Turbo44
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2 hours ago, BeastMaster said:
Wasn't that in a dome?
Try doing that in NewEra
a lot of glass half empty people here. Especially for a 5th rd pick and a late 5th in that -
I doubt they would have taken dugger over Epenesa as Epenesa is higher rated and can be utilized more in our D. Now, what would have been interesting is if Diggs would have lasted to 54. Epenesa or Diggs? Probably still Epenesa
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1 hour ago, CardinalScotts said:
great they arent gonna make the team but nice words
Is that you Beane or maybe you’re McDermott?
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1 hour ago, USABuffaloFan said:
And fumbled when given the chance a couple times.
Trey Adams is making this Roster. Played 17 games in a row after ACL and Back injuries. He wasn't 100%. 6'8" 330lbs 1st round pedigree. Maybe he is inactive but he will be on the 53 man Roster.
I’d guess PS
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2 hours ago, MrSarcasm said:
I'm saying 90% of 4th and 6th rounders are Andre Robert's and Mckendrick caliber players and it is unrealistic to expect them to be the 10%. I understand being a fan and what that means but geesh can we please step outside of the bubble on this one.
90% of drafts aren’t as deep as this one at wr. Top WR can come from any round, Diggs was a 5th rounder, Andre Reed a 4th rounder. Who knows if Gabriel or Hoskins turn out to be difference makers but I think they have a good chance of being better than the Fosters and duke’s of the world
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Great - she can’t do her current jobs while maintaining the Pegula lifestyle. Now she has another one
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2 hours ago, GreggTX said:
OT, FB and any good ST guys might have a shot. Punter competition may be coming. I don't think any punters were drafted.
The best punter was drafted, Mann I think his name is. Would have loved him instead of the kicker, he averaged 50 a punt
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32 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
They consider K Tyler Bass the #14 reach of the draft.
Yeah he was the one pick I didn’t love. Huge leg but accuracy is a concern. I wanted Runyan (G) at that pick but Beane must not have liked him
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8 minutes ago, eSJayDee said:
I believe I saw inside the 50, he hit 93% of his FGs this yr. I'd think that's impressive for a college guy (they usually have room for development once they turn pro).
Granted, he has the potential. Hard to tell w/ kickers, as much of the determination is binary. We had a good kicker here a couple yrs ago & let him go.
Nope he hit around that % 2 years ago, last year he was 20 for 28 which isn’t good . Love his strong leg, but if he isn’t accurate, it won’t matter. Making 60 yarders with a one step approach means sh$t if you miss 35 yarders
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2 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:
Is there any doubt that the *patriots are going to be getting Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Jacoby Brissett, or someone similar? And drafting Fromm or any other dime-a-dozen mid/late round QB wouldn't have changed that.
I think they’re going with what they have. They have no salary cap space and seem to like whatever that guys name is
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Of course it’s ego. Remember, before Brady, Belichick was a below average coach. Granted, he had some bad teams in cleveland and NE But he’s only 51-65 when Brady wasn’t his QB, which includes a 11-5 years with Matt Cassel as the Qb
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4 minutes ago, glazeduck said:
Separation is about a lot more than just explosion, it's ankle and hip agility, it's setting up CBs, it's knowing how to run routes against man v zone, hand placement/fighting, etc. This is why most GMs don't take too much away from the combine, literally no one in the NFL has ever run a straight line in shorts, unguarded in a game.
Hodgins had a hard time creating separation against a lot of middling-to-bad DBs in the P12. He's going to have his work cut out for him against NFL CBs.
Fair enough though 86 catches 1179 yards, 13 yds is impressive, P13 or not.
When discussing him, Beane said hodgins studies Diggs for his route running and he was the best of any wr he saw in college in 2019 at selling the double move.
granted , he lasted until late in the 6th so he’s going to be flawed
1 minute ago, Lurker said:While a RB is a lot more than the sum of their measureables, guess who the mystery player (former Bill) is versus Moss...
Mystery Player Zach Moss
40 Yard Dash: 4.47 seconds 4.52
20 Yard Split: 2.59 seconds 2.63
10 Yard Split: 1.61 seconds 1.60
Bench Press: 13 reps (225 lb) 19 repsVertical Leap: 33.0 inches 33.0
Broad Jump: 114.0 inches N/A
20 Yd Shuttle: 4.21 seconds 4.37
Height: 69.9 inches 70.0
Weight: 198 pounds 222
Hand Size: 8.75 inches 9.25
BMI: 29.18 32.62
Mccoy? Lynch? Henry?
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1 minute ago, glazeduck said:
You're making a lot of incorrect assumptions here...
I've seen Moss play in person 3x, I'm basing my opinion on him on a lot more than just his 40 time.
