plan?
I'll give that Obama was sketchy at what he wanted to cut in spending, but it was reported that he was offering upwards of 3 trillion for 1 trillion in revenue. Which was denied by the right. The downgrade came after the vote, however the inefficiency of congress and their weak deal did play a part of the decision.
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Your right the unions in charge of providing public services who are funded by taxpayers should be able to hold taxpayers hostage making them pay wages, benefits, retirements that far exceed private sector counterparts which lead to bankrupting municipalities and high taxes for the people who are stuck footing the bill. But hey its just politics and in the name of fairness right?!?
But it's mildly encouraging that even with all the democrats fear mongering and scare tactics about feeding grandma dogfood and then wheeling her out to the curb were largely ignored for common sense solutions and reigning in out of control budgets and unsustainable spending.
I read this found a few things interesting... A) taxpayers do not fund unions. The members do. B) You are simply one of those people who say "they get all of that in their benefits package and I don't, it'd not fair". Keep in mind that those same union members have been giving concessions and paying more towards their benefits. Funny how that is forgotten or just tossed aside.
The best part is that you label democrats with fear mongering and scare tactics. Did you forget "Death Panels"? I also love how it's all about spending. Spending is just part of the problem and is something that every Democrat worries about. Fact of the matter is that there should be spending on the countries infrastructure. That in itself would create jobs. The other part that Republicans will never touch is revenue. Revenue HAS to be addressed IF they are truly serious about getting this country moving again.
http://walker.wi.gov/journal_media_detail.asp?prid=5676&locid=177
This sort of disproves your statement, now doesn't it?
Oh my god you got that from Walkers own website. HAHAHAHA!!!
How about:
Kucinich (0:43): Let me ask you about some of the specific provisions in your proposal to strip collective bargaining rights. First, your proposal would require unions to hold annual votes to continue representing their own members. Can you please explain to me and members of this committee how much money this provision saves for your state budget?
Walker (1:07):That and a number of other provisions we put in because if you are going to ask, if you are going to put in place a change like that, we wanted to make sure that we protected the worker's of our state so they had a right to know what kind of value they got out of it. It's the same reason we gave worker's the right to choose, which is a fundamental America right, the right to choose whether or not they want to be a part of a union, and whether they went up to a thousand--
Kucinich (1:26): Would you answer the question? How much money does it save Governor? Just answer the question.
Walker: It doesn't save any.
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Pat Murray and Kerry both Named to the Super Debt Panel to reduce the National debt.
Ok, Murray who is a super lefty and Kerry who just got done calling the S&P downgrade the Tea Party downgrade were both appointed by Harry Reid. Well, that was a big let down. I think we know how this is gonna end.
All very well qualified.
Patty Murray - On the U.S. Senate Committee on the Budget
John Kerry - Committee on Foreign Relations
Max Baucus - Chairman Committee on Finance
Let's see who the Republicans announce. By the way, who did you want there? And let's face it the downgrade was in part due to the inaction of Congress. Who held the talks back? The Tea Party. Just a fact.
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Is America finally waking up to the public union scam?
All the corrupt, big union dollars couldn't cover up the fiscal train wreck public unions have caused in Wisconsin.
HAHAHAHA... yeah, that union scam. Protect workers, fight for better pay and working conditions. Those horrible unions. HAHAHA!!
Best part is that even after Walker admitted Collective Bargaining has nothing to do with their fiscal problems you still believe it to be true. Moron.
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Here let me try something:
Maybe if the libtard communist union groups would just stop insisting on so much, things would be so much better.
Do I feel any better having said that?
Hmmm,
not really.
Wow, the "Libtard Communist Union Groups". Just sad to even write that.
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From Dreams From My Father:
"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."
From Dreams From My Father :
"I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."
From Dreams From My Father:
"There was something about her that made me wary, a little too sure of herself, maybe and white."
From Dreams From My Father:
"It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."
From Dreams From My Father:
"I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself: the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."
