ndirish1978
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7 minutes ago, uticaclub said:
He seemed ready to retire during his press conference. I expect minimal production from Bosa and little to no consequences for Beane.
Last week the conversation was "if Bosa has a monster year we're not going to be able to re-sign him cause he's going to get a monster contract so I'm glad we drafted Landon Jackson too" and now it's "yeah pretty sure his career is over." Gotta respect the immediate woe.
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Joey Bosa is made of Papier-mâché. I dunno why this guy can't stay healthy but it's probably a good thing that we only gave him a 1 year contract. On the positive side, drafting Landon Jackson and signing Hoecht helps me not feel too bad about this. Landon can spend the first 6 weeks developing as much as possible and we get Hoecht back after week 6 so hopefully Bosa is able to contribute for us when we need him to, but this tempers my expectation for him a bit.
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I have a feeling he's considering retirement. Have seen several podcasts where people have kind of eluded to "knowing something from sources" but obviously don't feel it's appropriate to put that out there. I could of course be reading into that too much, but the context of the statements indicated he seemed like he was leaning towards not playing anymore.
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1 hour ago, BobbyC81 said:
Well, maybe a higher drafted receiver would be better than the 5th WR.Another point: many of us talk about needing a WR that can go deep. In recent years, despite Josh’s strong arm, his deep passes are usually underthrown or overthrown. So, is he not that good at it? You’d think they’d practice it enough. I recall a few each for J. Brown and Diggs over the years but not that many.
The bolded is true, we would do better at WR5 if we drafted a receiver higher in the draft. The issue for those of us who are ok with not drafting a receiver in the top 4 rounds this year is that you would be replacing DE3 or DT3 with that pick (yes, I don't count Daquan because I think he's out). Our D-line is bad. I believe the resources were better spent addressing DT in the 2nd and 4th and a DE in the 3rd. You have the right to disagree, it just gets tiresome when a portion of the board runs around arguing that we should have taken a WR early, which is an opinion, like it's a fact that everyone who disagrees with is wrong.
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23 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:
More deep research conducted before making and well thought out post. Maybe check the post June 1 cut/trade before posting definitive nonsense? If you took two seconds to look… $9.2M hit the next 3 years with savings of 2M, 15M, 16M.
Obviously optimal, but Beane has proven he’s willing take on large cap hits to shed players he no longer wants.Someone is still mad from another thread. You're the guy complaining about not investing in the offense and you want to cut a defensive player and push dead cap to future years to handcuff the cap. Let's just leave the issue in the other thread and decide not to like each other and not cluster every other thread on the board with this nonsense. I'm going to do it regardless but you can feel free to remain triggered.
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Oliver's cap hit if we got rid of him in 2026 would be $21.585M. He's not going anywhere.
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11 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:
👏🏿 Bravo, that’s a nice and thorough review of FA cap space and draft capital spent on offense vs defense. The focus on the # of picks spent overall as the delineating factor was well thought out.
I’m wrong, we’ve obviously prioritized offense over defense the last 7 years because the # of picks spent on offense equal that of the defense…you win buddy. 😂
Glad to see you admit you're ridiculous. Thanks! I agree.
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4 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:
We keep losing to the Chiefs because they have better coaches across the board. It’s logical to say we score enough points to be able to beat the Chiefs, the offense isn’t the problem. But when you have greatly prioritized defense the last 7 years with the same net result, maybe it’s time to try something different
"Greatly prioritized" what a joke. Here's the prior 7 years in which we super duper prioritized our Defense and led to us losing in the playoffs.
2024 - 5 of 10 picks went to the offense - Even
2023 - 4 of 6 picks went to offense - Offensive Draft
2022 - 3 of 7 picks to offense, 1 pick was a punter. 3 picks to defense = Even
2021 - 4 of 8 picks went to offense - Even
2020 - 4 of 7 picks went to offense, 1 pick was a kicker - Offensive draft
2019 - 4 of 8 picks went to offense - Even
2018 - 4 of 8 picks went to offense, we traded up 2x to get Allen - Even
So last 7 years we have had 5 even drafts and 2 offensive ones. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good irrational whining session though. Great example of the people voicing your argument, it's all off "vibes." You FEEL something is real, so you crack your knuckles and type your little heart out making ridiculous statements without taking 2 seconds to think "maybe I should check to see if I'm right."
