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50 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
The Giants taking a QB is being discussed everywhere...
Sorry, but I think you're wrong. Almost everything I've been reading and hearing over the last two weeks has been predicting the Giants will be picking Barkley at #2. It seemed like on this board, it was a given the Giants were drafting Barkley.
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1 minute ago, gjv001 said:
Buffalo could luck-out and have Jackson fall to them at 12. However, I think they will need to move up to get him. Both Arizona, LA Chargers, and Miami could be very interested in jumping Buffalo to pick Jackson.
I can see this too. Next years QB class looks very weak and it's probably scaring NFL teams like Cards, Chargers, Saints, Steelers and Jaguars who might make a big move like the Chiefs and Texans did last year. It seems Jackson will be the last one seen as a franchise QB talent level after Denver makes their pick which will probably not be Jackson.
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I was listening to WFAN this morning and Boomer Esiason said that he thinks the Browns and will select Josh Allen Because he matches what Todd Haley is looking for in a QB (big arm, Rothlesberger style).
He also said that he thinks the Giants can not afford to not go QB and will select Sam Darnold. Gives Pat Shumer the young QB to groom behind Manning for one year. Eli Manning is due 23 million next year and ODB’s contract is going to be too huge of a deal to have both players. That would be about 40-50 million tied up in two positions.
He then said that he thinks the Jets will pick Mayfield at #3. He didn’t go into much detail as to why other than he felt they were a good match.
The Giants picking a QB is not being discussed much. The Bills might even have to give up a prime pick to trade up for Lamar Jackson (if they think he's a potential franchise QB) so that the Cardinals don’t jump ahead of them.
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9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
You're making this lobby in 2004. People were questioning Rothlisberger being from Miami(Oh), folks were questioning Rivers's throwing motion... Losman was going to be just as good, he could sling it, he had confidence. Schaub and McCown both decent, went no where.
Need the top tier guys, or its same old Bills.
We ended up with the #13 and #22 picks that year. Went talent up front, and settled on 2nd tier guy. We've done this before. Need to get up and get the real QBs.
Sorry, I just do not see any one of these QBs close being on the same Manning, Rivers or Rothlesberger level. I'm certainly not wanting them to give up a bunch of prime picks for anyone in this class. It's not 1983, it's not 2004...it's just an above average, deep class of QBs with the top ones having some significant question marks that were not there with the top three in 2004.
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15 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:
I am not willing to give up 12, 22 and next year’s 1st for any of the QBs in this draft. In my (uninformed) opinion, none of them are sure -thing can’t miss prospects.
It it is one thing.to draft Andy Dalton or Derek Carr in round 2, but trading up to (reach) to get Allen or Mayfield is a struggle for me. Not that I think either are bad prospects, but giving up a lot to get either is very risky.
I think that the “top four” QBs have been talked about so much (24 hr TV, radio, social media) over the last six months that it might trick the mind into thinking that they have to be good. Why else would they be talked about so much if they weren’t heading for greatness, right?
Jackson, Rudolph, Lauletta and White are then seen as non-options because they just haven’t been talked about nearly as much. IMO chances are pretty good that there will be just as many pro bowl QB from the “bottom four” as there will be in the supposed “top four”.
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1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:
To me, if Mayfield is still available after Denver’s pick, they should start trying to trade up.
I just don't see Mayfield as being a Beane/McDermott type of player. He does have the drive and passion for the game of football, but he's also a drama magnet on and off the field because he doesn't seem to have a handle on his emotions. His "get in your face" style will end up getting him extra hard hits in the NFL and his team mates will grow tired of it quickly.
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1 minute ago, Fetou said:
If by some wizardry Roquan falls past the Raiders, it will be a very hard decision to pass on him at 12.
As great of a LB Roquan seems to be, you just can not pass on a potential franchise QB. A franchise's "game changing" moment rarely ever happens with a LB. You've got to suck it up, do the right thing and take that swing.
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4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Jackson and Allen have immense talent but a fair amount of risk. I’ve thought that the Bills would go after the guys with the fewest questions. The Jets trade yesterday may prevent that from happening. Jackson and Allen are on the table now IMO. Each needs some time though.
Seems a lot of fans here want Josh Rosen. However, there are multiple risks and questions with that guy...
Concussions
Shoulder surgery
Personality
Is his heart in the game (is he in it for the long haul or will he pull a Jake Locker)
I don't know why fans just ignore these things and then pick on Jackson, who's clearly all in on the game of football and has had no injury issues.