From Audacity of Hope:
"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
So funny how those quotes are taken as negative or dumb. Just hilarious. Maybe we should do this to Reagan and the Bushes. Introducing "Deep Thoughts"...
"Facts are stupid things."
— Ronald Reagan
"You can tell a lot about a fellow's character by his way of eating jellybeans."
— Ronald Reagan
"I do not like broccoli. And I haven't liked it since I was a little kid and my mother made me eat it. And I'm President of the United States and I'm not going to eat any more broccoli."
— George H. W. Bush
""It's no exaggeration to say the undecideds could go one way or another."
— George H. W. Bush
""Fluency in English is something that I'm often not accused of."
— George H. W. Bush
"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror."
— George W. Bush
"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president."
— George W. Bush
"Do you have blacks, too?"
— George W. Bush
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Damn. Miss the Soviet Union much? geeze. This country was created to get away from people exactly like you. How about, if it weren't for the guy who makes 400k the 45k guy wouldn't have a job. Especially if he depends on the government to give it to him.
I agree the US system isn't perfect but its as close as any other society has come. And leftist have been trying to "improve" it for 80 years or so. Look where its got us.
I find this funny. It's the same ol' crap. If it wasn't for the guy making the decisions (making $400k) the other guy wouldn't be anything. People have to remember the guy making $400k also isn't doing the down and dirty work which in many cases keeps a company moving. Same thing can also be said that the guy making $400k can also be the one who F's over other workers by making bad decisions.
Not sure why the Soviet Union relates to someone saying that we can always be better. That should be a common goal for everyone. So in your mind the U.S. system is very close to being perfect and should never be improved upon. Makes sense.
As the world moves forward the "perfect" system is the one which is making changes, adapting and moving forward. Trying to be the best, not just preserving the past. -
"We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."
Very constructive dialogue, right...
Right. Just as bad as holding the debt ceiling deal hostage. Horrible on both accounts... well except one was simply words, the other actions.
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Decisions made by Carter and Clinton had a lot to do with this economy too. The fact remains that we have gone downhill very fast since the "Annointed One" took office. Wouldn't you agree? Obama and his "big oil" buddies must be in collusion since gas prices have more than doubled in the last two years. I bet he has a deal with the gold miners too. It's possible he might even be in cohoots with the company that prints food stamps! It's probably all the evil Biden's fault though. Maybe Obama is just his little sock puppet and does his bidding.
We could sit here all day long and pick bad policies from President Carter all the way through to Obama. The fact still remains that the true economic slide was starting right before he took office... so again to blame everything on him is dumb.
To play your blame game.... Are you forgetting that gas prices skyrocketed after Katrina and never came back down? Was that Obama's fault? Are you forgetting unfunded wars and tax cuts? Was that lost revenue and spending all Obama's fault? Are you blaming Obama for the Tea Party holding the debt ceiling talks hostage? Blaming Obama for the Republican filibusters in the first two years? I will admit that there are MANY things he hasn't done well. However I will also admit that most of the time he is also fighting back or having his hands tied by the Right.
Point is AGAIN, this country is in it's current state because of MANY bad decisions. Not all of which were Obama's. If you can't see that then you have issues.
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Is it 74000 now? Number seems to keep going up every time it's reported - at this rate, WTOP's going to be reporting that the entire planet is out of work twice-over because the FAA isn't funded.
It is ridiculous, though.
Last I heard it was 74,000.
Of course Obama isn't all to blame. He has had lots of help from his liberal/dem/leftist retards in the first two years of this friggen nightmare. They controlled all the houses.
Again think bigger... this problem started A LONG time ago. Didn't happen in 2 years.
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It's simple, if you are making more than pBrain you are rich and not paying your fair share.
Again... proving how brilliant you are and why nothing can get done in this country.
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So, I wasted time showing how much worse things have gotten in the last couple of years? Don't you care? Aren't you worried about all those poor brethren out there trying to make a go of it? Are you such a cold hearted liberal that straight politics takes precedence over compassion? You worry me pBrain, if you are this complacent who is going to tell the rest of us how and on who we should spend our money?
