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41 minutes ago, MJS said:
Actually, you aren't promoting forgiveness, you are calling people out and accusing them of not forgiving him. There's a big difference. You are standing on a soap box.
And it has nothing to do with dogs. It has everything to do with inhuman torture of dogs. It would be just as bad if he were torturing and killing mice or any other animal.
A few things:
- you come across as sincere, so that’s appreciated. some of the others, not so much.
- you’re consistent with your views on animals - that’s also appreciated.
- no soap box here, but something about the way I’m communicating is clearly not resonating. But I care about our country a lot and to see the rampant hate and anger in so many corners is very concerning to me. This not normal, I travel a lot, lived in many other countries, and have never witnessed so much intense anger and hate - on so many levels. -
2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:
Spot on. Brutally executing dogs in a dogfighting ring is a common mistake that far too many young people make.
Very unfortunately, dog fighting is extremely popular here in Hawaii. I often see (A few times daily) the dogs PACKED in cages in the back of pickup trucks here, going down the highway, with no cover from the overwhelming heat. I’ve reported it, but no one cares.
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18 minutes ago, MJS said:
I haven't lived perfectly, but I certainly have not tortured animals. That's why I'm not casting stones. But I can and will be critical of his deplorable, criminal behavior.
Certainly sounds like you are being pretty judgemental about people and their opinions. Perhaps you need to take your own advice.
Not being judgmental, I was either clarifying my position or just responding to others. Who would have known that by promoting forgiveness, understanding, and personal growth, I would receive such incredible backlash….it’s just amazing and rather telling of the mental illness permeating in our country ….. absolutely fascinating.
After some additional thought on my part, I wonder if the overwhelming sentiment on this board would have been different if this was not about dogs, but rather cats? Mice? Cows? Pigs? I suspect the responses would have been different. Google / Check out what happens at the pig slaughter houses. If one is consistent with their views about protecting animals (Pigs, dogs, etc.) then they would find it all equally abhorrent. This might just all be about a fanaticism for dogs and nothing else? Interesting. Am I right ? Anyway, I’m quite satisfied to know my favorite team (Bills management and players) are doing things with Mike Vick exactly the way I would. My viewpoints here are in total alignment with my Bills!-
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7 minutes ago, Simon said:
I don't give a flying fig at a rolling doughnut whether you agree or not.
I care that you're repeatedly annoying a bunch of good people by taking over this thread and driving it into a field of foolishness, which is pretty much the definition of crusading.
Simon, I insist you're reading me all wrong, (I'm a soft hearted person - maybe too much - and that's because of my experiences, not to annoy). Its my fault for not being more clear in my messaging. Will do all I can to be better, write more clearly or not contribute.
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Big news! I changed my mind - can you believe it. Yes, we should obliterate Mike Vick, we (except me) are sinless. All of you educated me today, happy now?
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1 minute ago, Blackbeard said:
More diversion.
More facts....see page 1 of this thread, the invite, the hugs, the welcome = facts.
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Just now, Blackbeard said:
More diversion.
Hey, I've got the whole Buffalo Bills organization, (A lot of hard working, intelligent / brilliant people there) in alignment with my point of view on Mike Vick's visit....and that's a good thing.
Just now, Simon said:This senseless crusade is so far beyond ridiculous that I am on the verge of asking you to remove yourself from this thread.
No crusade here, I'm just responding to the statements made. If you want compulsory agreement with your points of view - fine.
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1 minute ago, Simon said:
I'm not talking about the team.
I'm talking about the ridiculous parallels you're trying to draw in your ongoing crusade against common sense.
I am talking about the team, (That's how this whole thread started - see page 1). Simon, you must be one of the many "sinless" around here and that's why your challenged to understand me - and vice versa.
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6 minutes ago, Simon said:
There's no hypocrisy; it's just another nonsense comparison you're throwing out. Again.
Nobody here as drowned, electrocuted or lynched any animals for fun. You're trying to compare recreational torture and murder to shoplifting, getting drunk, cheating, lying, etc.
Just stop......
"Nobody here as drowned, electrocuted or lynched any animals for fun" or worse ... not that you know of...
Just now, BillsNutHawaii said:"Nobody here as drowned, electrocuted or lynched any animals for fun" or worse ... not that you know of...
Again, if Im so lost, explain why the team and I are in agreement and your viewpoint differs.....
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I'm still wondering, if I'm so off-base here with my take on Mike Vick's visit to the Bills, (Summary - I think it could be a good thing), then why did the Bills / Coach McD invite him? Why was the team welcoming him with open arms (See the hugs in the photos)? Seems like I'm with the team (Bills) on this one, and the rest of the board is on the other side of the fence. Interesting. I might not be so stupid after all.
