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The 3rd down conversions may come at the worst possible times in the games for us.....but it is bs to say we give them away like gumdrops. At the moment we are 9th in the league in 3rd down conversions(percentage). This is against the #5, #14, #1 & #12 ranked offenses. ....or.... ....the #7, #20, #2 & #23 ranked offensively in 3rd down conversions.

In regards to depth on the lines....try as we might(and they certainly have tried), we have been unable to acquire starter caliber players let alone decent backups as well. This comes back IMO to talent evaluation......and/or coaching.

Hi all I haven't been posting much lately(waaaay too busy with work) but I have been lurking on occasion. (I hope some here have missed me ) Personally I agree with an expanded system......but I believe there should be 2 post counts. One for the main page of TSW.....and another for all other forums(Off the Wall, PPP, etc).

If they both lined up on the right then who would be on the left?

The difference with some of this draft is that we drafted an interior OLman in the 1st round. Interior 1st round OLmen never bust.....it hasn't happened in about 20 years. Also.....the 2nd round interior OLmen have a much lower bust rate than other positions. I expect Wood to be at least a solid starter for years to come. Maybin on the other hand......50/50. I think talent analysis for OGs & Cs must be much easier than for all other positions. Personally I'm elated that we went OL interior early.

Thanks for that Dean....I stopped at Harris because I couldn't find him. Didn't look under Safety.

I don't know if this has been posted.....and I'm not sure it deserves a new thread.....but Pro Football Weekly has the Bills drafted players ranked extremely high on their draft boards. #1 DE Aaron Maybin #2 C(but equally rated) Eric Wood #5 CB Jarius Byrd(would rate as the #2 Safety) #1 OG Andy Levitre #3 TE Shawn Nelson If PFW analysis of talent holds, this has been a very good draft for the Bills

Exciting pick. The Bills have Wood.

Again....let me get this straight. Because Lynch will miss the first 2-3 games, we should draft a QB??? I guess you meant "A rookie can come out and make a difference straight away.".....but you surely realize that the chances of that happening are minimal. .....and we should do all this.....with our fingers crossed that the rookie will shine......to cover 2-3 games of missing a player???

In 1980 in Australia there was a very successful skin protection campaign put out by the government.

I can't believe you are being serious.....have you been drinking? Let me get this straight.....because we are without one of best offensive players for the first 2-3 games of the season we should draft offensively to compensate? That's ridiculous. Not only would it be extraordinary for any rookie to be able to step in from week one and make a significant difference.....but the whole concept of focusing valuable draft resources at an extreme short term situation is unheard of.

2/26/2007: Signed a four-year, $23 million contract. The deal included an $8 million signing bonus and initial roster bonus of $3 million. 2009: $3 million, 2010: $3.7 million, 2011: Free Agent clumpy's page We will save $3mil($3.6mil if the bonus hasn't been paid yet....from clumpy's page).

I totally agree about the historical differences between the two countries. I mentioned earlier that I believe that firm gun control would not have any significant effect due to the existing proliferation of guns in society. To me the discussion doesn't really have anything to do with 'freedoms'. Living in any society hinders the individuals rights to 'do as they please'.....or put another way.....hinders their freedoms. Our freedoms are restricted in many, many ways and for many varied reasons. We cannot walk around in a public place naked. Over here we cannot have a pool without a child proof safety fence around it. We cannot tinker with biological or explosive material. We cannot travel on planes carrying whatever we want. We cannot determine the maturity level of our own children. We cannot take any drug we chose. We cannot drive how we like nor be under the influence of drugs. etc, etc, etc, etc. IMO the freedoms are not greater in the US than over here.....though not exactly lesser either. Just different. Over here we are not subjected to as many minority influences controlling the laws of the land(state). Censorship is less, political correctness is not as influential, police powers are not as strong......basically all of the important freedoms To boil 'freedoms' down to basically "I should be allowed to own a gun....and any one I chose" is not a good measure of freedom.

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I think his money level speaks for itself. In the FA market he got himself a $5.75mil/year deal......which translates to solid/good starter at the position.....not elite.....not simply serviceable.

He still is making quite a bit. $5.6mil this year. $2mil is amortized bonus so that is already paid & he has $3mil in salary & $600k in bonus(not paid yet?). Ignoring the amortized SB money.....I guess it boils down to whether we can get another player who will play definitely better for around $3-4mil a year.

