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Hey leave me out of this.

The IDF certainly agreed with the PA's actions. The volatility of the area and the heightened security makes life difficult for anyone trying to run security.

http://www.jerusalem-religions.net/spip.php?article3028 Were the PA protecting their borders as well?

I didn't know that. Thanks

No peace treaty was ever signed unlike with Egypt.

They are completely different situations. US isn't at war with its neighbors. The infiltrators aren't attacking the borders.

With Syria, yes. (forgive the wiki link but i'm too lazy to look further) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Syria_relations With Lebanon? Given that it's pretty much in control by Hezbollah, what do you think?

Is Mexico in a state of war with USA?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't over 50 people actually get through the border? You really think a country that is at a state of war with another country (Syria) will let their borders be infiltrated?

Have you ever seen Israeli women? Maybe they sent them over to the UN to negotiate

I agree. I was mostly generalizing from the opinions you can get just by surfing the internet for 5 minutes. Of course I believe they should hold themselves to higher standards but I do believe security is very important. In terms of the things you mentioned much earlier in this thread (white phosphorus, etc), that is the result of warfare. Besides that, lack of security in some areas have cost Israeli lives (i.e. during the second intifada) and is obviously their priority. Where exactly? Besides Tunisia, I don't see any actual change. Of course it's too early to tell but I wouldn't be surprised if 10 years down the line, life will not have changed much. That's all well said of course is it actually feasible? I'm not going to regurgitate what GG said earlier. I do sympathize with those who lost their land but life is, and never was fair. Oil.

Bottom line, if Israel wouldn't exist, do you think the people living there would have been living in a vibrant democracy? For me that`s the issue.

It's amazing how Israel is the biggest problem in the middle east. Meanwhile Assad paid his respects at a funeral yesterday. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/syrian-toll-hits-900-as-forces-fire-on-funeral/story-e6frg6so-1226060653673

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4071786,00.html I thought you'd enjoy this article. On November 2, 2010, the US electorate decided that President Obama was detached from domestic reality, and therefore dealt the Democratic Party a devastating defeat in federal and state legislatures, as well as in gubernatorial elections. In his May 19, 2011 speech on the Middle East, the President proved himself detached from Mideast reality as well.

My link

Welcome to politics. I'd love to know how bibi would look to his voter base (remember he gets elected) when he signs a peace agreement with a political group who doesn't believe they should exist...

That's a disputed fact. Irregardless, no one ever got anywhere listening to other peoples opinions. They did what they needed to do, and on three fronts, mind you, dominated their opponent. I'm sure Arabs wouldn't have been crying had Israeli's gotten creamed in the Yom Kippur war. I know what your point is, simply put I'm also addressing the issue of how there will never be a peace agreement as long as extremists still have a voice. The first thing Hamas did when they united with Fatah was announce that they would not recognize Israel. The only reason they did was that they did not lose support from the extremists that support them.

Not agreeing with Israel does not make someone an anti-semite. In reality, there are many Jews who are against the occupation in the West Bank and the treatment of Palestinians. You see that simply by clicking on Haaretz.com. Of course this kind of liberty does not seem to exist in Arab countries as you may have noticed in the last few months. With regards to Hamas, it seems that there are some groups inside Gaza who believe that Hamas is "softening". That in itself will make it difficult, let alone impossible to actually negotiate any peace with Palestinian groups.

I saw this on another forum, posted by an Israeli. Don't know how accurate it is but I'm guessing this is what bibi is referring to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIakII4AFnY&feature=player_embedded

It depends. I guess Barak's all think alike? http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/barak-israel-u-s-differences-on-peace-process-smaller-than-they-seem-1.363162

I guess Obama lost the memo?

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/128275-israel-lobby/page__p__2130291__hl__aipac__fromsearch__1#entry2130291 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/128205-sarah-palin-defines-unconditional-support-for-israel/page__st__40__p__2134011__hl__aipac__fromsearch__1#entry2134011

So you still think Israel controls the world you !@#$ing retard?

My solution to the gas prices is I walk to work

Costs me $50 CAD to fill up a 2000 Honda Civic. So essentially 52.08 at todays FX rate. Cry me a river.