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For anyone still thinking the Bills have a chance to sign Cousins, the Jets have over double the cap space of the Bills. Not going to happen. The Jets will give Cousins an offer he can't refuse.
That leaves the Broncos, Cardinals and Bills in the running for Rosen, Allen and Jackson (assuming the Browns take Mayfield and the Giants take Darnold). There's probably a good chance that either the Broncos or Cardinals go the free agent QB or in a trade to get their starting QB (Keenum, McCarron, Foles, Bridgewater). The Bills have a great shot to get one of the top QBs.
As very good as everyone thinks this QB class is, there are a lot of serious question marks with each first round QB prospect. I can see a scenario of Allen or Rosen (or both) fall to the Bills at #21. Once the slide starts happening, teams get very nervous to be the one to take a shot on that player. They see all the other teams shying away and think there's a real reason why no ones taking them. With Rosen it's the attitude and concussions, with Allen it's his actual play on the field that's being questioned. What about Lamar Jackson? He's a rare talent and he lights up the field and who will probably be there for them at #21.
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1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:
There's an obsession with "pro style" QBs.
And I believe it was Kirby who has some inside sources at OBD that said the Bills don't like Jackson. I'm guessing for the wrong reasons as you indicated above.
Teams want a traditional pocket QB as opposed to guys like Russel Wilson/Deshaun Watson/Jackson and even Tyrod because of their style of play.
Im all for a player like Jackson if the coaches utilize his skill set and build an offense around that instead of what we saw with Dennison and his disastrous plan with Tyrod and the offense.
Who knows, he could have got bad information (or misinformation). IMO, I tend to think the only two guys in the organization who know which QBs the Bills like, and in what order, are Beane and McDermott, and that's the ways it's going to stay until they make the pick.
QBs like Jackson are the future of this league. We can all see it coming. The days of strictly drop back passers are clearly going away. If they do take Jackson, they'll probably take another QB at some point because the QB position will become like pitchers in baseball, only in the NFL...it's for when they get hurt, not if. With all the running around it's bound to happen.
If they do take him and set the offense up right, Jackson has the ability to have the same impact as Watson did. Then all the experts can say "duh, why didn't we see that coming?!" all over again.
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28 minutes ago, TPS said:
I’ll be shocked if the Giants don’t take Eli’s successor with their pick. It’s a great year for QBs, No guarantee Eli is good for 2-3 more years, and it’s rare for the giants to have the #2 pick.
I totally agree, especially since the Eagles have Wentz and the Giants need their franchise QB for the next 10 years. Great situation for Darnold being able to sit a year or two behind Manning.
I see the first four picks as going...1. Mayfield / Browns, 2. Darnold / Giants, 3. Chubb / Colts, 4. Barkley / Browns
Pick 5 on down depends on where Cousins lands. But Giants no doubt will be staying at pick 2.
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1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:
I can't see anyone taking Jackson and trying to start him in year one.............so I don't see the "2 or 3 years before he is demoted" thing as applying.........2 or 3 years before he gets a chance to be a starter sounds more realistic.
That's crazy IMO. In the last two days I've read stories of DeSean Watson giving huge props to Jackson ("I don't want him to go to the Jacksonville," Watson said. "Send him to the North."), and also I saw a segment of NFL Total Access where David Carr said Jackson's his brother Derrick's favorite player who can't get enough of watching him play.
I don't understand why Jackson seems so underrated and underestimated by media and fans. If Jackson goes to a team which would change their offense to fit him, he'll be putting up Watson numbers no doubt about it. The Bills would be a fantastic spot for this to happen. The Bills franchise and fans are used to a running style QB, and they now have an OC who's very familiar with the college game and how to maximize Jackson's talents in the NFL. He'll probably end up in either Arizona or Buffalo. Both head coaches were around Cam Newton for along time. They've seen it work.
FWIW, I don't believe the trade up for Josh Rosen rumor at all. Judging by the moves the FO made last year, if they don't seem to favor west coast players, they probably don't want a prima donna west coast QB like Rosen who'd probably be miserable in Buffalo.
