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2 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:
Bolded is nonsense Scott. The sample size is too small to draw any conclusions. Beane wasn't here in 2017, but even if I give you 2017 its still 4 defense 2 offense and all the picks made total sense (i.e. it wasn't "prirotizing defense").
2017 White was apparently BPA or very close to it and in hindsight its either him or TJ Watt (i.e. no offensive player).
2018 was Allen and Edmunds.
2019 was Oliver and there was no realistic offensive option (I don't count Metcalf, guy went in 60s).
2020 Diggs.
2021 Rousseau, clearly among BPsA and I don't think there were realistic offensive options. ANd there were strong rumours that Bills wanted RB (both were drafted ahead of us).
You can't make any conclusions from 6 picks, even if you do 4/2 is not "always" and to me its pretty obvious that there is no pattern.
And I am also pretty sure that we will draft a lot of offense high this year (I really think they want 1st round WR, but we don't know how the board falls).
Williams is looking like a nice option if we are able to snag him. Him, Diggs, and Davis would be very hard to handle (especially when throwing Knox into the equation).
I’m very curious to see what we do at cb before the draft. They have to sign someone, even if it’s just a depth signing. A BPA approach at 25 has the chance of landing us a very good player regardless of position.
Whatever we do, I just want to see a pick who contributes to us winning the Super Bowl this season 😉 however that contribution is.
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11 hours ago, Vickveto said:
Unless we’re getting Williams or burk at 25 why would we let him pass us?
There are a number of reasons. We could go cb, or another position. Or we could even take another wr. Who knows who the Bills value the most.
I’m not saying I’m against Watson. I’d love a wr like him added to our team. I’m just pointing out it’s not like we have a couple options.
With the Digg’s new contract, I could see the Bills valuing a wr who has major slot potential. I know Williams does, but does Watson also have slot potential?
The draft can’t come soon enough. I can’t wait to see who is added to our team.
34 minutes ago, NewEra said:Our first picks under Beane. Allen, Oliver, Diggs, Rousseau.
you wouldn’t happen to be exaggerating would you? Nooooooo, not you!?!?
To be fair, he said first round, so you have to add Edmonds too 😆 Either way, Beane values talent and not necessarily defense or offense.
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4 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:
I could see them picking up a solid but unspectacular vet MLB and then drafting someone athletic with upside in 2nd or 3rd...so they have a guy they can trust but also a guy they can hope will be great. However, not sure how much they get for Edmonds since he is on his 5th year option. He's expensive and only a one year rental. It's the same problem that Browns have with Baker. Even if some GMs think he is much better than last year showed, it's just too costly to rent him. I wonder what Edmonds and agent are looking for? If we could sign him as a middle of the road level linebacker, which I think is fair, not only would it be more affordable for us but would make him more tradeable....but he and agent may see him as a pro bowl linebacker and thus want top money which wouldn't be worth it.
I would have liked Bobby Wagner as the vet fill in. Too bad.
It’s going to be interesting to see what happens with Edmonds. If he gets resigned, even at a reasonable deal, this place will be wild 🤣 Personally, I want to see more from our mlb, but I understand it’s not a given either.
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18 minutes ago, SCBills said:
I just don't see him as a make or break piece...
IMO, he likely has a Top 100 pick return. If I'm Beane, I'm 100% shopping him for a 2nd or 3rd Rounder and then using our 2nd Round Pick on his replacement, while freeing up cap space for a 1 year rental corner.
This team is now top heavy... Allen-Diggs-Miller-White, with guys like Knox likely, Milano, Dawkins, Oliver likely in the next tier of sizeable contracts. It seems foolish to let a guy like Edmunds walk for nothing at the position of LB.. He's not a LT, WR, CB, EDGE... He's a LB... with all the talent we have on defense, I'm fine with a rookie/high pick MLB.
I completely understand your rationale, and if the Bills have a target in mind who could replace him with little to no drop off, I’m sure they make the move for the reasons you stated. It’s just, I find it highly unlikely this staff is going to feel that comfortable about a rookie. Especially when don’t have anyone decent enough on the roster as it is.
We never know about Beane, and I can imagine it would irritate him to let Edmonds walk away for nothing. Like most things, there will be several factors in making a decision like this. Whatever Beane does, it better keep us strong for a super bowl push this year.
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On 4/5/2022 at 3:38 AM, machine gun kelly said:
Whaley just made it on NFLR as a regular I think yesterday or at least a fill in for the regulars. He was on the opening drive with Solomon Wilcots.