First off, every Democrat is not a liberal. You should know that right?
Secondly of course I care. But to simply blame everything on Obama is flat out stupid. The economic problem our country is in started a LONG time ago. Decisions made by both Bush and Obama have either created problems or are not helping. Hopefully something will help soon. So to place a post like this that blames one side, yes is a waste of time. Something of which is a great example of why nothing gets done in Washington, DC.
If you want to bicker about something bicker about the overall picture... if that's to much go issue by issue. One great place to start is what's going on with the FAA. 74,000 people out of work right now because of politics. Ridiculous.
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Worked for health care.
Please they attempted to discuss Healthcare and nothing.
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It's Bush's Fault!
After two years, ... Here's your change!
January 2009
TODAY
% chg
Source
Avg. Retail price/gallon gas in U.S.
$1.83
$3.95
115.8%
1
Crude oil, European Brent (barrel)
$43.48
$99.02
127.7%
2
Crude oil, West TX Inter. (barrel)
$38.74
$91.38
135.9%
2
Gold: London (per troy oz.)
$853.25
$1,504.50
90.5%
2
Corn, No..2 yellow, Central IL
$3.56
$6.33
78.1%
2
Soybeans, No. 1 yellow, IL
$9.66
$13.75
42.3%
2
Sugar, cane, raw, world, lb. Fob
$13.37
$35.39
164.7%
2
Unemployment rate, non-farm, overall
7.6%
9.4%
23.7%
3
Unemployment rate, blacks
12.6%
15.8%
25.4%
3
Number of unemployed
11,616,000
14,485,000
24.7%
3
Number of fed. Employees
2,779,000
2,840,000
2.2%
3
Real median household income
$50,112
$49,777
-0.7%
4
Number of food stamp recipients
31,983,716
43,200,878
35.1%
5
Number of unemployment benefit recipients
7,526,598
9,193,838
22.2%
6
Number of long-term unemployed
2,600,000
6,400,000
146.2%
3
Poverty rate, individuals
13.2%
14.3%
8.3%
4
People in poverty in U.S.
39,800,000
43,600,000
9.5%
4
U.S. Rank in Economic Freedom World Rankings
5
9
n/a
10
Present Situation Index
29.9
23.5
-21.4%
11
Failed banks
140
164
17.1%
12
U.S. Dollar versus Japanese yen exchange rate
89.76
82.03
-8.6%
2
U.S. Money supply, M1, in billions
1,575.1
1,865.7
18.4%
13
U.S. Money supply, M2, in billions
8,310.9
8,852.3
6.5%
13
National debt, in trillions
$10.627
$14.052
32.2%
14
Just take this last item: In the last two years we have accumulated national debt at a rate more than 27 times as fast as during the rest of our entire nation's history.
Over 27 times as fast. Metaphorically speaking, if you are driving in the right lane doing 65 MPH and a car rockets past you in the left lane.
27 times faster, it would be doing 1755 MPH!
Sources:
(1) U.S. Energy Information Administration; (2) Wall Street Journal; (3) Bureau of Labor Statistics; (4) Census Bureau; (5) USDA; (6) U.S. Dept. Of Labor;
(7) FHFA; (8) Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller; (9) RealtyTrac; (10) Heritage Foundation and WSJ; (11) The Conference Board; (12) FDIC;
(13) Federal Reserve; (14) U..S. Treasury
THE PRESIDENCY
SOME WILL APPRECIATE THIS AND SOME WILL NOT.
HOWEVER, ALL OF IT IS TRUE.
So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in one half of a term. Unless God intervenes, he’ll have a second half --- but PLEASE, GOD! Don’t give him a second term!
OH MY GOD!! That is the funniest Bush posting EVER!!! As ridiculous as it is for someone to say it's all Bush's fault, it's just as bad for you to say it's all Obama's fault. Sad thing is that you actually wasted time posting that.