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14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Like Allbright said....fans. There's an entire body of work that some people refuse to consider.
NFL front offices will not say anything that even hints at the truth this time of year. So if they're the ones saying there isn't much interest, there probably is serious interest and buying into Foles going on, especially with teams like the Cardinals and Bills who right now are on the outside looking in with regards to the 2018 QB draft derby.
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4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
I just don't trust any information these insiders are getting this time of year. Why would any team decision-makers interested in Foles, or a specific QB in the 2018 draft, or Cousins, or Keenam, etc... tell an "insider" that they don't have much interest in a specific player he's asking about? That doesn't make any sense at all. If you were a team decision-maker would you let them know you were very much interested in trading for Foles right now? Of course the answer is no. Why drive up the price, especially when there are so many options available which now suddenly includes McCarron. I'm convinced that Foles is on the radar as a serious option for the Bills (if they believe he's very driven to prove he's an NFL franchise QB) and they're hoping the price becomes a second round pick.
With the Bills picking 21 and 22 (all the top QB prospects gone), and seeing what Foles did to the NFC playoff teams and the Patriots, it's easy to see that this team could quickly view this option as a viable way to become a serious contender in a very bad AFC conference with him. Foles has serious NFL cred now, and I think Bills players would believe in him and look at him very differently than they would a couple of months ago. The Bills can still draft a developmental QB in the 3rd or 4th round. Maybe even using the other 2nd round pick depending on who's there.
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8 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
That's the context from which I am looking at this draft. I hope OBD is as well.
If they are, Bills fans probably shouldn't get too attached to the idea of them have two first round picks because they're probably making a move upward for a QB.
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The Bills already have a QB like Rudolph and his name is Peterman. I see no way the Bills are in play for him.
Considering the fact that last year the Bills traded away the opportunity to draft either Mahomes or Watson, I think that the Bills are on the hook to give maximum effort in finding the QB answer who will be either as good or better than those two QBs. The QBs that fit that mold are Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen orJackson.
If they draft Rudolph, the next 10 years will probably be filled with repeated questions of why they just didn't draft either Mahomes or Watson when they had the chance instead of being stuck with a low level starter during their era in Buffalo.
IMO, the Bills will do something big for the QB position because of how bright the futures of Mahomes and Watson look right now.
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57 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:
I am not one who thinks that Peterman’s disastrous game against the Chargers forever defines him, but I don’t think his presence on the roster impacts the Bills’ draft plans at all. Additionally, I think that Rudolph is a considerably better prospect.
i do think though that they might prefer Jackson or Allen if they are within reasonable range.
From what I've read, Peterman came from a pro style offense showing the ability to throw into tight windows. While Rudolf is coming from a system offense where he was regularly throwing to wide open receivers. Then throw in that Peterman already has a year of NFL game experience and the coaches know him very well, I just don't see the purpose of drafting an average guy like Rudolph. I think they go after a QB in the draft with a very high ceiling and if that doesn't happen, they'll likely give Philly an offer they can't refuse for Foles.
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3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:
I think that they may have to trade up ahead of Arizona to get the guy that they like best among the guys left, assuming Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield are out of reach.
Every one of Rudolph’s games that I’ve watched leaves me wondering why the draft media thinks he will be available at pick 21. He isn’t fast but I was impressed with each game I’ve watched.
I think the Bills won't draft Mason Rudolf because they already have a QB who seems close to him in talent in Peterman.
Assuming that Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield are all gone top 6 (who knows, they may not even like them), I think that the Bills will target getting Allen or Jackson. Two QBs who have rare talents, could fall to their picks, or could be there to trade up a few spots (maybe using their 3rd rd pick or next year's 2nd) if they were concerned a team behind them would trade into Detroit's spot ahead of the Bills to take a QB.
Then, I think they just keep Taylor as the bridge QB.