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4 pages and I'm surprised no one mentioned he didn't backtrack from his comments yesterday or give some perfunctory "yeah I came in a little too hot." I figured all the "it was not appropriate to speak like that" crowd would have their pitchforks out. Actually encouraged by this. WGR is a clownshow 90% of the time. I dunno why Buffalo as a community can't do better than Schopp, Jeremy White and DiBiase. They should just let the Cover 1 guys take over the programming, at least Thompsett, Prohaska, Turner and Quinn know ball.
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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:
There’s a level of hypocrisy that’s frustrating too. They traded a 3rd for 1/2 year of Cooper because they didn’t believe the room was good enough. They talked about how Coleman and Kincaid needed to get better. They talked about how they needed to stretch the field vertically. They used a significant portion of their top 30 visits on sub 4.4 guys that can get down field. They wouldn’t have wasted those visits as a “decoy.” They clearly wanted a guy there. Then when asked about it, they (Beane in this case) got all defensive and acted as if WR was never on the table. You’re not fooling anybody. Just say, “we had our eyes on a few guys to fill that role but it didn’t work out. We like Prather and think he had a chance to grow into that.” That’s much more respectable and believable than his interview yesterday.
I wouldn’t have been hard to satisfy in this draft. Had they added Thornton, for example, I would have been good. There were other guys in that range too. I didn’t need Golden to be satisfied just one of those guys in the middle rounds with that skill set. Hancock, Hawes and Porter are all decent value and football players. If they HAD to have Walker, so be it. I would have sacrificed 2 of those other 3 to secure 1 of those field stretchers. It’s so much more important IMO, than competition for Cam Lewis, Davidson/Gilliam and Ingram.
I understand that you wanted a WR. It's also possible that they brought in people they needed to meet with at a position of interest to check on their personalities and to test their processing speed. It's entirely plausible that several players didn't "pass" the meeting process and were simply not around to be picked at the value of pick they had been assigned. I don't really agree with the "he wanted a WR so it's a valid criticism to say they failed by not taking a WR." You can see the need for a field-stretching receiver but value the players available when you pick lower than another available position. Teslaa was projected to go in the 5-6th and went in the third in a trade up right before we picked. Not sure what you want Beane to do, throw away the value on his board to take a WR? The earliest spot I can see for them to have taken a specific-role WR over a position of extreme need would be 170 with Jordan Hancock. If you listen to Bean's interview on OBD he said the pick the scouts got the most excited about value was taking Hancock. They see him being a big nickel/safety and see a need to replace Cam and they thought that was more valuable that getting a WR 4-5 so that's a direct response to your opinion, they disagree. To give a specific response to a general complaint I see a lot of people making here I am copying this over from another post I made yesterday:
These are the WRs selected after we drafted Walker. Arian Smith 110, Jaylin Lane 128, Jalen Royals 133, Lambert-Smith 158, Tory Horton 166, LaJohnTay Wester 203, Jimmy Horn 208, Tommy Mellot 213, Tex Johnson 235, Ricky White 238, Kaden Prather to us at 240 and then 3 other jags.
I liked Lane, Royals and Horton. Let's see if we could have gotten them assuming teams would have traded us a pick in that range
Jaylin Lane pick 128 - 20 pts, Jaylen Royals pick 133 - 18 pts, Tory Horton pick 166 - 9 pts
At this point in the draft we had added CB, DT, Edge, DT. To trade up for Lane or Royals we would have needed to give up these players:
173 Jackson Hawes, 177 Dorian Strong, 206 Chase Lundt
To trade for Tory Horton would have cost us 170 206 and 240. I would have been happy had they done that, but they didn't and if they wanted Horton they could have traded 3 picks to get him. It's also possible the teams at 160-165 didn't want to trade with us. I don't see "hypocrisy" in any of that. We traded a pick for a receiver cause we thought he could help, he didn't help all that much. We replaced him with a younger receiver they expect can actually contribute. Beane NEVER acted like WR was not on the table, he reacted to two morons complaining about a draft that fell heavy on D and acted like we ignored the most important position, if you listen to their whining right before he went on that is what was happening. That is what annoys me about the contingent of fans hand-wringing and acting like Beane did anything wrong, he did not. He didn't say we didn't need a WR, he said specifically in response to their claim that he devalues the position that we took value in the draft and we scored 30 pts in each of the last 8 games. We didn't lose in the playoffs because we didn't have a vertical threat, we lost because the Defense was garbage.
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6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
So, they drafted Elam in the first the year before. They wouldn’t even put him on the field to improve. Basham was a 2nd and the same. Carter was a 3rd and a healthy scratch. That’s my point. They are saying, we need to replace guys like that along with solid back of the roster players in Lewis and Ingram. On offense they are saying, “everyone should get better.” They’re banking on improvement there but replacement on defense.
