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It's positively hysterical that you're posting about how we dominated mediocre competition at the end of last season while lauding the Vikings offense as "improving more and more each week" when two of their last three opponents were friggin' Detroit and horrific Green Bay. Oh, and in the other game against the Giants, their offense got had ELEVEN first downs, TWELVE rushing yards and ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN total yards for THE GAME. That's apparently a juggernaught in the middle of Virginia.
Go look in the mirror, Francis. You're literally the Baron Fuktard of football analysis.
As opposed to say the Bills who can't even stay competitive with say the Saints, because they are road games.
I seem to remember the Vikings being as about as putrid as the Bills at one point this season. But let's see, one team is seeming to be getting better, ON THE ROAD even, and one team is a joke on the road.
Yeah, to me, the Vikings are getting better, because they were the fuggin Lions and Packers about 4 weeks ago. They aren't bad lately with Brad Johnson at QB. I don't give a sh-- who it's against. And the fact that their offense is starting to click ON THE ROAD, is good enough for me.
Again, another internet wannabe who types well. Of course though, in Alaska, I hear the 6 on 6 football is played well.......maybe that's what makes you....an expert on good one liners......I mean football.
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I'm with you. Ever notice how those of us that say MW dominated last year (which he did) are morons, because other posters, who are obviously offensive line gurus, state that its plain as day that MW sucked last year.
Too many posters say MW sucks because he didnt play terribly well in his first 2 seasons. Therefore, he will always suck, and will never improve.
And dont even get me started about this season. MW has a high ankle sprain. That type of injury lingers on for a long time, and some players miss significant portions of the season with one. One cant fairly comment on MW's play this season because of his injury.
Its simple. MW played great last season. He looked good in week 1. Week 2, he gets hurt, and his play hasnt been up to par. Think the ankle may have something to do with that?
Mike Williams didn't DOMINATE last year. Mike Williams wasn't GREAT last year. He was serviceable. Dominators and great players are all pro's. Mike Williams is never even considered in the same breath with all pro's OR guys being considered all pros.
And if Big Mike was so good this season after DOMINATING last season, why the hell would they switch his offensive line position this year? He may be hurt, anyone can concede that, but there's no way an NFL team switches a DOMINATING, and GREAT offensive tackle to another spot on a line, so he can dominate and be great at a less demanding line spot.
Wake up. After all the ass-sucking McNally worshippers, I can't imagine God McNally moving Big Mike to another spot because he's been so "dominating".
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I still think it seems like too much of a coincidence that MW *dominates* the second half of last season, dominates the first few games of this season, gets his ankle rolled up on, and all of a sudden doesn't play well. Yet it's not an injury issue, it's because he's fat, lazy, and has no heart.
CW
I'm also thinking its pretty much the Kool-Aid crowd who thought MW was dominating last year as well as this year.
The Bills as a whole pretty much dominated the high school teams we played in the 2nd half of the season last year. I don't know anyone, outside of the same crowd of fans who always think every Bills player dominates, that thought MW was dominating this year before his injury.
The lack of insight into this team, and analyzation of who we actually beat last year has us in our position that we are in now. Mike Williams never dominated anyone of any stature in the league. He might have had a moment or two here and there, but he never has dominated. But hell, everyone in this league has had moments.
If TD would have realized that we haven't had a great win in his five years here, including last years run, he would have realized that we were good enough to beat all medicore teams but we need players to make the next step. Instead, he acutally drank his own Kool-Aid, and stood put, and even subtracted players, and now we even suck worse.
I also think that the ankle injury to Williams has hurt him much more than people are letting on. I don't think however, that he is even anything approaching Bryant McKinnie at this point. The Vikes have no inkling or thought of anyone being their LT as long as McKinnie is under contract. That's enough to top the MW pick right there.
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Let me just jump in there and clear some things up before the Council rests.