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2 hours ago, Bring it said:
I can’t help but feel that Mayfield is going to drop. Obviously I don’t know for sure but I just don’t see him as a top ten pick because of his height. Doesn’t bother me. The guy is very accurate and lives for the game. I don’t see the top ten teams grabbing him and passing on other great talent especially lineman. With Cousins to sign somewhere and several other quality Qb prospects in the draft he may fall a long ways in the first round. Don’t be too sure that we take him either in round 1. I don’t know that Mayfield is a Mcbean kind of guy. Glad I don’t have to make that decision!!
I can see it happening too. Many QB needy NFL teams in the top 10 may flirt with the idea of drafting Mayfield, but then draw back when the decision comes around to actually picking a sub 6' QB with possible immaturity issues. Today's NFL teams won't tolerate much drama stuff any longer. They can tolerate it in later rounds but not a high first round QB pick. Adding to that, there are other draft eligible QBs who are rising like Lauletta and White and then you also have a glut of free agent QBs like Cousins, Keenan, Bradford, Bridgwater and McCarron. Heck, even Tyrod will be out there as a possibility for a mid round pick trade.
I also wonder if the Bills would pass on Mayfield as well (because he doesn't fit their overall QB profile). They probably have 3 QBs that they will be targeting...1st QB is the guy they'd have to give up the farm to get like Darnold, 2nd QB is the guy who will probably be there with one of their firsts like Rudolph or Jackson, 3rd QB is the guy in the 2nd/3rd round like Lauletta or White. They no doubt have a plan to get a QB in the draft and I'm thinking that plan does not include giving up much in draft picks.
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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I do wish; I want the Bills to be good. He sucks at QB. I don’t remember people loving Levi Brown or Jeff Tuel? Why did the fan base fall in love with this guy? He’s a similar prospect.
I think it's pretty ridiculous to get into the exercise of pretending to have any sort of idea of how Peterman is either good or bad at being an NFL QB. Especially based on one full game of real NFL game experience.
I trust McDermott if he thinks Peterman is his guy, or if he wants to go in another direction and this is all a head fake to move up for his guy. McDermott seems very smart, he did get this franchise a playoff game.
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I voted for Jackson, simply because he just looks like he's going to become the best NFL QB that comes out of this draft. The other guys have really weird quirks to them...
Rosen has a real screwy personality
Mayfield does too, along with his being very short
Allen's college stats are ridiculously pitiful next to Jackson's
Darnold looks just "meh"
As for Rudolph, I'd rather go for the dynamic "high ceiling" star QB player in Jackson, and not the supposed safe "could become a solidly average NFL starter" player in Rudolph.
One thing for sure, this QB class does not seem "one for the ages" type of class as it was billed. I'm actually glad the Bills aren't drafting very high and forcing themselves into choosing from the QBs currently ranking as top 10. Our head coach and GM are from the Panthers, so they know you can have success a multidimensional QB talent like Cam Newton. They saw it up close. So if they did take Jackson, they could keep Taylor as the placeholder and have a solid QB group of Jackson, Taylor and Peterman for 2018.
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2 minutes ago, matter2003 said:
Because he is always hurt and he isn't that good when he isn't hurt.
All the Bills would be asking for is to get a quality free agent QB who can hold the fort down for 4-5 weeks till the 1st round rookie QB pick would be comfortable in taking over. Because in general, 1st round QBs just don't sit their whole rookie season. This is why Bradford on a one year contract would probably be one of the best options for the Bills.
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1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:
...pretty pathetic isn't it?.....some sour grapes because Dorsey & Gettleman got GM jobs versus some of the "budding" candidates here??.....sure as hell hope none of the 2018 Draft QB eligibles read crap like this......sure would make you feel real, REAL welcome.....TBD Red Carpet is covered with pigeon stains......a 5th round ROOK with minis, OTA's, TC, some pre-season work, a bad start and some mop up duty defines and era or career according for the good 'ol "One & Done Gang".......plenty of time to earn the "bust moniker"......hell even Darby got labeled a bust in a PRE-SEASON GAME as a rook for getting torched.....