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7 minutes ago, BigDingus said:
What about people atheists or people who simply aren't Christians?
You don't need religion to tell you people can change & learn from expereinces (both good & bad). Similarly, people can accept he's changed & still not like or forgive him if they wish. What he did was pretty messed up, so it's understandable that his reputation may be forever unsalvagable to some.
I hate what he did, but I also accept that he likely understands how disgusting what he did was... If I met him today, I would judge him based on who he is now. Would I be saying that if he killed someone? Probably not. But that goes back to the part where I said some people may never accept or forgive regardless of anything else.
9 minutes ago, BigDingus said:What about people atheists or people who simply aren't Christians?
You don't need religion to tell you people can change & learn from expereinces (both good & bad). Similarly, people can accept he's changed & still not like or forgive him if they wish. What he did was pretty messed up, so it's understandable that his reputation may be forever unsalvagable to some.
I hate what he did, but I also accept that he likely understands how disgusting what he did was... If I met him today, I would judge him based on who he is now. Would I be saying that if he killed someone? Probably not. But that goes back to the part where I said some people may never accept or forgive regardless of anything else.
I'm targeting the hypocrisy. Calling Mike Vick evil when every single person here knows dam well they have "screwed-up" really bad. If you haven't, then your either just a child (Not enough time to have yet made mistakes), a Saint - doubtful, or just a liar and not admitting it. Hypocrisy - That's the point of the "Stone Throwing" story and not trying to sell religion, forgiveness, to forget what occurred, etc.
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12 minutes ago, MJS said:
This is stupid. He tortured and killed dogs and went to jail for it.
People can dislike him if they want. That does not mean they are casting stones. Jesus was not telling everyone to excuse the woman's actions. In fact, he did not excuse them either. He literally told her to stop sinning. He just didn't want her stoned to death because of them.
Similarly, none of us are calling for Michael Vick to be dragged out into the streets and stoned to death. But we sure do not need to excuse or forget his horrible misdeeds. His actions will follow him forever.
Again, tell us how perfect you have lived. Every time I ask, its "crickets."
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3 minutes ago, Augie said:
I come from a family full of teachers and school administrators. I can’t blame the schools - some of these kids stand no chance due to their family lives. It’s not the schools that ruin them.
Augie, I have a lot of respect for you - for several reasons to include the wisdom you always post around here. The schools portion of my original post has been skewed by others, I originally stated something to the effect, "would we get so upset when.....our schools fail us?" in an effort to compare and contrast. No matter what you do around here, no matter what you post, Im not going to get into a debate with you. I'll shut it down on my end before I have an "aggressive " debate with you.
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If I'm so ill informed, so pathetic, so confused, (As clearly the majority of the contributors to this thread think so), then why did Coach Sean McDermott (By all accounts a brilliant guy) feel its a good idea to bring in Mike Vick to talk with the team? I'm sticking with our coach on this one, and that's good company to be in.
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3 minutes ago, Simon said:
That comparison is......I have no constructive words......
When our schools and families are "underperforming" you produce what Mike Vick did. Is that more clear?
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6 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:
You’re right. I am angry and hatred towards Vick.
sorry if you aren’t. But trying to turn the spotlight on another because you actually HAVE no argument or justification is weak.
I hope you find the peace that I and so many other "sinners" have found. Take care and best!
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1 minute ago, nucci said:
I may have sinned, though probably not as I don't believe in religion but I definitely didn't torture and kill dogs
I confess, I've probably done worse. And going forward, always trying to be better, do better, set the example and contribute.
Just now, Blackbeard said:This has ZERO to do with me.
but nice diversion.
You made the "crap" assessment, not me, you're making the diversion.
You did teach me something though, I didn't realize my post could spark so much hatred and anger - from you. All while I'm trying to promote a peaceful reflection. Very interesting.
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1 minute ago, Augie said:
I don’t think there is much hope now, but could we all try to focus and exercise some restraint. There is some tolerable middle ground to be found. Nobody hates what he did more than I do, but it has run its course. It’s over. Let’s PLEASE move on???
Augie, we never move on, don't you realize we are always chasing the record setting "Mario Williams to Buffalo" thread?
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1 minute ago, Blackbeard said:
Just stop with the biblical crap and excuses.
The Bible didn’t and couldn’t comprehend severe animal abuse.
Imo you’re actually doing a disservice to the Faith.
Crap? So, tell us what moral compass are you using thats so great? Tell us how perfect and sinless you are... teach us.