I gave the K a "pass" (as in pass/no pass), how else would you recommend I grade a Kicker taken in the 6th rd?
Feel like I said a lot of the same things you said about Hodgins. Great hands are great, but if you can't get open in the NFL, you're not going to get thrown to. Hodgins is going to have trouble separating in the NFL, but he's big and has good hands, cool.
I've seen Fromm play several times as well. Not sure how you can just assume I don't know anything about him because I didn't write anything about him. I didn't write anything about him because I don't feel like there's much to say. Weak armed QBs don't succeed ANYWHERE in the NFL, let alone a place where the wind blows like Buffalo. That's going to be an issue.
But apparently you felt like everyone of our picks were going to make the HOF...
why would we assume Hodgins with have problems separating in the NFL. His 20 td split time (which equates to quickness from a standing position) was best of any WR at the combine. Please elaborate?
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13 minutes ago, familykwi said:
The one thing that I find curious is the organization's stated need to acquire touchdown makers, yet the characteristic that all of these picks share is average to below athleticism. I'm all for have a tough and smart team, but if we are going to become a more potent offense, or a defense that makes bigger plays, we need guys that stress the opponent.
It's not that I don't like the values we found, but I am a little concerned.
Just putting it out there.
Don’t agree on the two WRs. They may have less than ideal 40 speed but both of above average athletes and one has elite hands
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1 minute ago, buffalover4life said:
This is a clue to who I think Beane mentioned he tried to move up "3-4 picks" and make a trade "With a NFC team" but while on the phone. "our guy" got drafted.
I looked over the draft for players Beane would be interested and the 5th round stood out to me. as it was the first like truly surprising pick
Instead of "taking BPA on the board, Jake fromm"
I think its possible they were on the phone with the bears, 4 picks ahead of them... the player selected right before them by the Redskins was this safety linebacker type Khaleke Hudson out of Michigan. Undersized LB but 30 Reps of 225...4.56-40 yard dash.. 10' broad jump. great tackler with good instincts. I really think this was "our guy"
30! 30 reps of 225, 4.56 40 yard dash. like what a bowling ball
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/khaleke-hudson?id=32194855-4444-8091-9618-834bc38fda6c
Nope - Beane said today that the guy they targeted was an olineman. It was Either in the 4th round to move up for stenberg trading with Dallas, moving up in the 5th with Washington trading up for Harris or moving up in the 6th trading with Carolina moving up for Muti or onwenu. My guess is they tried trade their 6th and 7th to Carolina to trade up for Muti as they had several meetings/calls with Muti.
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6 minutes ago, njbuff said:
Difference is in 2018 this team sucked overall, so there was a much better chance for an UDFA to make the roster.
That is 100% true and with limited to no training camp it looks make it even harder to make an impression. I still bet one of the UDFA makes it . The tackle or maybe the FB??
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5 minutes ago, KzooMike said:
I for one love the Moss pick and don't find athleticism issues I think some derive from his 40 time. 40's and RB's are for the college game. Even elite RB speed gets marginalized in today's game. How are they within 10-15 yards? With Singletary I knew the answer because I watched a lot of him at FAU. I know the answer with Moss as well. Very explosive, generates incredible torque with his hips and legs. Very athletic. Powerful, powerful dude. I can't imagine having to chase around Singletary's tiny, slippery A$$, never getting to square up and then next in comes another seemingly tiny, oh sheeet...that hurt.
I do not like the Frohm pick at all. That was a process pick all the way but we will see.
I'm happy with the outcome as a whole. We nailed what was technically our 1st 3 picks from where I sit and the rest at that point are always 50/50.
Good post, who knows about Fromme but One thing to remember is Belichick drafted QBs almost every year when he had Brady, and often higher than 5th round picks. Barkley not the answer as a backup and maybe Fromme can be. If not, need to find someone
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2 hours ago, njbuff said:
None of these UDFA's are going to make the final cut.
But it's good to talk about them like they will. ?
Glad Wallace and numerous other UDFA didnt think this way.
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1 minute ago, NewEra said:
I read your
post. Now I’m responding.
?moss will be a beast. Don’t worry. You state “But I'm a big proponent of there being minimum thresholds of athleticism that one needs to perform at their relative position, and have seen some who feel that Moss doesn't meet those minimums”.
In other words, you have no idea wth you’re talking about. You saw in a scouting report someone say that he’s slow.....after hurting his hamstring and still running faster than Singletary.