Pathetic is an excellent choice of words. I'm laughing at the fervor they have in their knowing Peterson's a bust after four quarters of NFL action.
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4 minutes ago, section122 said:
What? I even finished my post with imo. Its a message board isn't every post our opinion? Especially ones that end with imo.
Why though is it a guarantee that he will get better? There are thousands and thousands of examples of players just not making it. He got a shot and threw up all over himself. 5 picks isn't just kind of bad it is historically bad. Listen I could end up completely wrong about this but I don't think I am. I don't see an NFL qb when he is behind center. I have seen him make a couple of NFL type throws but they were littered in between fumbles, picks, and poor throws. Don't hate the guy but don't think he can make it in this league.
Do you know how ridiculous writing off a rookie QB after about four quarters of real game action sounds? One game of action...seriously? Complaining about interceptions from a rookie who has no fear throwing in tight windows after three stinking years of Tyrod Taylor playing it super safe and not ever throwing it WRs who were not completely wide open?
I think some Bills fans opinions of what is expected of an NFL franchise starting QB, what is asked of an NFL franchise starting QB, and what the progression of development of an NFL franchise QB looks like, have been stunted. If you're not throwing a higher number interceptions as a young/rookie QB, you're not challenging yourself enough to become a franchise QB. Because learning how to make completions to WRs who have a CB on their back hip is THE biggest hurdle in becoming a franchise QB. No wonder why Taylor never felt the need to challenge himself in Buffalo considering how much crap Peterman is taking from that one start. Get off his back and let him be free to succeed or fail at becoming a franchise starting QB and not a game manager this fanbase has been sadly watching since forever.
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23 minutes ago, BigDingus said:
I highly doubt anybody said this, and if they did, they're not close to the QB situation.
There's really no way I see Peterman as the coach's choice to start next year even before the draft. The Bills have got to be seriously looking for a QB in the draft, as it would be stupid to just hang their hat on someone they thought worthy of only a 5th round pick.
Unless Peterman was getting starting reps the entire week, I highly doubt he'd do great against the #1 passing defense in the league.Why would that be such a shock? They’ve already benched a healthy Taylor with a 5-4 record in favor of starting Peterman. They've made big bold moves by getting rid of Watson, Darby and Dareus.
They don’t care what the opinions on Peterman are of the fans or media. They have a plan and I can totally see that if they feel Peterman is ready to become the starter, that they are convinced he has the talent and he has developed enough to take that next step, that they will move forward with him as the 2018 Bills starting QB and they may not even draft a QB from this class. They could just sign a veteran as his backup.
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26 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:
One of my contacts close to the QB situation texted me this morning while I was in high level meetings, to paraphrase he said the following:
"Savior (obviously not my real name), if NP was starting yesterday the Bills probably would have won. But now the Taylor experiment is over and Beane is going full steam ahead with NP being the starter heading into 2018. Beane is in love with this kid but look for a few other power moves but no big name QB's drafted/signed"
If true this confirms my own thoughts that NP will likely be the guy and we'll sign another journeyman to compete and back him up.
Glad to hear this, hope that it's true. I don't really get the hate on Peterman. Yes, he had a horrific start against the Chargers (I chalked it up to that first interception beginning a snowball effect for a team that was lost). He showed some play making ability in the blizzard game against the Colts. He showed playmaking ability in the Jags wildcard playoff game which unfortunately ended with a great NFL CB making a great play on the ball. At least he knows how it feels to be playing QB in the final two minutes of an NFL playoff game. He's not a rookie anymore.
For three years Bills fans have been crying above Taylor's lack of decision making, trigger pulling, and consistency in his accuracy. Now we get a rookie QB in here who has these very traits we've been waiting for in the starting QB, and they start crying about the turnovers. Part of the learning process of becoming a true franchise QB is learning what you can get away with in the NFL when throwing into tight windows against the fastest NFL CBs. Peterman is learning this just like other future franchise QBs did when they were rookies. Once Peterman gets dialed in on the timing with the WRs and the margins of the NFL throwing windows I think he will definitely be a much better QB in 2018 than Taylor was this year. I think there's a real chance his development gets to the Tony Romo level of franchise QB. Just the fact that they benched Tyrod for Peterman while they had a winning record tells you that they have a LOT of confidence in his future talent level.