As far as his previous GM experience, he did too much patchwork, vs. having a methodical plan like Beane.
I don’t dislike the guy, but rather he is a pro personnel scouting kind of guy.
Maybe the second time around he improves on his mistakes. Carroll improved the second go around from the Jets to eventually the Hawks. You could say the same about BB from Cleveland to NE. I know these are coaching examples, but you get the point.
He seems like a much better fit than the other two.
Your example of Whaley taking a patchwork type of approach is a good one. That seems to be one of his biggest mistakes team building wise.
Beane’s approach was greatly aided by us making the playoffs year 1 (even though he didn’t draft that year). Imagine if we didn’t make the playoffs that first year, while “tanking”. Going into year 3 (year 2 for Josh) and Beane’s seat would have been getting warm. I’m glad everything worked out the way I did though. -
4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Each to their own but I find them all inane.
I find certain clips, like the Bills playoffs hype videos cool. But otherwise, I find much more meaningful football discussion in places like this forum. I find GMFB for the most part, parrots all of the media (NFL media coverage) talking points. Nothing very illuminating coming from that show for me personally.
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1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:
This probably means that one of Hyde/Poyer and one of Edmunds/Milano are gone after this year. Knox can have part of Edmunds’s money (I think he’s the one to leave), and Davis (who is getting a big contract) can have the rest of the savings. (Oliver need to get paid, too, but I think offense gets the money for now.) I wouldn’t be surprised to see Edmunds moved at the draft.
We are all in on a super bowl this year. Unless the Bills can bring in someone equal to or better than Edmonds, he isn’t being moved before this season.
Who replaces Edmonds? For sure he could be better, but he also plays a vital role to our defense.
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2 hours ago, Desert Bills Fan said:
New York Upstate has the scenario where we trade this years 1st and 3rd plus next years 1st and 5th, to move way up and get DB Sauce Gardner!
That is a lot , and I don’t watch much college ball, but the pundits think he is great. I think this would be a good deal to go along with the moves already made, all in for this year (and the next couple). We definitely need cornerback help, and not many draft picks will make an impact on this team, but seems the sauce could.
what do you think? Too much for a DB position?
This draft doesn’t have very much elite talent, so it doesn’t make sense to move up to get a top tier prospect who wouldn’t even be top tier most drafts.
Cheap starters are going to play a pivotal role moving forward, so trading 1st round draft picks should be as a last resort type of thing. We should have good options at corner at pick 25 and the difference between what our options are at 25 vs what it costs to move up, isn’t enough to make it worth it. Most mocks have Kyler Gordon available at 25, and I’d love him as the pick.
I’d be very shocked if we move up in the first. If we do, I’d be even more shocked if the move up was more than a handful of spots.
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11 hours ago, JerseyBills said:
His name is Marquez Stevenson. With the Crowder acquisition, re signing McKenzie and Davis being as good as I believe he is, I think we're good at WR. Also the beauty of having a Stefon Diggs is he'll bring great intensity and leadership to the WR room and bring out the best from the younger guys.
Stevenson was 1st team all ACC in 18 and 19 and has freakish speed. He seemed to gain confidence in the coaching staff with his late season return duties.
Davis takes Sanders role. Crowder takes Beasleys role. McKenzie can play in or out and Stevenson can be what McKenzie was last year.
I could totally see a Diggs , McKenzie and Stevenson 3 WR set. I think he could at least be a Hardman type of WR WR because his pure speed is super elite and will always gain attention for his deep threat ability.
I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a WR in rd 5 or later but we quietly built a really good WR room even with 2 veteran losses. Hodgins is also sitting there as a total wildcard. He might not cut it in the NFL but he's only going on year 3
What yall think?
His college tape is insane!
I had high hopes for him last season and it would be great for him to take a step forward. But honestly, at this point we can’t value him any more than Hodgins, both of them haven’t done anything in the NFL. This years camp will be huge for Stevenson, he’ll be fighting to make the team though.
Who knows where the Bills draft a wr this season, but with our offense it feels like we should probably snag at least 1 wr every draft and keep a nice healthy pipeline in place. WR’s are being paid crazy money and Josh is going to make a lot of guys some money, so we need guys waiting in the wings.
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1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:
Again, this is also why I woudn't be shocked if Diggs is moved.
He's been great for this team but looking strictly at the production on paper, the Vikings landed the better, younger, and most importantly cheaper player with the pick we sent them for Diggs.
