DrDawkinstein

Klint Kubiak over Brady, imo

A Christmas Miracle!

Yeah I certainly get all that and say as much here myself. It wasnt aimed at you specifically. But too many folks want to try to shut down discussions with "Well who do you have that you know will be better?!?" like it's some checkmate.

Great post, Andy. Even as someone who wants McD replaced, I would be bummed. Bummed that even though he broke the drought and rebuilt the culture and organization, his main lasting legacy will be "13 seconds" and the guy who couldnt even get to a Super Bowl with Josh Allen at QB. That honestly makes me sad for him. I wish it would be different, and commented as much in the "Haters" thread. To your point about the candidates, while I dont want a mediocre retread like the ones youve named, I would be willing to take a big risk on an up and coming first-timer like Clint Kubiak.

So, I agree with @NewEra that we missed the boat on the obviously better choices of Vrabel, Johnson, Payton, and Jim Harbaugh. And there arent any top tier candidates left to choose from. And that makes firing McD scary. However, I more so agree with your point that us fans dont need to have the answer ready. The point I always make in that regard is "No one here in December 2016 was talking about Sean McDermott". He was on the radar of a couple people (I think @GunnerBill and a maybe 1 or 2 other deep researchers). But the vast majority of current McD die-hards, who are scared of the risk of moving on, didnt even know the guy existed before we hired him. So let's take that leap and try to improve while we can.

It tells nothing. YOU literally started this with "most of the people who vocally want him gone". Yeah, I'm vocal that I want him gone. Beyond that you were wrong on every other point.

Maybe you just need to hang out with better people then. But dont paint all of us who want a coaching change as mere hateful aholes.

False. Go over to the "Sean Haters" thread or any of the past discussion threads on this board and the vast majority of us who want him gone all preface every post with "He's a great guy and good coach for changing the culture, etc etc", and we STILL get called haters and misrepresented like you're doing here. Not upset he's a good human being at all. That's his top selling quality. And good for him. Not a single personal character attack on him. You're making all this up because a large number of Bills fans see critical football discussions as being "mean". We're not allowed to debate and discuss, we're only allowed to cheer.

Wont argue too much, but will point out that we got the Texans without Stroud and with Davis frickin Mills starting and still blew it. That at least balances out the Cincy difference. Anyways, I hope the boys wake up for this last quarter push. Go Bills!

Tomlin is just McD all over again. Same philosophies, same issues hiring coordinators, heck they were even teammates on the same college team. If/when we move away from McD we need a major change. Either a hot shot young OC, or a more aggressively-minded coach like Vrabel.

Our schedule isnt much different or more difficult. The main difference is the Pats show up to every game while the Bills consistently no-show against teams like the Falcons, Dolphins, and Texans. Highlighting "we played poorly", we sure did and we sure do. While the Pats havent no-showed a single game this year. They stumbled out the gate as young team in their season opener and still kept it a one score game, and had a bunch of fluke fumbles in their other loss and still kept it a one score game. Every other game, they show up and whip the other team. No playing down. No "its tough to win in the NFL". They go out against a weaker team and dominate like they should, week in and week out. Its a problem. Theyre a problem. The Bills need to get their ***** together and show up like they care without having to wait for Josh to get lit up.

Okay with the Bills losing the division? Okay with the Bills maybe not even making the playoffs? This isnt his Tennessee team being QBed by Marcus Mariota or Ryan Tannehill, that's the effect you're talking about. They're "young" and might make an early exit this year due to inexperience, but that wont last long.

Vrabel Effect in full show. The entire team plays with an edge and confidence. We have to wait for our QB to get a cheap shot to "wake up" from low positive.

Here for serious discussions about Men In Tights!

Arguable but fair. I wouldnt say he has a ways to go tho. He already owns a bunch of records, he single-handedly contributes more than a DE ever could, he doesnt take plays off. But I get your point. IMO by the end of Allen's career it wont be much of a debate.

Guess what happens the second he steps into the building...

Before you get all worked up and offended, this was just a response to the "Haters" thread. So everyone lighten up all around.

Oh there were definitely straight-up HATERS here who took great personal offense to his couple of comments on Social Media and posting his $15M number and made numerous posts attacking his skills, and personally attacking him and his brother. I wont name them because we're all moving on and that doesnt do anything constructive. But the posts live on. And $20M was NEVER in the discussion. Agreed he's worth every penny and glad it all worked out even better for the Bills. This is a tough one because I dont know if its just recency bias, or only remembering the bad plays, but it sure feels like there have been a bunch of bad misses to the flats that leave me bewildered. He's definitely better than when he started. But it also seems he's easy to knock off that part of his game with pressures. I dunno. Happy for you to prove me wrong.

I'm just surprised that out of all the personal attacks today, no one capitalized on me saying "there will probably be a little bit of #2 in the back of my mind" and called me "***** for brains"

There is almost zero chance of a prolonged playoff drought with Josh Allen. The Sabres are completely different. I'm sick of retyping this in every coaching discussion thread. Pegula handles the Sabres and their hirings much, much differently than the Bills. He's way more involved and meddling with the Sabres, he considers himself a "hockey guy". He bought the Sabres as his retirement hobby. At Penn State it's the hockey arena named after him, not the football stadium. He knows he's in over his head in the NFL and with football. He relied on an outside consulting firm to help find McDermott (a name no one here was discussing in December 2016). Sabres hirings have nothing to do with Bills hirings. You've gone from Gambler's Fallacy to False Equivalency. You want to include all of Ralph's hires which isnt valid, and then want to discuss a completely different sport. Cmon. Robots are usually more logical than this.

Pegula's track record is 1-1. And the guys that convinced him on Rex are gone. The rest of your post is a major insult to Josh Allen.

Yeah I dont disagree with any of this either.

He's very good at catching the ball. Folks just focus on his couple of sure-TD drops from 2-3 years ago instead of all the good catches he has made. But everyone has drops, even the greatest of WRs. He caught the ball a bunch at UGA, and it was one of his features when coming into the pros. He's done it well for us too. This Dallas game from 2023 is the perfect example. He had a banner day, it was a coming out party. This is basically a James Cook highlight reel. He makes a couple of great catches (3:30), and even catches one for a TD (3:50). But late in the game, up big 21-3 thanks to Cook, he drops a sure TD (8:20) and it's all people remember... Also I love posting this because its a fun video for Bills fans.

Depends on how you define "perennial contender". I agree with @MJS and others that he'd be hired right away, and could elevate a bottom-dweller. He wouldve been perfect in Carolina the last couple of years. Weakish division. They'd be in the hunt and favored to take that Division every year, therefore a perennial contender. But that doesnt change anything here, and isnt even relevant to our situation and conversation. McD pretty much admits it himself. The signs all over OBD say "Playoff Caliber". He's never changed them to "Championship Caliber" when that is the current goal.

But to your forebearance point, Harbaugh has won a SB (with Joe Flacco at QB, during the Brady/Manning era) and earned a bit more leeway. The Bills are definitely a very unique situation.