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    DHopkins would cost a 2nd round pick...would you do it?

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    As stated before, it's a no brainer:

     

    Trade 27 and a 5th for 34, a 7th and DHOP with ARI retaining $10m.  DHOP restructures with Buffalo to even further reduce the cap hit.

     

    ARI's new GM can say he did well cuz he moved up for another 1st.

     

    We get DHOP, our choice of MLB at 34 and BPA at 59 (thinking OLINE, TE or DT), BPA at 91 (TE or DL or OL) and BPA at 130 (what's remaining between TE, OL and DL).

     

    Slam dunk, off-season won

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    DHopkins would cost a 2nd round pick...would you do it?

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    1 hour ago, Rubes said:

     

    'Cause I wanted to do a poll to see where people stand on the issue of a 2nd rounder for DHop. Sorry if that offends you, but I don't think burying a poll in the middle of a 216-page thread will really give us a sense of where most people stand.

     

    If you'd prefer yet another thread on someone we should or should not draft, maybe I can better serve you next time.

     

    Yep and if another DHOP thread damages a person’s life beyond repair, don’t read the fkng text. Why are people so fkng sensitive to one more thread on a message board? Grow up

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    DHopkins would cost a 2nd round pick...would you do it?

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    2 hours ago, bigK14094 said:

    Not sure Diggs and Hopkins can coexist.  Diggs is our #1, we don't need another.  Hopkins isn't a #2, he is a lead dog.   I would not make this trade myself, even if the Bills had the cap space.  (if you are not the lead dog, the view is the always the same they say)

    They can coexist - they’re close friends and want to win firsr

    DHopkins would cost a 2nd round pick...would you do it?

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    1 hour ago, Rubes said:

     

    Just trying to see what the balance of opinions are, champ.

     

    Agreed - nobody is forcing you to read another DHOP thread. If you’re offended, don’t go on the thread

    40 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

    why in GODS NAME!!!! did we need another topic on this? 

    210 pages+ is NOT enough for you to figure this out?

     

    boards are going to hell in a hand basket. 

    Then don’t participate on this one

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    DHopkins would cost a 2nd round pick...would you do it?

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    I voted yes, because it's a given that DHOP's cap hit would be greatly reduced for Buffalo, otherwise the trade would be impossible anyway (couldn't fit him under the cap).

     

    2 scenario's I could see:

    1. Bills trade pick #59 for DHOP - ARI retains salary and DHOP restructures to make contract cap friendly.  Bills then trades #27 for a low to mid 2nd rounder along with a 3rd or 4th.  In the 2nd they draft their future starting MLB

     

    2. Bills trade pick #27, and pick #130 (our 4th) for DHOP,  #34 and pick #180 (6th). ARI retains salary and DHOP restructures to make contract cap friendly. Bills pick our future starting MLB at #34 or a stud TE (maybe even after another trade down into the middle 2nd) and the best available player at #59 (TE/MLB, DT or OL)

    6 minutes ago, khlax3 said:

    I would do a second for Hopkins in a heartbeat. Take the TE  Washington in the first 

     

    Allen

    Diggs, Hopkins, Davis, Shakir, Harty, Sherfield

    Knox and washington

    cook, Harris, Hines 

     

    that would likely be the best offense in the league

    Love this as that TE is ridiculous and should be available, but no MLB picked in the 1st 2 rounds keeps us pretty vulnerable there.  Of course, with the offense you propose Defense wouldn't matter as much and we could always sign one post 6/1 cuts

    DraftKings Sportsbook has set the Buffalo Bills’ win total for the 2023 NFL season 10.5 wins

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    8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

    They see what’s going on, even if some fans want to ignore it.

     

    - Miami has gotten a lot better this off-season. Fangio alone was a huge get. Add in Ramsey, who even if overrated is better than what they had, and Long who a good downhill thumping LB, and it’s gotten harder to beat them.

     

    - The Jets beat us with that 18 year old they have at QB. Their defense is incredible. Not fake incredible like Mcd/Frazier’s. But actually incredible. They add Rodgers and things get real sticky. Rodgers would could put up only 20ppg and they would still likely make the playoffs. 

    Both have concerns as any team does:

    MIA does Tua stay healthy?