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13 minutes ago, joesixpack said:
Not a pocket passer. Not good at scanning the field. Poor accuracy.
He's got a better completion percentage than both Darnold and Allen when you adjust for dropped passes...
...and he makes defenders look silly trying to catch him.
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11 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:
Toothpick legs and many fans are done with QBs that have similarities to Tyrod. IMO fans want a true pocket QB not a QB that will take off running first over waiting and take the hit in the pocket to make the throw.
Yet Jackson doesn't have an injury history (that I've read about) and Rosen has concussions and shoulder problems. As for Tyrod comparisons, that's a false one. Jackson's an electric and dynamic playmaker in the mold of Watson. He's someone who trust his arm and Taylor never was that kind of a QB.
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13 minutes ago, joesixpack said:
I can’t see how the bills end up with a qb from this draft outside of Jackson or Rudolph, both of whom would be a wasted pick. They just picked the wrong year to break the drought. Bad luck as always.
Jackson's better than all of the others. I just don't understand why he's not considered a top five pick.
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4 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:
But the title of thread is Class of 83.
Not random QB comparo
Well in the spirit of the thread, I'll say that Lamar Jackson will be this year's Dan Marino.
I hope the Bills get him above all the other QBs. Not that he's a lock, just that IMO he's definitely worth using their first pick on because he does have franchise QB potential.
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13 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:
1. John Elway = Baker Mayfield
7. Todd Blackledge = Josh Rosen
14. Jim Kelly = There is no comparison........ever!
15. Tony Eason= Lamaar Jackson
24. Ken O'Brien= Darnold
27. Dan Marino= nobody close to his talent either.
More like...
Baker Mayfield = Colt McCoy
Josh Rosen = Sam Bradford
Lamar Jackson = DeShaun Watson
Sam Darnold = Tony Romo
Josh Allen = Kyle Boller
IMO, this 2018 class is no where near either the 1983 or 2004 QB draft classes. The expectations of this 2018 QB class never lived up to it's billing. If it did, then the Giants would be drafting a QB (which they won't be doing).
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5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
I think Gettleman is going to hold Beane’s feet to the fire for next year’s #1.
You only do it if there is an "Andrew Luck" type QB there. This class of QBs have serious question marks which you just can't justify giving away a ton of high picks. The gamble is not worth the risk no matter how long it's been since you've had a franchise QB. It's just not the smart thing to do.
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26 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:
For anyone dreaming about trade scenarios for number one or number two pick, I'm killin' that. It's not going to happen. Zero chance. We're staying pat at number 12 and drafting Lamar Jackson.
I'm all in on drafting Lamar Jackson at #12. However with Arizona and LA Chargers well within range to move ahead of the Bills, don't be too sure he'll still be there. If I'm the Bills, the first team ahead of me that'll take a 3rd round pick I'm moving to pick Jackson, just in case someone tried to get in front of the Bills for him.
As for Jackson at #12, he's actually my favorite QB in the 1st round prospects. Darnold's gone at 1 overall, I personally don't like Rosen or Mayfield and I never wanted the Bills to draft either of them, and IMO Allen won't even come close to the production and success which Jackson will have at the NFL level. Also, IMO you don't pick a MLB over the need for a high quality, potential franchise QB prospect, no matter how good that LB is. There will be a good one at #22.
I imagine the AFC East as Rosen (Jets), Mayfield (Dolphins) and Jackson (Bills). I like the Bills chances with Jackson because those other two guys are nothing but head cases who are looking for drama and attention. I imagine that doesn't go over very we'll in NFL locker rooms over the long haul.
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4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
They would be foolish to include a rookie QB that needs major development with mechanics in anything but QB and delay development
He has consistency issues with his mechanics, not major flaws that need round the clock attention. This is the new NFL, where you create mismatches when you have a better hand you can play. If they draft him, he'll see the field in 2018.
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8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
Yeah smart lets use the developmental QB as a WR and RB instead of you know actually developing as a QB and hos Mechanics which he greatly needs
They'd be foolish not to include Jackson in special packages to create mismatches especially in close to the end zone.
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9 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:
Great deal - shows competency at the highest level; also seems to indicate, as others have said, that the targeted QB is someone who will need a year or two to reach NFL ready - so Darnold or Allen...?
More likely Allen or Jackson. With Jackson you can use him in the offense in creative packages (QB/WR/RB) during his developmental season.
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1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:
Then giving up a first and a third for Foles is a failure.
Why would you screw yourself even more?
