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50 minutes ago, Doc said:
I didn't read the article, but I can't recall too many QB's in the past 20 years have succeeded with a Wonderlic in the teens.
Word is (and again, this is hearsay), is that he didn't show well when being asked about QB'ing concepts by teams. If so, taken with the Wonderlic, that's not a good sign.
With your concerns being said, I still feel 100% that Jackson's going to be a hundred times better than either Allen or Rudolph, and that he'll have a much longer career than Rosen.
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6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Anyone whining about the stupid 40 yard dash is just being ridiculous. NO ONE needs to see him run a 40 and no one cares. Everyone knows he is fast...to what exact decimal is completely irrelevant as a QB. He knows it, every GM in the NFL knows it.
He came out on his pro day to perform as a QB not a runner. All this worthless hoopla about not running a 40 is ridiculous. It will have NO BEARING what so ever on his draft position as teams are 100% fully aware and clear on what he can do with his legs. They wanted to see how he throws the ball, thats what will make a difference on where he is drafted and thats what the kid focused on.
People want to criticize or analyze his throwing and stuff, thats all fair game as thats what he put on display, so people will have their own opinions. But this lingering nonsense about not running the 40 is absurd.
This is what happens when the draft season lasts way too long. The NFL pundits find someone to pick apart so it seems like they have tough standards, and Jackson is the guy they chose to pick apart.
While Jackson may be a bit rough around the edges, when I watch him compete he has that "eye of the tiger". The dude looks like he's on a mission and no one is going to stop him. Even in his interviews you can see the competitor in him.
The Bills should pick him and sit him for the season to develop him properly. He looks like he has all the skills, leadership and competitive drive to become a successful franchise QB.
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13 minutes ago, joesixpack said:
ALLLLLLLL of those guys are from different eras.You can NOT take a QB with a 13 on the wonderlic.
That's like drooling on himself status.
DeShaun Watson got a 20 on the test last year, lowest in his class. That test is meaningless when the pads are put on. I could care less what Jackson's wonderlic score is, seriously. He's a decent, hard working kid who's willing to learn and who's ultra competitive without being a first class jerk like a couple of these top QB prospects. Jackson's going to make a lot of NFL players drool on themselves when trying to lay a hand on him.
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26 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
The Jets have met with Mayfield more than anyone else.
It will kill me if we trade up to 2 and take someone else, and the Jets take him at 3. A part of me will die inside.
I'm actually buying that Mayfield is the Bills guy after Darnold's off the board.
The Bills are in a tough spot if that's the case and the Browns take Allen #1 overall...1. Browns/Allen, 2. Giants/Darnold, 3. Jets/Mayfield...
Bills might throw a boatload off picks at the Giants if the Browns take Allen and end up getting Darnold.
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I think the Jets pick Mayfield. So unless the Bills move to pick #1 or #2 they won't get him.
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Just now, YoloinOhio said:
I thinks he’s really good as well. I definitely wouldn’t compare him to Tyrod. I would compare him to RG3.
I'd compare him to DeShaun Watson. Watson has better throwing mechanics, but Jackson looks much faster and has better cutting ability.
I have little doubts that Dabol would get Jackson very near Watson's playing level (before injury) by season's end. He would insert the same offense that the Texans used for Watson.
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5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
Lamar is closer to D. Watson then he is Tyrod Taylor
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If you had done your homework you would see that Lamar actually DOES keep his eyes downfield......and he is not a "run at the first sign of pressure" qb.....often holding the ball and taking a hit while throwing it.
The majority of Lamar's runs are by design.....not from escaping a breaking pocket.
I see a lot more slants and over the middle throws from Lamar then I EVER did from TT. Also.....the passing TD productivity is really not comparable. That is why TT was a 5th round pick who needed to come in and get more work to reach his ceiling and lamar is considered a high pick who got better every year of college.
Well you SHOULD care because Dabol runs an offense that suits a dynamic playmaking QB
The texans are really hating D. Watson
I just got done watching Jackson's game vs Clemson in 2016 and in my opinion Tyrod Taylor is about 20% the player of Lamar Jackson. What I mean by that is that while they play the same type of "dual threat" style of QBing, Jackson looks like a Superman and Taylor looks like a plain ordinary person. People need to watch this stuff and stop with the comparisons of Taylor...
