todd

I don't think you can look at this in a vacum. It's like chanrging someone for speeding even though they were on the way to the hospital with their pregnant wife. Cant' do that. You have to look at choices. I'd say the first two years he did very well. Considering when he inherited the team and the Bills were double-digits over the cap with only 34 players signed, he did a great job getting us out of that mess in two years. Very good. He even managed to sign Moulds, which was a major, major coup. Getting TH in the second round was wonderful. Clements in the first round was great. Given that, I'll use your system. QB - C+ RJ over Flutie. As much as I hate Flutie, he was better than RJ. Getting Drew gave us instant credibility to a team that was horrible. Recognizing that last year was the time to draft a QB was very smart, given this year's QB crop in the draft and FA. RB - B+ TH and WM, and don't forget Shelton Henry is the definition of 2nd round value. McGahee was a gutsy pick that is paying off. Shelton was a phenominal FA pickup, and blocked like a madman last year. WR - B Moulds, Reed, Aiken, Smith, Shaw, Jett, Wright, Smith and Evans. Donahoe made a decision to keep Moulds, which paid off. Evans was quite good as a rook. Reed was good as a rook, but I don't feel he's lived up to his potential. The grade is based on Moulds and Evans. OL - B- MW, CV, TT, JJ, Ross Tucker, Lawrence Smith, Mike Pucillo, M. Price, Ben Sobieski and Dylan McFarland. JJ was a great value pick. MW played very well last year despite his slow start. I like watching him nail people. I think CV is darn good. Teague is a decent center. TE - C+ Mark Campbell, Euhus, Moore, Nuefeld I like Campbell. He can long snap, and is versatile. Ehus and Nuefeld are both decent prospects. Moore was a good FA pickup. Campbell was worth a 4th rounder, given his production. DL - A Aaron Schobel, Sam Adams, Ryan Denney, Chris Kelsay, Justin Bannon Ron Edwards & Tim Anderson Wonder why this defense has been ranked #2 in the NFL the past few years? Starts here. Good depth, good rotation, and good starters. Schobel is a great find in the 2nd round. LB - A+ Spikes, Fletcher, Posey, Stamer, Crowell & Haggan These guys flat out play. Truly the elite of the NFL. DB - B Milloy, Clements, Vincent, McGee, Thomas, Baker, Greer, Wire, PP, Raion Hill Milloy was a great signing. Vincent's ability to play safety and CB is valuable. Wire is a good athlete, but gets paid way too much $$ and I feel he's reached his potential. Clements is obviously a great pick. K - D Lindell & Hollis I really dislike Lindell. D+ is generous, IMHO. P - A+ Moorman ST - A+ McGee, etc. No way you can't give this amazing group a great grade. Overall B+

And you might want to include STs in your assessment, not just kickers & punters. McGee grades out as an A+, for sure. I may disagree with you, but I'm enjoying this thread and how you're looking at each position.

Then he inhereted Flutie & Johnson as well. Remove them from your grades.

Well, you'll find that most of the "haters" really don't care to attempt that because it would prove them wrong.

Why did you leave out Moulds in that assessment? He chose to resign him instead of Wiley, effectively keeping him from becoming a FA.

Nah. I have nothing against the Irish. Why would I? Hell, if there was a Polish/Italian day named after some saint I probably wouldn't celebrate that, either. I'm Polish & Italian, BTW. Imagine that - being Polish & Italian and born in Buffalo. How odd!

Bwaaa! You don't even know if he was offered a contract, and you're too ashamed to admit it! Either that or it doesn't fit your agenda. Read the board rules. Crusading = bad.

And that would be: "Donahoe sucks!"

I'm waiting on that contract information. Are you going to keep avoiding it or admit you just don't know? I'm calling you out, man. If you can't come up with facts, you might want to hold your tongue until you can.

The Bills didn't get the job done? Did they offer him a contract? How much was it for? How long was it for. Are you holding out on us?

I highly doubt we'll use what we have. The offseason is long.

Lighten up, yourself. You're the one getting uptight because I don't really care about a holiday. You're now pissing on MY wheaties. I happen to ENJOY not liking St. Patrick's day, and if you can't accept that you are a hypocrite. STFU about it, will ya? And it's spelled Francis, BTW.

Oh really? What was the offer? Did the Bills even offer him a contract? Do you know? What were the differences between the two contracts that made him sign with Detroit? What were the intangibles that made Detroit more appealing? Have you spoken to Demulling? Have you read anything about the facts of the matter? Are you making suppositions without facts again? If you're going to say the Bills lowballed him, you damn well better know the details or else you look like a fool. The look of a fool is creeping up on you.

Please. You don't know me well enough to tell me to lighten up.

Read my post again. Please. And what did the bills offer Demulling? How long was the contract for? For what dollars?

I'm not happy about our OL situation at this point, however you are so blinded by your opinion (a WRONG opinion for that matter) of TD that you grasp at any straw to dis him. It's kinda pathetic, bud.

So how much did the Bills offer him? How was the contract structured? Do you have this information or are you making it up?

St. Patrick's day is one of the most useless holidays of the year.

You're kidding, right?

Is your avatar rudy? :-)

Just when I thought you were starting to mellow with age like fine wine ..... Do you mean to say we're DOOOOOMEEED?

Hockey has been away for a while, as well. I'd hold off on the jersey for now. :-)

He doesn't make ME drink that piss.

I party with him all the time. It's fun.

OK. 3. I didn't like it enough to try to be as good as I should have been. :-)