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3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:
That’s fine, I don’t condone his past actions via the dog fighting/killing thing, we all do what we can throughout our lives, I just hope he has got his sh-t together going forward. We need to support each other versus be aggressive toward each other, otherwise we have a real sh-ty world to live in, like the signs all around Annapolis Maryland say, “Be Kind” , 👍
Thanks for the great response, I couldn't agree more. In Hawaii we have, "Drive with Aloha."
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9 hours ago, muppy said:
SMH this man tests my Christian faith. I am mandated to forgive but what he was convicted of reeks of evil to me. I forgive but I cannot forget.
Spoken like a pittie advocate and rescuer. Which is true. so I am Very biased here.
so he can just go away I care zilch nada about him any more. I'll just leave it at that.
John 8:7
King James Version
"...He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone...."
A few things here:
- In this "thread" I'm reading and seeing a lot of vitriol against Mike Vick. Based on the Biblical quote I just copied and pasted, I'm left to assume we have a lot of perfect / sinless contributors here at TBD. I don't think so.
- Are those of you with a continuing and everlasting grievance with Mike Vick just as disgusted when your local schools are underperforming? Just as infuriated with human / child sex trafficking? Just as angry when one of our US service members almost literally sacrificed in a foreign land for no good reason? Or just "virtue signaling" at every opportunity given with an unhealthy, fanatical desire to attack others.
I say, the courts have done their jobs, Mike Vick served his sentence, he's still relatively young and has a lot left to offer. He's got a lot to be embarrassed about and he could easily hide behind his money and go away. Instead, he continually seeks self improvement, works to contribute in constructive ways, all while surely knowing the hypocrites are out to get him. For that, I admire him! I repeat, "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone."
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John 8:7
King James Version
"...He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone...."
A few things here:
- In this "thread" I'm reading and seeing a lot of vitriol against Mike Vick. Based on the Biblical quote I just copied and pasted, I'm left to assume we have a lot of perfect / sinless contributors here at TBD. I don't think so.
- Are those of you with a continuing and everlasting grievance with Mike Vick just as disgusted when your local schools are underperforming? Just as infuriated with human / child sex trafficking? Just as angry when one of our US service members almost literally sacrificed in a foreign land for no good reason? Or just "virtue signaling" at every opportunity given with an unhealthy, fanatical desire to attack others.
I say, the courts have done their jobs, Mike Vick served his sentence, he's still relatively young and has a lot left to offer. He's got a lot to be embarrassed about and he could easily hide behind his money and go away. Instead, he continually seeks self improvement, works to contribute in constructive ways, all while surely knowing the hypocrites are out to get him. For that, I admire him! I repeat, "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone."
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A few thoughts:
- SF has an excellent player development program, ala the "best version of yourself" program the Bills have. If SF couldn't squeeze more out of him, I would be very suspicious. This is not the AZ Cardinals program - see Andy Isabella - who I have high hopes for and seems to have been in less than an ideal situation with the team that drafted him.
- I definitely see the temptation for trying to identify how Buffalo can acquire Trey Lance - with ideal compensation (Trade package + contract, re-worked with extension?). There might be a way and it should be explored.
- The talent is still there, (Lance isn't underperforming due to injuries he hasn't been able to recover from). So is it lack of work ethic? Or lack of intellect, (Does he not have the "brains" to command an offense in the NFL)? This is where our GM needs his sources from "Deep within" to find out what the real deal is here.
- Personally, I'm a big believer in "cultural fit" similar to what our GM did to identify Josh Allen as a great fit for Buffalo. I just knew Sam Darnold wouldn't work with the NY Jets, and he seems to be much better off in SF. Perhaps the same thing could be said about Trey Lance. From a quick wikipedia read, it says Trey is from a small town in Minnesota and of course college in North Dakota - from the outside looking in, he seems like a small town type of guy, from a region maybe even colder than Western NY - would he be a better fit in Buffalo - vice SF? Thoughts?
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I always like learning about other people and their story. Thanks for sharing, its much appreciated!
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Mike Vick at Bills practice and the nfl script release
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I’ve been in Hawaii 29 years now. That’s certainly doesn’t mean I know everything about the place, but I think I have a good pulse on the culture. With that in mind, I’m not aware of any adversarial connection between the locals and animals/dogs. The first Europeans here in the islands have an excellent reputation, bringing missionaries who shared medical knowledge and alphabetizing the local language. Much of the Hawaiian language is pronounced like the German language. You’re spot on about the carry over of violence through the generations. Thanks for sharing all your insight to this point, it’s much appreciated!