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11 hours ago, Low Positive said:
I’m still trying to figure out who this is. My money is on @HOUSE. In any case, it is a masterful multi-year troll job and I’m here for it.
It's Mangini, he just can't quit the Jets even after all these years. So he goes on other AFC East teams message boards trying to relive the days they called him Mangenius in NY.
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1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said:
EJ was better statistically than Josh in every passing metric through their first year. Literally yards per game, tds, interceptions, completion percentage, not sure how you think Josh looked better though his first 8 games, EJ progressively did less and less because Marrone told him to not lose games. Josh was allowed to grow and finally had a good game as a QB vs Miami in final game of season. Your love of Marrone makes you unaware of even the most basic statistics.
This is your problem: you're buried in stats. Meanwhile, those of us who watched both of them play every week could see a huge difference between Josh & EJ ON THE FIELD. Rookie Josh played behind one of the worst O-lines in team history and maybe had the worst group of WRs too. Robert Foster was the team's best receiver and after 2018 disappeared. Of course ,statistically Josh looked bad, but in the real world, On the field, there was no comparison. EJ would have been lucky to win 2 games with that horrible offense. Josh won half the games he started and finished.
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5 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:
Interesting topic, thank you OP.
We've had some doozy’s during the famine and thus deserved to be terrible. I think of all these disaster coaches, Marone would have been most detrimental for Josh. All the other shleppers would have realized quickly what we have in him and committed to providing him players to capitalize on his talents -even Rex.
But ‘Moron’ would have been jealous and try to derail him, imo.
I can't buy that. I never saw Marrone as jealous of his players. I saw him as a selfish guy who quickly realized EJ wasn't the answer & played Orton because he knew EJ was going to make him look bad & he wanted to look as good as possible, especially since he knew he could bail. As soon as Orton retired Marrone had no intention of sticking around & going down with EJ as his QB. If Marrone had Josh, he would have had a long career as Bills coach, and seeing him in practice every day would have never bailed.
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9 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:
If the Bills had drafted Allen under Marrone we never get to the point where Josh is Josh. Marrone made sure EJ Manuel never had a chance to grow, and Josh would have sucked his first 3 games and never seen the field again. We seem to forget that Josh was AWFUL his first 6 games, so bad even I thought we might have screwed up drafting him. And before anyone thinks I am saying EJ was gonna be similar to Josh, I am simply saying EJ was better his first few games than Josh but was never shown how to grow at all
Josh was not awful in his 1st 6 games. I remember the Bills dominating Minnesota as double-digit underdogs in Josh's 2nd career start. I also saw a lot from his 1st season behind no O-line & making a guy like Robert Foster look like a real NFL WR. As a rookie, I saw glimpses of greatness in rookie Josh that EJ Manuel never showed. Also Josh started 11 games including one he got hurt that Peterman blew, and it was almost miraculous that he willed a bad team to 5 wins in the the 10 games he started & finished.
Here's another thing. In 2019 I was so confident in Josh I bet Bills futures before the season and won all my futures bets including the Bills making the playoffs. (You can look it up in the archives). Meanwhile when EJ announced that he was setting up stock in himself, I said I wish I had the money to short his stock after seeing him play.
Maybe EJ looked better on paper, but on the field as rookies, Josh towered over EJ.
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I'll never understand the love for Chan. The guy was a horrible head coach. He lost me forever when he punted from the opponent's 34 yard line.
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I met him once at the gate at St. Francis High when his son Kyle (now assistant GM in Atlanta) was playing HS football. He showed me his AFC Championship ring.
The reason I was at the gate was I used to go to all the Bills home games and my friend whose house I'd stay at was a teacher at St. Francis and enlisted me to work the gate with him at some of the Red Raiders home games. After AJ left to be GM in San Diego my friend had a minor heart attack and AJ heard about it & sent him a get well card from SD. Classy guy.
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Now we know why Bill Belichick didn't get another coaching job.
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2 hours ago, bigK14094 said:
I remember his first name as Joel. Good coach, I had hoped he would stay longer.
That's his real 1st name, but he hated losing so much he dropped the L.