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It's been a long time since I've written on this forum, but this morning, I heard Ms. Pelosi talk about the rich not "giving one red cent" to help those in need. Over the past several years, I've had many discussions with my business partner who is an extreme liberal. Whenever he says that the rich need to pay their "fair share", it drives me nuts. Would somone please define "fair share", how "fair" is defined, and who is it that decides what "fair" is for the taxpayer? (My business partner cannot answer this, by the way. Whenever I ask him these questions, he gets made, says "I don't get it", and storms away.)
A certain party has been and is proposing cutting social programs, changing benefits, etc., etc. that clearly affect the middle-class and lower without addressing upper-class. That to many is not fair. How is it that they can alter all of this yet not ask the other group not to do anything?
Because, really, people that advocate "fairness" think it'll make everyone well off. It never occurs to them that it would drop everyone to the same level.
Personally I do not think it's about being on the same level it's about having the same opportunities.
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They have a philosophy, so what? Your liberals in Congress have one too-----------"My way or the Hi-way" if you have the votes. If not, it's "let's compromise".
I'm not necessarily trying to contradict you. All I'm saying is that you can like the sausage without knowing everything that goes into it.
Yeah, their philosophy was F everything until we get our way. They just proved it. That is NOT the way to govern.
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Charity doesn't count; people don't help people, only government helps people [/idiotic uber-liberal mantra]
My point...
Of course Charity counts. Charity also doesn't cover everything. Reforming social programs is fine, making them a bit stricter is fine. Cutting the programs down a ton helps no one.
Now this leadership that should be banned from office. Just goes to show that they will tell you one thing (were not taking anything hostage) and yet they do another. Disgusting.
McConnell Admits To Taking Debt Ceiling ‘Hostage’: It’s ‘Worth Ransoming’ | In a stunning bit of candor, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) admitted in the Washington Post today that his party had taken the debt ceiling “hostage,” and that some of his colleagues were willing to “shoot[]” it:
“I think some of our members may have thought the default issue was a hostage you might take a chance at shooting,” he said. “Most of us didn’t think that. What we did learn is this — it’s a hostage that’s worth ransoming. And it focuses the Congress on something that must be done.”
The Post added that McConnell “said he could imagine doing this again.” Indeed, he has promised he will do so.
The Tea Party, what utter morons.
Our Philosophy
Tea Party Patriots, Inc. as an organization believes in the Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government, and Free Markets. Tea Party Patriots, Inc. is a non-partisan grassroots organization of individuals united by our core values derived from the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States of America, the Bill Of Rights as explained in the Federalist Papers. We recognize and support the strength of grassroots organization powered by activism and civic responsibility at a local level. We hold that the United States is a republic conceived by its architects as a nation whose people were granted "unalienable rights" by our Creator. Chiefly among these are the rights to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Tea Party Patriots stand with our founders, as heirs to the republic, to claim our rights and duties which preserve their legacy and our own. We hold, as did the founders, that there exists an inherent benefit to our country when private property and prosperity are secured by natural law and the rights of the individual. As an organization we do not take stances on social issues. We urge members to engage fully on the social issues they consider important and aligned with their beliefs.
So where does it say make all others follow their lead or else? Compromise is not an option?
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You are a tool if you think the wealthy politicians are going to make the tax code "fair" or raise taxes on the "rich" or get rid of exeptions.
And we will help people through hard times, not let them sit on their porch and do nothing for a lifetime.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html
I agree with that.. unless someone truly needs a handout or help. They shouldn't receive one, people do abuse the system. I have been saying all along moving tax rates back to where they were prior to the Bush Tax cuts would be a GREAT thing. I just wish Republicans could stand up to the Tea Party morons and let them know that Revenue IS going to have to addressed. Cutting spending is not the only answer... just part.
Conservatives are more charitable than liberals. See for yourself.
Yet, their the same people saying cut back on all social programs, etc., etc. Things that truly matter in people's lives. Ok.
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They would have to redefine "Rich" to be anyone earning anything.
Could TEA Party land have closed boarders with very tough immigration laws?