Sign Bradford (or a similar veteran QB) to a one year deal for competition with Peterman, use the 1st round picks for LB and DT and the 2nd round picks for OL and RB (to help in extending McCoy's career here for another three years).
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5 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
Baker Mayfield watch!
I think Lamar Jackson will be their guy. They come from Carolina and they might be thinking they can mold him into a Qb like Newton.
I think Mayfields height and personality will turn them off from perusing him.
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20 hours ago, Southern Bills Fan said:
Alex Smith and Peterman next year. Bank it.
IMO, Alex Smith just doesn't line up with what seems to be their player personnel philosophy.
aging QB
big cap hit
giving up a 2nd rd draft pick
a QB not not trusting in his WRs
Also, I don't see them going into the 2018 season with the Mahomes vs Smith debate served on a platter for the media which would be a constant drum beat, and one that most probably wouldn't be in their favor. Do they want to hear, "You could have drafted Mahomes on a rookie contract and now you have an aging Alex Smith making how much????"
Right now, I don't see how the Bills move on from Taylor (in free agency period especially) given that the Bills are in the playoffs for the first time in 17 years. I think that the Bills sit tight, wait for the draft, see if a QB falls to them in the first round that they want. If that doesn't happen, then they use the high draft picks on positions of need and probably let Taylor and Peterman's have a competition for the starting job (with Peterman having to look like the knockout winner). Doing it this way doesn't force things, they probably really want to see what happens in the draft before making any moves at the QB position.
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Colin Cowherd was talking about this subject a few days ago. He said that from what he's been hearing, he's predicting that Belichick is leaving the Patriots after this season since the owner choose to side with Brady on such a monumental decision.
It would be so nice to have the opportunity to beat the Brady/Belichick team in what would be their last game together, and that game being at their home field in the playoffs. The Bills made the playoffs, so why not another dream scenario.
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Cheers to the Bills fans everywhere! What an awesome feeling! Huge props to the players, McDermott and his staff, and the Pegulas. You did it, you actually freaking made the playoffs!
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3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Chargers at Jets! That's the game our playoff chances ride on. If the Chargers lose, even if the Bills lose to the Patriots, all they need to do is beat Miami in the season finale and the Jags to beat the Titans and they are in.
Even with McCown out, the Jets still have a strong D and decent run game. Plus the Chargers travel east in what will hopefully be cold, sloppy weather. I think the Jets have a shot.
Looks that way. I think that the Jets are fully capable of beating the Chargers. I don't get that 7 point spread at all...Jets at home, big underdogs, LA Chargers are coming from the west coast and playing at 1pm, Bowles has this team playing tough football nearly every single week, their WR Anderson is really good, they've got that rookie safety Jamal Adams who's playing very well, Petty hopefully got all the rust shaked off last week against the Saints. I think the Jets will be playing very hard, I'm sure players don't like being dissed by that big point spread at home.
I even think that the Pats 12 point spread will serve as extra motivation for the 8-6 Bills players. You know that McDermott will remind them how much that's considered a slap in the face.
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Running Shady into an eight man front is a fools game plan that will keep the game decently close, but the Bills will have an extremely low chance to pull off the win because the passing game won't be there in the 4th quarter because they probably wouldn't be in rhythm, and be down by about 10 points, a point when Pats defense would then be expecting the pass. Just challenge Taylor to do it, tell him it's the best way to catch the Pats off guard and see what happens. Tell him the truth that no one in the league thinks he can do it and he's being given the chance prove all of the doubters wrong.
Peter King lays it ALL out on the QB Carousel
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Just watch, the Jets are going all in on Cousins. They're 80 million under the cap (no one else is close), the current regime has no time to develop a rookie QB, and they'll get to use their #6 overall pick on another position, probably offensive line.