You've been jumping all over McKinnie. Bottom line is results. He is achieving his purpose out there. Is he blowing people up like Tony Boselli in his prime? No, but he's BLOCKING. That's his job. 10 games, 1 sack allowed, and that was in garbage time of a blowout. At 6'9" he doesn't get his pads down and move the pile, but still he blocks effectively in the running game. He had the largest wingspan of any player in the NFL when he joined the league, and that's what keeps right handed QB's from getting blindsided. We've had a few of those righties, and if they keep getting hit like JP got hit by Shawn Merriman at the end of that game last Sunday, we might need to acquire some more soon.
I saw your claim about Williams playing in as many games as McKinnie. That may be technically so, but not counting incomplete performances by Williams and counting McKinnie's holdout against him is just a bit inequitable,
Wouldn't ya' say? Does "The Big Excuse" get a gold star for coming in for a few snaps now? I mean, like he's done for so much of this season? Or just for playing a quarter before he gets knocked unconscious or has to be helped off the field by a trainer because of a bad hammy? The reality is, Williams has spent the equivalent of a full season sidelined by one injury or another in his brief 3.5 seasons. That may fly for a playmaker like Randy Moss, but not for a grunt. That guy needs to be in there every play.
Like McKinnie.
The extent of the holdout in McKinnie's rookie year (8 games) accounts for the ONLY games he's missed as a pro. A holdout, which was caused by the Vikings attempt to break the slotting system which has effectively determined how draft picks will be paid, not by McKinnie asking for a penny more than his predecessor at that selection. Anyone remember the Vikes skipping on a draft pick and KC jumping ahead of them.......yeah, THOSE Vikings.
Did the guy get it on with a hooker on the Love Boat and then destroy the evidence? Who cares, he's going to Honolulu by plane and he's way too tall to join the mile high club in one of those bathrooms. Beside, E Moulds does that every weekend, sans the boat. Hell, if we found out Mike Williams had sex with a woman, it would at least alleviate concerns about him even having a pulse.
They would have been better off selecting McKinnie. It's only revisionist history because it wasn't done right the first time.
How dare you post something intelligent about McKinnie. It's only a matter of time before the RAH RAH, Bills can do no wrong crowd, tries to rip this thing apart.
Nice post, not that it matters here though. At least with the direction of the team now, the people who continue to refute stuff like this look more and more like idiots.
Thanks for the sanity, I'll buy you a cold one at a game sometime!
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I watched McKinnie staggering around looking like a stiff that had stepped in a pile of quick-crete at halftime. As disappointing as Mike Williams has been, even he hasn't looked as awful as McKinnie has most of the times I've seen him.
Thank you for once again reinforcing the fact that you have no idea what you're watching. It makes your soon-to-be-over crusade that much more explicable.
God, I can't stand you. Not that it matters, but this has to win the stupidest post ever, hands down, award.
Seriously, this boggles my mind how ignorant you are toward people. If no one agrees with you and your Kool-Aid approach, all you do is attack their "crusade". So, let me get this straight.....we have one of the WORST lines in the NFL. Mike Williams can't start on that line. However, this is your brilliant quote......
"As disappointing as Mike Williams has been, even he hasn't looked as awful as McKinnie has most of the times I've seen him."
But yet, McKinnie is a starter at the most demanding position on his team's line, that is seeing its offense improve more and more every week. Yet, Mckinnie , according to your brilliance" is not only awful, but he's worse than Mike Williams, "most of the times". Are you seriously that far stuck up everyone at OBD's ass, or are you seriously that ignorant? You don't even have to think McKinnie is that good. But, there is no comparison between the two at this point in their careers.
Seriously, for as much as you rip on people, you are a true moron. You are a hateful, arrogant, moron. Seriously Simon, wake up.
Of course, this is coming from the same guy that insists we are only a player or two away from being dominant or whatever drivel you like to spew from time to time.
I would do ANYTHING, to compete on a field of play against you. ANYTHING.
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Seems there is SO much hype about the Chargers...and yes, offensively, with Gates and LT, they are a nightmare to matchup with....but has anyone seen their defense, especially their pass defense?! Putrid!!!! And get in a close game with Marty..Ill take my chances with his conservative style and questionable playcalling.