To be clear, the defense was in worse shape than the offense. The majority of the assets should have been allocated to the defense. I’ve yet to see anyone dispute that. With that being said, 1 of those mid round picks should have been dedicated to securing a field stretcher. No one is suggesting the defense shouldn’t have been addressed.
Understood. Elam was a big miss. It must have become pretty obvious to them that Elam just didn't have the tools or mental makeup to do well in their system. Defensive players generally have a shorter time to adapt to systems because as a rule they usually expect to get production earlier on that side of the ball, which makes sense.
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On 4/27/2025 at 7:25 AM, Kirby Jackson said:
I keep hammering on it in the other thread but why do they keep banking on improvement on offense but replacement on defense? Why were they so concerned with upgrading Cam Lewis, Dwayne Carter and J’Marcus Ingram but fine with development from Shavers, Coleman, and Samuel? You could have and should have tried to upgrade on both sides. The WR room needed one guy between rounds 2 & 5 (as it turns out) that could stretch the field. There were LOTS of options.
Because they drafted Kincaid and Coleman with their first pick the last 2 years, they need to get better. We know who we have on defense and Defense has been awful when it counts in the playoffs. If you want to quickly improve a team overall that has a B+ offense, A+ QB and a C- defense it's pretty clear you upgrade the defense to B or B+ and you're going to get dividends because they are dragging the team average down.
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13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Your numbers are off. First of all, 5 WRs on the roster are going to contribute. Whereas just 4 DTs are going to be your primary rotation - we did after all only keep 4 on the roster last year. Oliver, DQ, Sanders, Ogunjobi, Carter gives us 5 so even accounting for Ogunjobi's suspension we already had the room filled out before adding Walker. Meanwhile at WR we have a PS player and a former bust competing for the #5 spot. So I just completely disagree with you that an extra DT has more potential to contribute than an extra WR.
Also, the important thing with WR is we are missing a specific skill set which is of course vertical traits. Beane himself has admitted this. We met with all of the vertical WRs in the class so he can't act shocked when people are concerned about the position, clearly he knew it was a problem but didn't make the necessary moves to fix it. I agree the DT room was weak heading into the class, but we at least had bodies that could fill whatever role we needed. As of right now we still do not have a vertical WR on the roster.
You are correct, I was not counting Ogunjobi because he is suspended for the first 6 games. We have 2 DTs, we drafted 2. We don't have to keep 4, we can keep 5 and Carter will be inactive on gamedays unless there is an injury. Do I think DT was a bigger need than WR? Yes. You don't, it's ok for us to disagree. I agree that we are missing a vertical threat, though I think Palmer can do things down the field. I have addressed this in a post in another thread. There were 3 down the field threats available to use after drafting Walker, I believe drafting a bigger replacement for Cam Lewis and adding a 3rd TE with a blocking specialty was more important than getting someone like Noel or Royals, I presume you would not. I would note that Beane said the pick the scouts were most excited about falling into their laps was the nickel/hybrid safety from OSU so it seems like they had him rated higher than the 2 receivers. I liked Horton, so that seems to be the only guys who we could have picked but didn't.
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1 minute ago, Pete said:
No one is arguing about D. We are all in agreement that DL, Edge, CB needed prioritizing in draft. We just wanted one speedy WR who could catch. That’s it. Use every other pick on Defense. But giving Josh zero help when you have all those draft picks is aggravating.
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October 15 we traded for Amari. October 30, we scored 30 or more points in 8 games. That’s what having one speedy WR, can do for your offense.
We are lacking speed, and desperate for it.
I was responding to a single point made by a single poster.
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9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
I see fans saying a 4th round WR wouldn't have made a difference, but the same logic applies to a 4th round DT if that's the argument we're using. I think all the WGR hosts are clowns but Jeremy White's point that the Bills have under-prioritized the WR room is objectively correct. We have invested in the position less than any other team in the NFL and that isn't just my opinion, I have seen a chart that showed it definitively to be true even if you count Diggs as a 1st round pick. The apparent obsession with WRs that some of us have doesn't come from nothing, it comes from genuinely believing the position is a lot more important than this regime treats it.