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7 minutes ago, PIZ said:
Let me know of this was already posted.
Very interesting. Maybe getting the Bills fanbase ready so they're not completely blindsided as a result of an NFL media who've basically been acting as if he's an afterthought?
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16 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:
It's not disrespectful to overrate him?
I don't get paid, as a member of the "group think" NFL media, to basically ignore Jackson's franchise level NFL QB talent based on ignorant stereotypes which should have been squashed long ago.
I believe that Chris Simms is the only member of the NFL media (that I know of) who has Jackson as the #1 QB prospect in this draft. Given Jacksons amazing accomplishments, and the clear faults in the other 4 QBs, this is downright shameful. Don't you think something's wrong with this picture? These people aren't doing it on purpose, they're just parrots who just say what the person next to them are saying. Which goes to falling back on comfortable stereotypes.
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2 minutes ago, horned dogs said:
Yeah I'm not sure about that one either. I think he goes to someone like Cinc, Ariz, or Miami.
He's Beane's man, I feel it in my bones.
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2 hours ago, horned dogs said:
4 QBs in the top 6 and Indy trades down again with us this time. Miller is good, he points out that Allen has been the Jets target since last year!
More serious media disrespect for Lamar Jackson. Shameful.
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There are two franchise QBs available in the first round of this draft and that's Darnold and Jackson.
Rosen is another injury waiting to happen "Bradford", Allen screams big arm bust and Mayfield has impulse control issues (not unlike ODB) and is someone who's way too tightly wound to ever last as a long term franchise QB in the NFL.
Lamar Jackson will be the steal of this draft. The NFL media has really done a very poor and frankly disrespectful job of painting him as just another "athletic, running" QB. But that will ultimately be to the Bills benefit, since they'll probably be in the vicinity to draft him, which is unlikely the case with Darnold.
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8 hours ago, TigerJ said:
in the draft: Josh Allen at #12, DaRon Payne at #22, DJ Chark at #53, Tyrell Crosby at #56, Jerome Baker at #65, and Duke Dawson at #96. Not my mock. This comes from the San Diego Union-Tribune. I know Josh Allen is kind of a polarizing pick. Some will think he's a steal at #12 and other son't like him at any spot. I think over all I would be very pleased if the draft fell this way.
Switch Vita Vea with Roquan Smith for Oakland and that mock draft looks by far like the best I've seen.
The only thing will be if the Bills like Allen or Jackson, which no one will know unless that decision actually plays out this way.
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52 minutes ago, MC Hamburg said:
NFL mock draft 2018: First-round projections, top players
Land of 10 predictions for first round
- Cleveland Browns — Sam Darnold, QB, USC
- New York Giants — Bradley Chubb, DE, N.C. State
- New York Jets — Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA
- Cleveland Browns — Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
- Denver Broncos — Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
- Indianapolis Colts –Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech
- Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Derwin James, DB, Florida State
- Chicago Bears — Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame
- San Francisco 49ers — Denzel Ward, DB, Ohio State
- Oakland Raiders — Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama
- Miami Dolphins — Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia
- Buffalo Bills — Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
- Washington Redskins — Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama
- Green Bay Packers — Marcus Davenport, DL, UTSA
- Arizona Cardinals — Josh Jackson, CB, Iowa
- Baltimore Ravens — Christian Kirk, WR, Texas A&M
- Los Angeles Chargers — Orlando Brown, OT, Oklahoma
- Seattle Seahawks — James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State
- Dallas Cowboys — Maurice Hurst, DL, Michigan
- Detroit Lions — Derrius Guice, RB, LSU
- Cincinnati Bengals — Arden Key DB, LSU
- Buffalo Bills — Mike Hughes, CB, UCF
- Los Angeles Rams — Rashaan Evans, LB, Alabama
- Carolina Panthers — Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU
- Tennessee Titans — Mike McGlinchey, G, Notre Dame
- Atlanta Falcons — Vita Vea, DL, Washington
- New Orleans Saints — Connor Williams, G/T, Texas
- Pittsburgh Steelers — Malik Jefferson, LB, Texas
- Jacksonville Jaguars — Harold Landry, LB, Boston College
- Minnesota Vikings — Billy Price, OL, Ohio State
- New England Patriots — Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma
- Philadelphia Eagles — Ogbonnia Okoronwko, LB, Oklahoma
Would love this draft!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not a chance in you no where that Lamar Jackson gets past the Cardinals, Chargers, Bengals, Saints, Steelers or Jaguars. Totally out of the realm of possibility.