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1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:
Not really. Just about all of the franchise QBs have their 5th year option picked up. The extensions signed in year 3 get put on AFTER
the 5th. Josh and Mahomes (as examples) had 5th year options picked up.
That's just a formality, they don't go into season 5 on their 5th year option. Only when they've missed significant time like Lamar Jackson is a QB left hanging by an organization that wants him.
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4 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:
And in an odd and obviously tragic coincidence, two of the four fastest players committed vehicular manslaughter.
Where do you think the expression "Speed Kills" came from? 😎
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4 hours ago, Bruffalo said:
5th option matters for QBs and arguably EDGE, but I agree with what you're saying generally.
Actually, for QBs it's rarely used. If the player is a franchise QB, he gets extended after year 3, like Josh and many others. Only the QBs who have an injury history get the 5th year option. Meanwhile, the QB busts get jettisoned. Look at 2021: 4 QBs in the top 15 got dumped before the team even had to consider the 5th year option.
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16 hours ago, LabattBlue said:
Very puzzling to give up the 5th year of player control for what?
The player is either good enough to extend or not worth 1 more year with the 5th year option. What did the Bills really accomplish by using the 5th year option on Edmunds & then letting him walk? The goal is to get a guy who will earn a 2nd contract, not just 1 more year before he leaves because the team had to make a decision after his 3rd season.
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2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
Except at receiver
he's absolutely atrocious at evaluating receiver.
That's ridiculous. The only time Beane used a high pick on a WR was trading a #1 for Diggs. Meanwhile, most of Beane's WR picks have outplayed their draft position. Just because he signed some #3s & #4s, to back up his top WRs, who didn't do much doesn't mean much when compared with his draft picks or picks used for trade.
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2 hours ago, billsfan714 said:
How did Sammy Watkins work out? Or JP Losman.
JP Losman was the result of Donahoe not having the guts to offer enough to get into the top 10 and draft the QB he really wanted, Ben Roethlisberger. If Donahoe had offered enough to move up from 13, as Beane did later to move from 12 to 7, Bills history would be drastically different.
So, by including JP Losman, you are supporting trading up. NOT trading up earlier in the draft was the problem, not the panic move for Losman when Donahoe lost out on Roethlisberger.
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17 minutes ago, SoTier said:
This "epic" trade scenario is the stupidest idea that I've ever seen on TSW. The Biils won the NFL equivalent of a $500 million Powerball lottery in 2018. Trading away a generational QB talent in his prime makes absolutely no sense in the modern NFL with free agency and the salary cap forcing frequent player personnel turn over.
How hard is it to find a truly great NFL QB? I bolded the first round QBs in the list below who I think are/were about equal with Josh Allen, which would be Rodgers and Mahomes. I used red for the 2 QBs who have had significant injuries that derailed or may derail their pro careers. Even if you include Luck and Burrow, the first round of 20 drafts have yielded only 5 what might be considered "generational QBs". That's less than 8% of the QBs taken in the first round. There were numerous franchise QBs who were very good and fewer who are/were close to great for a time, and a handful of likely HOFers. Rodgers, Mahomes and Allen, however, are on a level above any NFL QBs who have played in their prime in the 21st century except for Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
Here are 20 years of the 66 first round QBs in this century who have finished their rookies contracts:
2001 ... 1 ... Michael Vick
2002 ... 1 ... David Carr 3 ... Joey Harrington
2003 ... 1 ... Carson Palmer 7 ... Byron Leftwich 19 ... Kyle Boller 22 ... Rex Grossman
2004 ... 1 ... Eli Manning 4 ... Philip Rivers 11 ... Ben Roethlisberger 22 .. JP Losman
2005 ... 1 ... Alex Smith 24 ... Aaron Rodgers 32 ... Jason Campbell
2006 ... 3 ... Vince Young 10 ... Matt Leinart 11 ... Jay Cutler
2007 ... 1 ... JaMarcus Russell 22 ... Brady Quinn
2008 ... 3 ... Matt Ryan 18 ... Joe Flacco
2009 ... 1 ... Matthew Stafford 5 ... Mark Sanchez 17 ... Josh Freeman
2010 ... 1 ... Sam Bradford 25 ... Tim Tebow