Sure, the Bills will have a hard time stopping SD, but why cant the Bills move the ball on SD's defense if Brooks Bollinger can??
Discuss.
Come on man. It's amazing how one win at home can cloud everyone's mind. The Bills on the road.....against a team off of a bye......on the west coast. That spells disaster.
Now, add in that the Bills are pathetic on the road under TD / MM / and GW period. This includes losing records against teams under .500, over .500, you name it. This is true this year, last year etc......
So, what's going to change? This is going to be the best team we've played this year by far. SD has played a horrid schedule, and now that they've hit a soft spot vs. us at home, there's no way they overlook this game.
It's not going to change because we actually beat a mediocre team at home. Let's just hope JP continues to mature and continues to progress in a tough road environment. That would be a major plus for the Bills instead of worrying about us winning the AFC East at 7-9.
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I know we have a bad offensive line. But WM looks so slow sometimes. And he
doesn't go all out driving for those extra yards. It seems that he picks and chooses
his spots. Sometimes I think he is holding back to prevent injury. In other words
he looks like he wants out of Buffalo when his contracts up. I would like to have
another top notch RB on the roster. This way we can put some presssue on Willis.
I know what you mean. He's 5th in rushing. 17th in yards per carry. But, the telling stat for his speed (or lackthereof) is that he is 28th in the league in longest runs from scrimmage this year at a 27 yard long. There are 27 starting RB's that have ripped off longer run gains than him. And even though our line sucks, that indicates big play potential. Even behind a bad line, RB's can make a play here or there on their own. Willis doesn't seem to have the burst necessary to do that. He's also not much of a threat receiving.
This isn't a popular opinion on a mostly homer board, but Willis isn't the elite back people with blinders on claim he is. He is, however, pretty damn good, but I sure hope TD doesn't overpay to keep him.
But, in our favor is that Willis may not be fully recovered from the injury like some experts claim. If that is the case, he does have potentional to reach elite status. Let's hope he still has some room to improve.
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I smell tease of the year next week......both cases will show classic symptons.....
Our beloved Buffalo Bills on the road.....out to the west coast......vs. San Diego off of a bye......
Coupled with...
Our AFC East rival NY Jets on the road.....out to the west coast (basically)....vs. Denver......
The early lines.....
Buffalo +9 1/2 and the NY Jets +12 1/2
Tease of the Year......
San Diego - 2 1/2 along with Denver - 5 1/2
Bet the house on it!!!!
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I thought so. It seemed like early on in the game, the Chiefs were running a lot of stunts that were sending outside guys right back in a loop and over the G/C area where Big Mike was.
Then after two of them, Big Mike was history. I was wondering.....maybe someone heard something in postgame comments?
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Was he?....it seemed alot of early KC stunts were killing the middle area of the line. Was Big Mike benched because of this? Just curious.
Anyone know?
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best lineman, and dominates in the years to come (In fact, he becomes easily our best OL'man), would he be considered a failure at his current salary because he is a guard?
I have no motives here, I'm just wondering what people would think. Remember, it's a hypothetical, which we all hope would happen.
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Save it E, some people here just don't get that. It's amazing how low their expectations are set.
It's apparent to most football fans that TD is a failure in Buffalo. Seriously, convincing homers of that is about impossible. I have to laugh when they point out the good things TD has done. Here's a friggin newsflash.....what fuggin NFL team HASN'T drafted or made some good moves? The logic and mindset of that is unreal. Hell, the Pittsburgh Pirates in major league baseball have had 13 years of losing seasons in a row. They have still drafted and developed some studs, even though they suck. So has TD. His failures to address other areas adequately enough, outside of his good picks are what is killing us. He has no idea how to put a complete product on the field. But hey, he sells tickets and jerseys!
We are in some select, bad company, when you look at who HAS NOT been to the playoffs in the last five years under their GM.