I really don't see what the other option would be. Is it Peterman? They are going to watch Mahomes and Watson (two guys they could have drafted) light up the league in 2018, miss out entirely on the top 5 QBs in the 2018 draft, and then start Peterman? That seems like a very far stretch and I don't see that happening in any way, shape or form. Foles is probably the Bills franchise's panic button, and they are probably very relieved to have an option like him after what he did to the Pats in the Super Bowl.
8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:6 in the top 12 would be unprecedented
I was referring to a team jumping ahead of the Bills to take the fifth (and last) top QB.
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17 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:
Look.
If there are 4 QBs taken before #12, the bills will take Jackson/Allen/whatever of the top5 is left.
I would still rather than than multiple picks for Foles.
There may not be any of the top 5 left. That's the scenario I was talking about.
Kansas City came from pick #27 to the Bills #10 spot to draft a QB and they already had Alex Smith. Teams that could trade ahead of the Bills for the last of the top 5 QBs in this class are...
15. Cardinals
17. Chargers
27. Saints
28. Steelers
29. Jaguars
The Bills may have to trade up from #12 to even get the chance to draft Lamar Jackson.
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11 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:
Eagles want better than a 1st AND a 4th for Foles.
This has been said like 100000 times.
They don't want to budge.
I don't know why people keep slinging Foles' name like he's gonna be cheap, or even an option, because of Beane gives up that for him, he should be drawn and quartered.
If the worst case scenario happens, and the Bills just can not reach a deal with a team picking in the top 5 without them having to give up their entire draft, and then a team trades ahead of them and picks Jackson, the Bills would almost have to give up their #22 pick for Foles.
If they don't, they will forever have to face the question, "Hey, why didn't you just draft Watson or Mahomes in 2017?" The only buffer from that disaster QB scenario is trading for the Super Bowl MVP who beat your division rival, with a 1st round pick. That's the price you pay when you pass on good QBs in the draft, when you didn't have a good QB.
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10 minutes ago, greeneblitz said:
You think its their plan or its yours????? Mayfield's personality is what we finally need on this team, his "issues" are way, way, way overblown. The kid had one incident which was basically a fight.
I just don't see his personality meshing with McDermott or Beane. I'm guessing they don't want their starting QB constantly writing checks (talking) that their team has to help cash week after week.
Yes, I personally would not draft Mayfield, and I would rather they draft Jackson who I think is not only a much better prospect, but who's a genuinely good guy that professional players will love to play for and have as their leader. Mayfield's brash "look at me" style wears thin fast in the NFL.
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11 minutes ago, wppete said:
We must have the #2 pick overall locked up. Bean and Getleman probably worked something out at the combine. This is the only thing that makes sense or else we are screwed. They must feel with Darnold or Rosen are bigtime franchise guys.
What other QBs are out there in FA? Nothing really.
Lamar Jackson is possibly the best or second best QB prospect in this class IMO. Just because the four most talked about QBs are set in stone (with regards to the national media), doesn't mean that they are right. Don't be surprised if the Bills are very high on Jackson and see him as this year's DeShaun Watson (which everyone seems to be either picking apart or ignoring).
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1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:
OK so they are obviously targeting one or two guys in the draft.
IMO, I think this might be the possible order of the Bills thinking...
Plan A: Rosen (moving up)
Plan B: Jackson (staying put)
Plan C: Foles (all 1st rd QBs gone, couldn't get a trade done situation)
I think Darnold is going #1, Allen is too much of a project and Mayfield is possibly off their board because his amped up, in your face, personality is too much.
Rumor: Trade up discussion with Giants
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by 1billsfan
Exactly, I just did a draft on fanspeak and here is a sample of what the choice would look like...
2018 Starting QB: AJ McCarron (no trade up) with…
12: R1P12 LB TREMAINE EDMUNDS VIRGINIA TECH
22: R1P22 LB RASHAAN EVANS ALABAMA
53: R2P21 WR D.J. CHARK LSU
65: R3P1 RB NICK CHUBB GEORGIA
96: R3P32 QB KYLE LAULETTA RICHMOND
2018 Starting QB: Josh Rosen (after the trade up to #2) with…
56: R2P24 C JAMES DANIELS IOWA
96: R3P32 DL TIM SETTLE
Plus no 2nd round pick in 2019
It's very startling when you see a sample of giving up that many prime picks, then you add in the concussion issues with Rosen, along with his possible lack of passion for the game. It's easy to see why the Bills would just forget about trading up and build up a great team around McCarron.
BTW, there will be a very good player at #12 if 4 or 5 of these QBs go before their pick.