2011 ... 1 ... Cam Newton 8 ... Jake Locker 10 ... Blaine Gabbert 12 ... Christian Ponder
2012 ... 1 ... Andrew Luck 2 ... Robert Griffin 8 ... Ryan Tannehill 22 ... Brandon Weeden
2013 ... 16 ... EJ Manuel
2014 ... 3 ... Blake Bortles 22 ... Johnny Manziel 32 ... Teddy Bridgewater
2015 ... 1 ... Jameis Winston 2 ... Marcus Mariota
2016 ... 1 ... Jared Goff 2 ... Carson Wentz 26 ... Paxton Lynch
2017 ... 2 ... Mitch Trubisky 10 ... Patrick Mahomes 12 ... Deshaun Watson
2018 ... 1 ... Baker Mayfield 3 ... Sam Darnold 7 ... Josh Allen 10 ... Josh Rosen 32 ... Lamar Jackson
2019 ... 1 ... Kyler Murray 6 ... Daniel Jones 15 ... Dwayne Haskins
2020 ... 1 ... Joe Burrow 5 ... Tua Tagovailoa 6 ... Justin Herbert 26 ... Jordan Love
How could you not include JP Losman & EJ Manuel among the generational QBs? 😁
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19 hours ago, Warcodered said:
I'm starting to notice a pattern.
The Giants were thinking of signing OJ, but that dream ended before they could write the contract.
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11 hours ago, LeGOATski said:
First ballot HOFer
1st HOF acceptance speech in a tinfoil hat. He might even want a tinfoil jacket.
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The only March Madness for me is that I can't watch the TV programs that it preempts on CBS. I don't do brackets because I know nothing about college basketball. I have no rooting interest since I have no affiliation with any of the teams that are playing. The only time a team from Albany or a city I've lived in in the past is in the tournament, it's one of the bottom seeds & exits quickly.
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1 hour ago, papazoid said:
beane got great value for a 1 yr rental
this other discussion revolves around some who think that because it's a 2025 2nd round pick....that its only worth half as much as if it was a 2024 2nd round pick....which i do not believe
Similar value when Beane traded Sammy Watkins as a 1 year rental by the Rams. He used that pick as part of the trade up for Josh Allen.
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5 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
interesting whether true or false who knows
Austin Proehl's brother is one of the contestants on American Idol. I think the real source is Simon Cowell.
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If Rex Ryan was the coach the Bills would have drafted Deshaun Watson instead of trading the pick to KC in 2017. Then there would have been the double scandal of massage therapists having Watson exposing himself & rubbing against them while Ryan fondled their feet.
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Most of the players listed above were at the end of their careers. I looked at it more as what players went on to bigger & better things after they left. Top 2 are Wyatt Teller & Jason Peters, with Marshawn Lynch not far behind. Guys retire or get let go or leave in free agency, all as part of the business. But my top 3 were given away for pennies on the dollar & flourished in their new locations.
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Years ago, there was the Olof Paril hoax that had a story of an offensive line prospect that the Bills were interested in. I think it originated out of Rochester. At one point there was word that one of the other NFL teams actually believed it and wanted more information on him before the draft. Eventually it was revealed that Olof Paril was an anagram for April Fool.
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1 hour ago, Jerry Jabber said:
Wade Phillips got a Defenders TD reversed by challenging a play, by which the RT moved early. TD was called back and the Defenders got a False Start penalty.
The same RT got ejected on that play for spitting on the opponent.
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Historical Fiction: How would drought coaches have fared with Josh Allen?
in The Stadium Wall
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I'm not talking for anyone else but myself. I thought Josh was good in 2018 playing with horrible teammates on offense. I thought Josh was the long-term answer in 2018 because he was elevating the team to victories that most other QBs, especially the QBs of the drought years, couldn't do.
I'm never going to be a fan of QB stats. I believe I can evaluate a QB a lot better watching him play than looking at a bunch of stats.
I'll repeat what I've said through the years: There's a reason the pros look at film every week. Play on the field tells the story, not the stat sheet. If stats were so great, players & coaches would never spend as much time as they do looking at film. Instead at team meetings the coaches would hand out stat sheets & say "Go get 'em, boys!"