Oh, how far we've fallen. But hey, cut TD some slack, after all, it's nice being known and compared to expansion teams and the New Orleans Saints. Welcome to the Tom Donahoe era of Buffalo Bills football.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. McKinnie has underachieved, but he has rare talent, so it's relative. He's been good, he's been out there EVERY
game and is rounding into elite status at the critical left tackle position. You had no idea how the guy was playing this year, you were just spouting BS to defend the MW pick.
There WERE doubters of Williams. He had a bad knee. He had a weight problem. His footwork in pass protection couldn't have been much worse. He was NOT the dominant player in college McKinnie was. Donahoe got paralyzed by overananlysis, and so did a lot of non-college football watchers like Sullivan.
Your arguments on this subject have been pure nonsense, the only people who have thought that Williams was a better pick than McKinnie have been the kool aid drinking Bills fans who tried to dig up trash articles on McKinnie every time Williams managed to string a few starts together.
Facts are facts. McKinnie plays LT, Williams is a G or RT. McKinnie plays every game, Williams watches from the tub. McKinnie is going to Honolulu this February, Williams is going to the couch at his mama's house with a 50 gallon drum of dead animal slathered in barbecue sauce. Williams is grossly overpaid, McKinnie is a good value for a LT. It is what it is.
I actually like TD, but I'm not going to blow smoke. I knew McKinnie was the best choice for the Bills, but I didn't HATE the Williams pick because I just placed my faith in Donahoe that he knew what he was doing and Williams would be a better pro than he was in college. However, it was only a matter of months before it became clear he was not the LT of the future, but a lumbering RT. He wasn't more than what he looked like on the field Texas, that's ALL he was.
If Williams could have not lived up to being grossly out of shape and not had a series of leg injuries the pick would have at least been productive and I could live with that. But he is what he is, and worst of all, it turns out that the Mike Williams they drafted was nothing like the gregarious pre-draft fellow he pretended to be. Turns out, Donahoe got snookered in the interview room again(see Gregg Williams). Time to face the facts, Williams was a bad pick. Four years of mostly bad football and DNP's is a pretty fair indicator. I hope he becomes a great guard and plays here for another decade, but the statute of limitiations is up on defending Donahoe for that cutesy pick.
Well done Bad'ol, well done!
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Correct you are:
I downloaded this via Nexis...just goes to show why 235 reasons aren't nearly enough when it comes to Sully.
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DONAHOE'S 'STUD' POKER TACTICS LAND NATION'S BEST RUN BLOCKER
By: Jerry Sullivan
The Buffalo News
April 21, 2002
It would have been a lot more dramatic if the Drew Bledsoe deal had gone through. All day long, I had my fingers positioned over the computer keys, ready to declare it the Bills' most significant personnel upgrade since Jim Kelly rolled into town in 1986.
But it was a good day for the home team just the same. General Manager Tom Donahoe, who would make a fine poker player, did the wise thing on draft day. After all the speculation about trading down, he stayed in the No. 4 slot and nabbed offensive tackle Mike Williams, who should be a mammoth mainstay for years to come.
The more the Bills' personnel men looked at it, and the more time they spent examining their needs and weighing the possibilities, the more obvious it became that Williams was the guy. In the end, all the talk about trading down was just that. Talk. No one called the Bills, seeking to move up, and the Bills weren't calling anyone, either.
That's how sure they were about Williams, an uncommonly nimble 375-pounder from the University of Texas. Donahoe said it would have taken an "unbelievable" offer to move them out of the fourth hole in the draft. When their time came, they barely hesitated and made him the highest-drafted offensive lineman in franchise history.
Donahoe has a reputation for trading down on draft day. Maybe he could have traded down, grabbed a defensive lineman and picked up an extra pick in the process. But at some point, it's not about extra picks. It's about finding a player who is so good, so remarkably gifted, that you have to take him.
It had been a long time since the Bills drafted that sort of player. They hadn't picked in the top 10 since Shane Conlan in 1987. From 1991 to 2001, they had just one pick in the top 20 -- Ruben Brown at No. 14 in 1995. They hadn't picked an offensive lineman in the first OR second round since '95.