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34 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:
No one's arguing he wasn't a prolific scorer and one of the greatest running QBs of all time.
It's convenient to leave out Taylor's senior year, which was his best after becoming the true starter, which was only 2 years.
Getting back to my point: both rely heavily on their run game, so they're very comparable. Is it even a bad comparison or are Jackson fans just so insecure that they want to ignore it and chastise anyone who doesn't?
Taylor is more accurate and relied less on his running ability to score.
Taylor's rushTD/passTD ratio: 52%
Jackson's: 72%
Jackson's also very inconsistent with his footwork, same as Taylor, and is a project, same as Taylor.
They're really comparable. It doesn't mean Jackson won't be a successful QB, so don't get so butthurt over this.
Picking Jackson at 22 is good value, anyway. If they can grab a star LB, for instance, at 12 and then Jackson at 22, that will be a good first round.
I didn’t include his Taylor’s senior season because Jackson’s leaving early. Does it really matter? Don’t you think that Jackson would have had yet another season of stellar passing stats in his senior season? Jackson beat him by 49 TD passes!Taylor got drafted in the 6th round and Jackson’s going to be drafted in the 1st round. You yourself said that you would draft him in the 1st round. Jackson is Pepsi and Taylor is RC Cola. They’re just not comparable.
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20 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:
So true. He's definitely not as accurate as Taylor.
Taylor thru JR year:36 Games
20 TD / 15 INT
55 PCT
123 Rating
Jackson thru JR year:38 Games
69 TD / 27 INT
56 PCT
140 Rating
There's no comparison of the two. One is (and has always been) a simple "play it safe" game manager…and one who is a franchise QB level play maker. Unlike Taylor, Jackson will have an actual long term NFL franchise QB career. -
I think they pick Rosen because he has the great "NFL ready" arm, and he has the strong personality and smarts to thrive in the NYC market.
Allen is a project and they already tried that with Hackenberg, and they didn't trade up and give up three 2nd round picks for a 6" QB in Mayfield.
Bills fans who are all in on Rosen probably should start getting to know Allen, Mayfield or Jackson a little bit better. I do think that Rosen will have a Bradford type of career because the Jets won't be able to protect him and keep him on the field after giving away so much.
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10 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
Being at 12 puts them in striking distance which allows them to trade up if their guy (Rosen or Allen either gets to 4, or is passed on by the Broncos). If quarterbacks go 1,2,3 and their guy is gone, then they can draft Jackson. I don't love him at 12 or 22 really, but 22 wouldn't bother me too much.
The Bills drafting Jackson at #12 or sooner is definitely a real possibility, for the simple fact that they passed on drafting either Watson or Mohomes last year. The franchise's decision to do that forces them into taking a QB one way or another. Because if they don't, they'll forever be questioned on what their thinking was not drafting Watson or Mahomes, and then not drafting one this year. They need a simple answer to the question of who their franchise QB is going to be. So their franchise QB will be either Allen, Mayfield, Rosen or Jackson.
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16 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:
Giants are traditionally a well run organization. Should it concern us that they don't see value in drafting Rosen and grooming him under Eli for a year or two?
I've read and heard that they like Davis Webb a lot, and the only QB that they would deem worthy of drafting #2 is Darnold.
So the Giants would have enough concerns about the other QBs (which there clearly are in Rosen, Allen and Mayfield) to move ahead with the QB they know already.
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5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I think its certainly in consideration I would imagine, as are multiple trade up scenarios.