    NYJ can their D replicate, A lot of new parts - do they mesh, when will Rodgers fall off a cliff?

    Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

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    17 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

    Actually Davis is an average if not above average #2. Not many teams have a complimentary receiver like the Bengals and Dolphins. 
     

    With that said would I love to add Nuk and get in that conversation with the Bengals and Dolphins? Yes, very much yes. 

    I think someone earlier in the thread posted he was rated #100 WR which is a low #3.

    Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

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    4 minutes ago, cba fan said:

    yeah they are like the O'Brian Texans West lol

    a media guy had an article that restructured DHop with some void years could get his cap hit down for Bills to 4.5 or 4.7 this year. That would be amazing.

    Yep - I was being conservative with my +7m cap hit projection for DHOP as I don't know much salary the cardinals will be willing to retain (if any) and I'm not sure how much future cap implications Beane's willing to take on.  To get to 4.5 this year Beane would have to add to voidable years to the end of DHOPs restructure contract will high cap ramifications.

     

    I think the Bills would love DHOP and DHOP would love the Bills but there are significant obstacles in a trade scenario:

    1. Draft picks - Will the Cardinal's ask become reasonable and will a current Bills player be added as a sweetener?

    2. Are other teams interested in DHOP?

    3. Can Beane make the cap work and is he willing to?

    4. Will Pegula be willing to open his wallet again for a DHOP and probably another player restructure?  Every restructure where salary turns into a signing bonus, Pegula has to pay the whole lump sum bonus upfront. 

     

    A lot of obstacles which indicates to me it probably won't happen.  The important thing here though is it seems Beane is not satisfied with the status quo at  WR? Diggs is a legitimate #1 but Davis is not a legit #2, he's an average to above average #3.  There are options for that #2 besided DHOP - Jeudy (probably too pricey), other WRs available in a trade that we haven't heard about and pick #27

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    Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

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    16 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

    Is he even available is the real question 

    Absolutely he's available.  Problem is, as I see it, is the Cardinal's GM is new and doesn't want to be perceived as "fleeced" in his first deal.  

     

    I say sign Calais Campbell and an offer of Oliver and a 4th or 5th for DHOP will get it done. Then sign Bobby Wagner and offseason, other than draft, is real ands spectacular

     

    Salary Cap implications:

    Oliver - 10m

    Campbell - +4m

    Wagner +7m

    DHOP with salary retention and resturcture +7m

     

    Net gain to cap of +8M and we're under cap by about $11m right now, I think?  That leaves enough to sign draft picks, though Beane will probably restructure someone.  I say add a year to Hyde's deal (to align him with Poyer's contract) and he could free up about $4m there

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    Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

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    12 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

    Sounds like Arizona doesn’t want to eat any of his salary, so the hold up might be a restructure agreement?  In this case, I couldn’t see Buffalo parting with more than a couple late round picks.

    If ARI doesn't want to hold onto any of his salary, I doubt there's going to be a deal done with anybody.  Nobody is taking on $19m salary for this year

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    Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

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    11 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

    Really? Be a better human. I started the Gofund me, not Darryl. If you would have been sitting with me when he broke down and cried and told me that the outpouring from fans truly saved his life because he was intent on killing himself maybe you’d have a bit more empathy. 
     

    I’ll tell you this though, if you ever find yourself in such dire straights I’ll be the first one to reach into my pocket to help.

    That's awesome Chevy - thank you!!  Some people choose a life of compassion and giving, like you; others choose one of hating, like the person who posted that dribble.

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    Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

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    6 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

    Didn't Hopkins get traded same off-season as Diggs, 2020..

    What a difference.  DHop was definitely considered a better WR than Diggs at the time. Even though both were considered elite but just shows how the culture we built is different than many franchises

    Yep and as good as Diggs is, an argument can easily be made that DHOP is still as good, maybe better than Diggs.  Josh>>>>>Murray and the other castoffs. Injuries and suspensions nonwithstanding 

    Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

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    31 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

    I find it interesting that there hasn't been a refute report. Often times when something gains some traction in the media that gets fans hyped up, we'll see one of our beat reporters say that the team has confirmed to them nothing is happening. I've been kind of waiting for that report to drop. But it hasn't.

    Excellent point - I was thinking the same thing and hoping…..

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