So the time had come for the Bills to get a stud, and even more imperative to address the position that has been in disarray almost since their last Super Bowl trip: offensive line. Donahoe has done a terrific job filling holes on his team, adding depth and skill through free agency. But if you're going to win the Super Bowl, you need a core of players who went high in the draft. Williams is a good start.
LSU's Josh Reed was a surprise in the second round, but there wasn't a more productive receiver in college last season. We're not talking about a player from some obscure conference. He player in the SEC and had 19 catches for 293 yards against Alabama. Presumably, the Bills are already preparing for Peerless Price's departure in free agency after the season.
There are still big questions on defense. How do they intend to stop the run? With Tyrone Robertson and Ron Edwards? Might they be waiting to scoop up some free agent linemen when NFL teams purge their rosters after June 1? And who is going to quarterback this team? If not Bledsoe, then who? Will they go back to Jeff Blake? Or will it be Alex Van Pelt's team?
One thing is fairly certain. No one will be howling about Donahoe failing to address his offensive line.
Last year, he was roasted for failing to take Kenyatta Walker in the first round. The O-line was bad, and injuries made it worse. At times, the Bills were forced to start tackles who were barely qualified as backups.Donahoe bristled whenever Walker's name was mentioned; he was quick to point out that Nate Clements, the cornerback he'd taken instead, had acquitted himself well in his rookie year. He said Jonas Jennings, his third-rounder, would perform like a top pick. Still, he knew the line was a problem, and he did something about it.
Donahoe had been cagey about his intentions. When he signed Marcus Price and Trey Teague in free agency, it fed speculation that the Bills were going defense in Round One. But Donahoe wanted a superstar on his offensive line, a player who could be the engine for a legitimate power running attack.
"If we want to be a quality football team, it starts with the offensive line," Donahoe said Saturday after selecting Williams. "That's the No. 1 priority. We have to get better there. Once you get better there and you're able to control the ball, it makes your whole team better. A quality offensive line, where you put your team in the position to control the ball for 33, 34, 35 minutes a game, it improves your defense."
If Williams is as good as advertised, he'll also help the defense. If you run well, you keep your defense off the field. You send them back out with better field position. As offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride
says, you dictate to the opposition rather than vice versa.Football is a simple game. Run and stop the run. Last year, the Bills were constantly in second-and-long. That's a recipe for offensive disaster. It also exposes your quarterback to injury because long down-and-distance plays invite pass rushers to pin their ears back and come after you. Run effectively on first down and it's a different game.
The Bills have drafted the best run blocker in America. Tailback Travis Henry has to be the happiest guy in town -- along with Brown, who has a star quality tackle to play alongside, and with a personality to rival his own. One of those draft-day commercials on ESPN concluded Sunday with Williams saying, "The camera loves me."
The quarterbacks will love him, too; a good running game is a QB's best friend. I don't know who it will be, or how good an arm he has. But if this thing works out as planned, he'll do some of his best work handing off.
e-mail: jsullivan@buffnews.com
LMAO.....and while I like Sully for firing back at TD's little chirade of passing out PFW in a media session.....this is priceless. LMAO
You need to attach this article and email it to Sullivan. I agree 100% about what Sully said today, HOWEVER, he shouldn't have been the one to write it!
Email this to Sullivan and see what he has to say!
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Bingo! And yet, Sullivan is a dickhead for doing his job, but Tom Donahoe (a failure as a GM) isn't a dickhead for circulating PFW around that media day.
I give Sullivan credit for having some pride on challenging a smug-ass GM, who has done nothing while in Buffalo, and throwing back in his face what TD himself started with the PFW chirade. The more that comes out about Donahoe, they more you can see he's full of himself. Looks like his reputation coming our of PIttsburgh is well deserved.
Now, and thank god, but still......now, you have a NFL offensive co-ordinator for a NFL team that applies for a job at TEMPLE for christs sakes. Think all is well under the Tom Donahow reign? Think again.
FIFTH YEAR, and nothing to show for it.