Hodgins is a 6th rd pick. Considering he’s a 6th rd pick, I think he has considerable upside for where he was picked. Josh allen rifles the ball. Many WRs have problems catching his passes from what I’ve seen. Hodgins might have the best hands in the draft. He’s tall. He is a great red zone target, especially vs certain matchups. Again.....he’s a 6th rd pick.
jackson is likely a nickel back for us. And he’s a solid tackles. Taron johnson is the only corner considered and “inside corner”. Taron johnson is always banged up. Jackson is a perfect candidate for the PS and to bring up if Jonson gets hurt. This is FAR from a terrible pick......and it’s the 7th round!! You really know nothing about him, but give him a D+......
......and you give the kicker, ranked by most as the best kicker in the draft, an incomplete, because you know nothing about him.....EXCEPT THAT HE’S THE NUMBER ONE KICKER IN THE DRAFT. Wow.
Fromm- you don’t like him. Not sure what you don’t like about him, because you didn’t say anything about him. Because you don’t know anything about him. You read he has a weak arm. Cool.
Doesn’t seem like you know much about any of these guys tbh
The kicker wasn’t great last year though, 20-28 on fgs. He does have a ridiculous leg though. If you haven’t seen his no step 50 yard field goal or 1 step 60 yarder, google it
jackson is an outside corner, has never played the inside nickel corner role. Beane said as much today
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1 hour ago, FireChans said:
McD cares a lot about ST though. He’s shown that with his rosters through the years.
I see Diggs, Brown, Beasley, Davis, Hodgins, McK and Roberts as the room if they can keep 7.
I think this is correct except Diggs can replace what mck does. I think injury to one of these guys is the only way Duke of Foster makes this team
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11 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:
Not bad, OP...I must admit, I’m not as high on this draft class as some others seem to be...no doubt part of that likely has to do with not having a first round pick...but, just on the surface I think we did just ok...I really wanted Eason and an OT prospect...but I also understand you can only take what the board gives you...B-
Eason looks like a bit of a meat head to me and remember he left Georgia when he lost his job to Fromme. I don’t expect him to amount to much.
yeah I hear you on the oline - just never seemed to have ones with good grades when we ended up picking. Maybe the UFA we signed will amount to something. I’m higher overall on our oline than most. In think a second year with continuity and a 2nd year for Ford will help a lot.
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3 minutes ago, glazeduck said:
Firstly, appreciate you being what would appear to be the first to have read my post before responding.
I definitely see the potential in Moss and again, LOVE the way he runs. I guess I just question how dynamic a backfield can be with 2 guys with avg. to below-avg. speed, hopefully all of our smurfs will stretch the defense enough to open some holes.
Similar with Hodgins, I'm optimistic, but I just fear he's too limited and stiff to ever really be more than a role player.
On Jackson, again, you can't really waste a 7th round pick, so he's worth a shot, I'm just not going to be holding my breath for him to succeed, I don't look at it as likely (although I DO like our track record of developing DBs)
Fromm -- I don't see it, hope you're right.
Moss isnt a breakaway threat but he is faster than Singletary. He had a hamstring issue at the combine so his 4.62 time should be discounted. 4.52 at his pro day is decent. Not great but decent.
Fromm, if anything, will be a good classroom guy with Josh. Georgia coaches said they regularly had to throw him out of the building late at night (studying film).
i studied the draft more than usual with time on my hands, plus with no 1st I wanted to know more about the later round guys. When we were on the clock I actually predicted 3 of the first 4 picks correctly- Espenesa and moss were no brainers and I took a flyer on Fromme and got lucky. In the 4th I guessed Golden-Gandy so at least go the position correct. Was thrilled with the Hoskins pick as I thought he was a late 3rd/early 4th talent but had no clue they’d draft a 2nd wr.
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I trust Beane. Some random thoughts:
0 fumbles for Moss last year and best broken tackle % of any back since 2014. Works for me.
your D+ rated 7th rd pick Was the 8th rated CB in the draft and his coach said he was the best CB he has ever had. I’ll take that in the 7th
Hoskins had the best 20 yd split time at the combine and the lowest drop % of any wr in college last year. Works for meFromme - who knows and the lack of a normal training camp will hurt him but he will make the roster and probably take over as backup for Barkley as backup next year. That’s good use of a 5th
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2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:I think one of these two rookies makes the main roster and the other the PS. Still like to see Duke make it but I don't see Easley, McCloud, McKenzie or Foster surviving. Roberts is safe as the FT returner. As far as the draft goes, Diggs was the DRAFT. He was the prize and everyone else just gravy.
I could see McKenzie making it but not Duke. The two draft picks give us the size Duke has, equal speed but with much better hands. I don’t think Roberts is 100% safe either. The other thing to consider is injuries can occur
What is the one spot on the roster that still has a hole?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Punter and kicker then depth at LB