Obamaland = Cuba
Bottom line is the tax reform across the board HAS to happen. However, in the current situation removing the Bush Tax cuts SHOULD be done. Closing tax loop holes SHOULD be done. To say that they shouldn't... one would be a moron. Revenue is key. Also, if people are going to make changes in their lifestyle in order to get the country back in shape it should be all the way across the board. And yes, that does mean raising the tax rates on those who earn a million or more per year as well. Not lowering their rates like some suggest.
Tea Party land would be one closed off country. No one allowed in. The minute you have a hard time you're kicked out. Nice place to live. Guessing the motto would be "take care of yourself, F everyone else"
Tea Party Land = Fantasy Island
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Except that all the fat-cat jet-flying finance boogeymen will be in the extreme elsewhere, so who's Obamanation going to tax?
Tax reform is necessary and everyone should be taxed appropriately. I'm sure the Tea Party side would have lovely time keeping their government running since there will be no taxes.
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In my imaginary world, you are either Team Obama or Team Tea Party. You can't be in the middle.
The two sides decide to peacefully separate from each other forming two distinct nations.
The Obama Nation becomes a democracy with emphasis on social welfare. The Tea Party Nation becomes a constitutional republic with emphasis on free markets.
Which country would succeed in one year? 10 years? 100 years? Is there any question?
The funny thing about this is that people think the Obama / Democrat country will not be able to have a thriving economy. Both could do very well with an economy. Which means it comes down to the social aspect. Tea Party Country will have no social programs everyone is on their own. Whereas the Obama country will help it's fellow man/citizen when in need.
You don't even have to look that far,
Obama Nation = Detroit
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/16/detroits-unemployment-rat_n_394559.html
Tea Party Nation = North Dakota
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2011-03-16-north-dakota-census_N.htm
I have to laugh at this. The Tea Party... they will save the Country OR ELSE!!
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No doubt Military spending can and should be cut. I would much rather see cutting that down by a 1/3 if it could save school programs.
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You mean people who actually work for a living, take care of their children, and don't grovel to the government for handouts?
So not one Tea Party person accepts ANY government handout? Isn't a deadbeat dad? HAHAHA!!
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Color me skeptical as well. I'll believe it when I see it actually pass the House. I hope my stocks make some serious gains today, as they appear ready to do. I sold my NetSuit (N) Stock Friday in a close of the Market day thing and it rose almost 10% before it sold. It's profits rise when there is a weak dollar because of its large overseas workforce, so I bet it falls back today, but I (Cha-Ching!) banked that profit! Bought some Apple in its place. Can't go wrong there.
Politically, it was interestng to see the military budget appear to take a hit. I hope my Democrats don't have to vote for Entitlement cuts so those can be blamed all on the GOP and we can get both Houses of Congress back for Obama in 2012 going forward.
Color me skeptical as well. I'll believe it when I see it actually pass the House. I hope my stocks make some serious gains today, as they appear ready to do. I sold my NetSuit (N) Stock Friday in a close of the Market day thing and it rose almost 10% before it sold. It's profits rise when there is a weak dollar because of its large overseas workforce, so I bet it falls back today, but I (Cha-Ching!) banked that profit! Bought some Apple in its place. Can't go wrong there.
Politically, it was interestng to see the military budget appear to take a hit. I hope my Democrats don't have to vote for Entitlement cuts so those can be blamed all on the GOP and we can get both Houses of Congress back for Obama in 2012 going forward.
As of right now it many believe it won't. Which really says something about the Republican leaders. Entitlements will be huge next year during the election cycle. There's something to be said about being willing to make significant cuts to entitlements, yet having a hard time making defense spending cuts and of course not budging AT ALL on closing tax loop holes, etc. Politically it was a dumb move by the Right. I guess they will have to come up with the next Death Panel to scare senior citizens to vote their way again.
HELLO WISCONSIN!
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Exactly. People yell and scream about Obama's Hope & Change campaign and in many cases rightfully so. However the Tea Party republicans ran on the same philosophy and the creation of jobs. Where are those jobs?
No moral victory here.