Do you mean actual dollars or cap dollars? Either way.....we'd save $3.6mil in cap or cash savings if we cut him at this point. We only save $400k under the cap by cutting Dockery(over $5mil cash saving though).

I don't have an opinion on how good/bad the Bills rate Crabtree.....or if they would/should draft him if he 'falls' to the #11. What I find astounding is how many people seem to think that any draftee let alone a WR will definitely become a superstar or pro bowler. #2 Charles Rogers #3 Braylon Edwards #4 Peter Warrick #7 Troy Williamson #7 Roy Williams #8 David Terrell #9 Reggie Williams #9 Koren Robinson #10 Mike Williams #10 Travis Taylor

I've figured the problem here. NFL records require 75 attempts min. for a career average. Cason had 67 attempts in his career so therefore doesn't qualify for the official NFL record. RP has an astounding 94 returns and has maintained that average. Mind you.....as we saw with Hester.....one bad season can drag the average way back down again.

Yeah....probably.

Actually.....as has been pointed out earlier in the thread.....Hester hasn't successfully doubled up on duties as a WR and PR. In his first two seasons he didn't start a game as WR. In his third he only started 8 out of his 15 games. His PR average dropped massively from 15.5 to 6.2 when he was used more as a WR.

I'm having to disagree with swede316 on a lot of what he thinks on this topic..... It is generally 'not easy' getting a gun in Australia....particularly metropolitan areas. There are rigorous background, psych & knowledge testing. Also, 'reason' for purchasing a gun is an important factor here....hence easier getting a rifle or shotgun in rural areas. There are 30 day waiting times to reduce the 'impulse' purchases of guns. The type of gun is also heavily restricted.....why would anyone need a semi-auto apart from simply wanting one? There is however a bit of a 'gun culture' in Australia(though nowhere near as much as the US) due to our historically settlement/bush background. The UK for instance has a much lesser 'gun culture' and as I understand it they have far fewer guns per capita than Australia. Generally though, there are very few gun related incidents. Most gun incidents are caused by nutjobs or by organized crime(usually against other organized crime). Sure, when there is a spate of incidents(as there has been recently with the bikey gangs), people react on their fears.....but having easier gun access is never going to stop the organized criminals nor protect one from the crossfire. Interestingly, several years back there was a spate of knife/machete incidents in suburbia by certain elements of the youth/gangs. This lead to a hardening of 'blade' laws which......funnily enough.....led to the reduction in blade attacks. Unfortunately in the US(as I see it), guns have become so ingrained in society & so easily accessed(both legally & illegally) that restrictions on guns would not have a substantial effect(at least for the short-medium term)......though that is no reason to not introduce them. Over here a home invasion is virtually never committed by someone with a gun. The burglar simply breaks in & robs the place....and if confronted usually scarpers or at worst bashes someone a bit. In the US, that same burglar could easily be carrying a gun. In a panic that gun is easy to use & to kill. Basically.....in answer to your question.....I don't know the stats but.....gun deaths/injuries are extremely low here & the overall murder rate here would be a lot lower than in the US. Obviously the accidental deaths/injury would be lesser as well. In terms of punishment.....as in every country, there seems to be little logic as to the severity of some crimes over others etc, etc. In regards to guns, there is I believe fairly strong penalties for having illegal guns(or weapons in general). I'm pretty sure however that the punishment for using a gun is the same as for any other 'deadly weapon'. Studies have shown that strong punishments do not work as a deterrent. Criminals either don't believe they will be caught.....or don't care if they are caught. Very few people who think "I'll go kill that bastard" or "I'll rob that store 'cause I need my drugs" are going to pause and say "Wait a minute.....the penalty for doing that is really high....I'd better not do it."

Who have you got in front of him? As far as I can tell, RPs career PR avg. is #1 of all time.....not #2. Apart from all the great arguments in this thread showing how ridiculous it would be for us to trade him......the Bills have been generally garbage for years. As a fan, it is sooooo nice to be able to say that we have "The best of all time" on the roster. That alone fends off self mutilation thoughts when talking football with fans of more successful teams. Roscoe is worth more to me as a fan than any miss/hit/miss 2nd round pick.....or any 'solid' starter that we could trade him for.