I disagree. We invested our first pick last year on WR, we signed Palmer this year. We have Curtis Samuel and Khalil Shakir at WR. That is 4 players. At DT We have Oliver and a 3rd rd pick in Carter that couldn't get on the field last year and was a healthy scratch behind street FAs, that's it. DaQuon Jones is pretty much done, he's more likely to get cut than make the roster. So you're looking at a position that has 4 starters vs 1 that has a single starter. In that specific instance a 4th rounder at DT is absolutely able to be a difference-maker whereas a 4th rounder at WR would have to unseat one of 3 vets on substantial contracts or Coleman.
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38 minutes ago, BillsVet said:
Name a single key player acquired in the period between the draft ending and Week 1 by this organization in 8 years.
Reality is the two key player acquisition methods are over now and they're down to 4.1M in cap room which largely go to 2025 draftee contracts.
Come to think of it, when was the last time Buffalo signed a productive WR in UFA before or after the draft?
Nope, not over at all. You want to complain, I understand. Just don't act like your viewpoint is the only correct one.
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Conflating defensiveness with being tired of the same WGR crap is just incorrect. That station is just terrible. Beane lost his patience and i don't fault him for it.
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3 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:
I’m glad you asked what I would do.
Even if it were sarcastic. I wouldn’t have traded up for TJ sanders (feels like they’re admitting they missed on Carter, which kudos for being honest).
If I were going to trade up that high why not go a couple more picks higher and grab Luther Burden, the most explosive WR in the class and a kid that can do it all and fills the vertical threat we need. Or stay put with the 2 picks at the end of the 2nd and take Kyle Williams, best vertical threat in the draft instead of Sanders.
If they really needed sanders then fine at the bottom of the 4th to the top of the 5th grab Horton or Watkins.
But I do like the players selected in that range so let’s say they just couldn’t part with the TE they wanted to move up for one of those guys how about this can we trade a 7th rounder next year to move up and grab Tez Johnson? Yes combine sucked but the kid is a proven deep threat and very good returner.
I like most of the defensive players we selected but the trades up for DT, bypassing vertical threats made it obvious that the FO and McD don’t value keeping the WR cupboard young and cheap imo
Not sarcastic. I wanted to see what your actual thoughts were. From your answer I understand you would have put more draft resources into drafting WR3 over DT2. Now I know philosophically you and I will never agree and we can move on agreeing to disagree. You prefer to spend more than both of our second round picks to draft a WR3 with upside to be 2. A rookie WR would play on no more than 30% of downs as opposed to a DT who will be a starter and will play 45% of downs at a minimum. 4th or 5th rd players are not starting in this offense, Shakir put up really good stats and was used sparingly early on. Deone Walker should play a significant role as a rotational DT and adds size that no one on this team has. We NEEDED 2 DTs in this draft. We cannot hope to put up a semi-competent D without adding what we added.
So what I'm understanding from a couple of comments is that you wanted a deep threat. I agree, we need a deep threat. I guess I just don't agree that we needed a WR over the positions on defense.
These are the WRs selected after we drafted Walker. Arian Smith 110, Jaylin Lane 128, Jalen Royals 133, Lambert-Smith 158, Tory Horton 166, LaJohnTay Wester 203, Jimmy Horn 208, Tommy Mellot 213, Tex Johnson 235, Ricky White 238, Kaden Prather to us at 240 and then 3 other jags.
I liked Lane, Royals and Horton. Let's see if we could have gotten them assuming teams would have traded us a pick in that range
Jaylin Lane pick 128 - 20 pts
Jaylen Royals pick 133 - 18 pts
Tory Horton pick 166 - 9 pts
At this point in the draft we had added CB, DT, Edge, DT. to trade up for Lane or Royals we would have needed to give up 173,177,206. That would have left us with 7 picks total. We would have given up both 5th rounders and our early 6th. Meaning we would pick at 127 and then not again until 170, then 206. What would we have given up to do that:
173 we drafted a blocking TE. We didn't have one but sure I'll give that up.
177- Dorian Strong - I like him a lot. I'm happy we got him.
206 We drafted a swing tackle to learn the position so we have the option to use Alec Anderson to play guard next seasons since we can't pay Cybo, Edwards and McGovern
I would call this a push, I would probably like Royals the same amount as I like these 3 players
To trade for Tory Horton would have cost us 170 and 240. I wish they had done that. 170 We drafted a hybrid nickel/safety to replace the undersized Cam Lewis. I have been asking for a replacement at that position so this pick made me happy. I don't know if they liked him or if they thought he was equal value to Jordan Hancock but I can see valuing that WR role equal to the hybrid player we selected.