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OK, I agree to an extent. So, if I add numbers from the three previous years, it gets even worse than this. So, what does that tell us about the GM after 5 years?
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Note to self.... First time head coaches who end their 1st year of coaching with a winning record are bums and must be replaced by a "name" who has been involved in a superbowl game. By being involved in a superbowl game, this makes them smarter than other coaches. Therefore, in conclusion, only existing coaches who have already attended a superbowl should be considered as head coaches by any team.
Regarding Mularkey....How bout these numbers, what kind of reputation does this kind of record get you?
24 Games of Data
Overall
Vs. teams under .500 (8-3)
Vs. teams at .500 (2-1)
Vs. teams over .500 (2-8) Best win vs. 10-6 NY Jets (home)
On the road......
Vs. teams under .500 (2-3) Worst Loss vs. 5-11 Oakland
Vs. teams at .500 (1-1)
Vs. teams over .500 (1-4) Best win vs. 9-7 Seattle
At home.....
Vs. teams under .500 (6-0) N/A
Vs. teams at .500 (1-0)
Vs. teams over .500 (1-4) Best win vs. 10-6 NY Jets
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i'm an alum, and even i know that job is a death sentence. as a matter of fact, i know that better than most.
i can't imagine in a million years why he would do it. i guess the only thing more surprising was that weasel rick neuheisel was supposedly a candidate at one point.
only thing i can figure is that all these "new commitments(i.e. money and facilities)" they've made must be something special. but honestly, every 5-7 years we get another assload of "new commitment" from the administration and all it ever brings us is another generation of UB-quality D1 football- a gigantic waste of energy and resources for a university that functions as a giant commuter school. they keep kidding themselves that they are going to turn north philly into some sort of rah-rah big-10 type environment, but everyone knows it is NEVER gonna happen.
clements really wants to bang his head against the wall at temple?? why, and for how long?? surely not any longer than necessary. as going 500 in the MAC conference would be akin to feeding all 30000 temple students with one armload of loaves and fishes.
clements from the bills to temple? i know things haven't been going well this year, but i don't get it.
Let's hope he gets the job. Do you think Clements would take Donahoe with him to be the AD at Temple? We can only hope.
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Drew Rosenhaus. Seriously, there is a battle coming to Buffalo with McGahee. Take it to the bank.
This crap on TV today, about Owens, is completely unreal.
Get ready, it's coming. It's all about Drew. Completely. This guy is a total dickhead. His client is getting exactly what he deserves. Let's hope the Eagles have the stones to stick with it.
PLEASE stick to it Philadelphia. Seeing Rosenhaus squirm is about as fun as seeing Donald Fehr squirm in front of congress.
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Awesome, now this gives some hope at least. Maybe they are willing to admit their mistakes.
Anything on JP yet, or do we still think we're gonna win the division?
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TD has rightly drawn a ton of criticism for signing Bennie Anderson. FYI, in case you missed it, the other two "finalists" for our LG spot are both struggling mightily this season and wouldn't have been any better.
Rick DeMulling, who signed with Detroit who outbid us at the last minute, has been benched for the last 3 weeks in favor of a rookie, and may be cut this week:
http://www.mlive.com/lions/stories/index.s...0340.xml&coll=1
Kendrick Vincent, who the Ravens signed to replace Bennie, has also been awful.
It's not an easy job, folks.
Who gives a damn about Bennie Anderson.....what about the whole team he has signed.....how exactly have they fared since Ole Tommy Boy has taken over.....oh, that's right........no playoff berths.
Anderson is just one in a glut of failures under the Donahoe watch.
Amazing how many people accept this crap team we have. Oh how far we've fallen as a franchise.
Bryant McKinnie...
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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This is how I view Mike Williams 100%. But for people to rip Bryant McKinnie just because Williams is becoming a stiff is pure horseshit. Just because we chose the wrong one of the two.
McKinnie seems, by most people around the league, to be fitting in well.....so well, he might just see the pro bowl soon.
I just don't see why some people have to insist on tearing down McKinnie, when he is clearly more valuable at this point.