Personally I think one of two things are the more probably scenario: Bills stay put at 12 and let the draft come to them and take the highest graded player on their board (QB or LB). Or they will make a cheaper trade up to somewhere like 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10 for one of the guys who dont go top 5.
Trading to 1 or inside top 5 is still a possibility of course, I am just skeptical that the Browns or Giants will trade those picks, or that Beane will pay the ransom it would take.
Me too, I just don't see the Giants (with Darnold gone) or Browns passing on drafting either Chubb or Barkley, and it's obvious they'll both be in that situation.
Browns: Darnold
Giants: Barkley or Chubb
Jets: Allen, Mayfield or Rosen
Browns: Barkley or Chubb
Broncos: ?
Colts: ?
Things seem to be shaking out ok for the Bills, as far as having options to get a QB goes.
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Give me Lamar Jackson at #12, redshirt him for 2018 (other than using him in special packages), let him develop properly. Then use all of the remaining picks (that weren't used in a huge trade up) to build the roster on both sides of the ball.
IMO, Jackson will be the steal of this draft. I just can't buy into Allen, Rosen or Mayfield hype. They all seem to have one or more major flaws that will keep them from ever becoming a long term NFL franchise QB. Jackson has all the tools, he just needs a year to develop both physically and mentally to become the franchise QB of the Bills that we've all been waiting for.
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14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
I'm hoping they get up to #2 to get Rosen.
Rosen scares the heck out of me with his lack of elusiveness and concussion history. Either you’d need a great line in front of him or he would need to become like Brady or Manning with getting the ball out of his hands quickly (it's possible, but that's asking a lot). I just think that his career will either be a short one or be kind of like a Bradford type of career.
This is why Lamar Jackson is a very good backstop option for the Bills. He does not have the passing skills of Rosen, but he has almost everything else and there are and were NFL QBs like Watson, Vick and Cunningham that serve as evidence and a blue print for having great success at the next level. Plus they have the perfect OC to make that plan work. Another plus, they get to keep #22, #53, #56, #65 and next years 1st rd pick. The last plus is he's not injury prone like Rosen seems to be.
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With Rudolph, I honestly don't see the reasons he's any better of an NFL QB than either McCarron or Peterman.
With Jackson, you have a QB with (IMO) the floor of Tyrod Taylor, and the ceiling of Vick/Watson/Cunningham. Jackson's the clear choice for the Bills between those two QBs.
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47 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
I've seen people throw around predictions for how much we have to give up to get to #2. I think everyone is lowballing the actual amount, so I calculated what we should expect based on what the Jets gave up to go from 6 to 3.
I'm using this chart:
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=Buf
And I give 2019 picks the value of the 16th pick 1 round earlier in 2018 (i.e. a 2019 1st is equal to the 16th pick in this year's 2nd round).
So the Jets usually would have needed 2200 points to get to pick 3. Using this chart what they actually gave up was 2730 points. That's a 24% increase in value.
Let's assume the Giants want the same premium, because why wouldn't they? They normally would ask for 2600 points. A 24% increase puts that at 3220 so that's what we need to get to #2.
Here's what gets us to 3220: both 1sts this year, both 2nds this year, pick 96 in the 3rd, and next year's 1st.
If that's what they asked for, would you take it?
You only do that if your team is built already. The Bills are just starting the rebuild.
Go on fan speak and do a 3 round draft with all their picks. Then do one with only picking Josh Rosen and the #96 pick.
Then ask yourself if you're ok with that trade, while also knowing you don't have the 2019 first round pick.
Peter King MMQB: 4/2/18.
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I've become more and more convinced that Jackson's going to become a transformational QB in the NFL. He's going to be the best QB from this draft by far. I think he's going to be a faster, more elusive Randle Cunningham and Michael Vick. I have no doubts that he's very high on the Bills board and I think the Mayfield stuff is a smokescreen. What a crazy draft this is going to be, so many differing opinions and options and scenarios. I can't fault anyone for have the opposite opinions than mine, seems everyone has a different feeling of how it will all go down.