So, the point I agree with you on is we could have selected Tory Horton, I wish they had, but maybe they liked him less than we do. They picked a WR 74 picks later and Beane said that he was surprised the board lined up to where value matched the pick that late. All I can say is that the Bills and the league didn't value Horton higher than Jordan Hancock by a lot or I think we would have traded up to get him. As a general philosophy I can say we probably disagree as to the value of a field stretching WR over other positions, but I appreciate you putting your thoughts down. The draft isn't the entire offseason, there are speedy receivers who are known commodities on the market like Moore and Chark. I don't think it's fair to say we ignored the position when it's April.
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He's a viable signing. We could sign Kennan Allen or Chark at this point for the vet min and half this board would call them over-the-hill jags.
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18 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:
Didn’t like the way Beane came in hot. Valid questions were asked regardless of our point totals and per game last year. Lost respect for Beane after that nonsense. Grow a pair and answer the concerns of your fans and media without belittling them with fantasy football nonsense. You scored 30+ because you have Josh Allen don’t act like it’s much more than that. Invest in him with cheap long term options instead of expensive jags that other teams didn’t want and maybe get a player that can stretch the field and keep the safeties honest so Josh isn’t playing backyard 7 on 7 football
So we scored 30 and we still have Josh Allen, what's your point? We lost in the playoffs because our D was horrendous. They spent the draft addressing the Defense. I would be quite upset if we hadn't double dipped at DT, which they did. They also double dipped at CB to try to maximize the chance we have a player on the roster who can fill that spot? This is the perfect example of someone complaining just to complain. Which pick exactly would you have wanted Beane to draft a WR instead of who was drafted? Who would you have picked and why are they better for the team NOW than the player picked.
Oh and I could care less that you "didn't like the way he came in hot." Your argument is simply "you work for me, tell me how my opinion is valid and special and why you're wrong."
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2 minutes ago, buffblue said:
I approve of the defensive heavy approach in the draft and believe it was the right course of action, both for our biggest needs and because the draft crop this year was way more talented on that side of the ball. But that does not mean that the criticism of Beane for the status of the wide receiver room is unwarranted.
The offseason is not over yet. As evidenced by the visit of Elijah Moore today, they don't think the WR room is good to go. After a certain point in the draft you're drafting developmental talent that can't be banked on to come in and unseat vets. I think it's pretty logical to think "we did't get a guy in the top few rounds at WR because we were addressing needs that we cannot run out and sign in free agency, I can take a swing at a traitsy WR (like we did with Shakir and the coaches didn't count on him consistently for a couple years) or I can continue drafting depth at positions we have no depth at and make sure we have sufficient resources on ST, then we can supplement the WR room with vets where we know what we're getting when we sign them." Beane said he didn't think the board would line up so that their WR pick was in the 7th, he has shown that he agrees we could use another person in there, but the constant chirping about it is really boring.
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1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said:
I haven't listened to his show, has he been campaigning for a first round pick on a WR and complaining about that, or did he want a speed WR in the mid rounds or FA? The latter I don't have a problem with. If he's complaining they didn't go after a super high-end receiver with draft capital or FA money then I agree with Beane that you can't have everything
He injects it into every conversation. Before the draft Marino was listing options in the 1st and 2nd for our picks. After Joe listed the logical CB/DE/DT players that we could target White was always saying "and if we go WR, which guys are available." It's a constant nonstop drone.
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To the people ripping on Beane or saying his words were "inappropriate", get over yourselves. The media is not some sort of untouchable, venerable institution that cannot be criticized. We led the league in points, we signed Palmer to have a matchup guy with speed and then offseason isn't over yet. Every conversation I've heard on the radio about the draft is these stooges complaining that we didn't do exactly what they, the media, would have wanted. I do not care, I've been sick of it as well. Beane was well within his rights to push back against it and say the complaints are stupid.
White runs around on the radio, on his podcast with Joe Marino and takes every conversation about any other position and brings it back to WR and he has been doing it for a long time now. The schtick is old and for some reason he seems proud of it. It's a waste of time and it is stupid.
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I'm bummed that the Dolphins got both the DTs I actually wanted. Not too thrilled with the Walker pick, I wanted Phillips or CJ West.
I never watch ESPN, I can't stand Kiper. Eisen has been ball washing for about 4 straight picks though. He is the 2nd QB drafted by that team and the 5th QB, I don't care about him at all. Wish they would stop.
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What is this show in Netflix - Sirens?
in The Stadium Wall
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The producer is a Bills fan. The series doesn't appear to be any good but I don't think any shade was meant.