You don’t bank on replacing Diggs with a rookie and getting even close to Diggs level production year 1. Anything less than Diggs level production is greatly hurting our chances at a SuperBowl. This is no time to be playing the long game, if so, it was pointless to pick up Von who’s contract will keep us from signing some of our own in the next year or two (meaning, more holes that have to be filled).
2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:You’re probably right but Chiefs traded pick 27 plus a 3rd rounder and their 1st following year to move up to 10 for Mahomes. I’d think the price would be a little lighter for a QB-weak draft.
For us in a Super Bowl window, I would be ok trading future draft picks, I’d be much happier with that than trading a starter, to just make a hole.
6 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:Trading up gets us a good rookie on a rookie contract. And it sheds the cap cost of whatever vet we trade away.
Theoretically sounds good. But entirely depends on the vet(s) we lose and the rookie we gain. Until those answers are available, I have no opinion.
What your saying is very true, but is also very counterproductive to winning a Super Bowl this season. I’m fine with a long term approach, but I’m not fine with that approach after signing Von. It would signal the front office is a little scattered (maybe owner meddling because of the stadium deal?).
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1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:
Won't be a popular opinion, but personally I would move Diggs before Knox. There's no way there is going to be room to keep him long term with given the current WR market that is only going to keep climbing higher.
And no matter what people think and read into his social media, Diggs is not taking a 'hometown' discount for this team. He knows he's worth big time money and guarantee those demands have already been made by him and his agent to Beane the minute the Adams and Hill deals and contracts were done.
Why would we trade Diggs in a year we are making a super bowl push? That would greatly hurt our chances, and who knows how Gabe would do with number 1 wr attention.
I see it as highly unlikely we make a move up in the first round, unless it’s just a handful of spots. I also, don’t see us making a hole, to fill the same hole or another. I could see moves like this IF we didn’t sign Von Miller and we were taking a more long term approach. But the Von signing signals we are making a push in the next season or two.
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28 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:
Giants clearly want to come out of this draft with an extra 1st next year. Nobody seems in love with the QB’s in this draft so it’s probably not happening that way for Giants. Maybe Bills trade pick 25, next years 1st and Poyer for pick 7. Bills take Hamilton and have their QB of the defense for next 10 years.
I don’t think that would be nearly enough to trade up to the either of the Giants picks. We’d have to throw more picks into the trade package. As nice as Hamilton would be, we’d still have a hole at corner, and most likely the trade up suggest would cost us our second and more, which means less chance to fill the hole at corner.
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26 minutes ago, Logic said:
Yeah I have to say that the idea of moving up for a CB makes sense to me.
We know that
1. Beane has a history of moving up for players he covets. He has done so in the past and spoken about this approach many times.
2. The Bills roster will be tough for eight rookies to make, as you mentioned, meaning that a trade-up or two is likely.
3. The Bills seem to have adopted an aggressive "win now" mentality, as evidenced by Von Miller move and spending to the cap.4. Corner is a high value position, one in which the Bills are currently highly deficient and where they could really use a cost controlled five-year deal.
All of these facts combine to make me think that if Beane really liked a corner -- or any position really, but especially corner -- he would move up without hesitation.
Several people have said this in this thread, and several times the reply has been the same: BEANE runs a tight ship, but if he's reached out to several teams to gage their interest in trading, it's definitely possible that one of those teams were the ones to do the leaking.
Teams also INTENTIONALLY leak things at this time of years for various strategic reasons, whether it be subterfuge and misdirection or the solicitation of offers from other teams.What assets does Beane use to trade up for a corner in the first? Unless he uses picks only, he would be making a hole. The only vets worthy of trading up in the first are starters, which means making a hole, to fill a hole. I don’t see Beane doing anything like that. For instance, if we trade Edmonds, who fills Edmonds spot?
I think it’s more likely we trade up into round 2 or later, but not the first round. I just don’t see how we can pick up Von and not be all in on a Super Bowl push. You don’t make holes (even to fill another whole) when making a run for a super bowl. No rookie is guaranteed, but a starter (even ones who can do better) are a known commodity, and those starters are part of a team that should have made it to the AFC championship minimum last season.
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1 hour ago, Logic said:
The two key questions here:
Who would the Bills be moving up for?
What veterans have trade value?
The logical answers to the first question would seem to be a corner or WR. Maybe they really like Derek Stingley or Jameson Williams.
The only answers I could come up with to the second question are Tremaine Edmunds and Zack Moss.
Interesting report. I can’t see them moving up TOO high, as it would cost a ton to get from 25th into the top 10. Maybe they just want to get inside the top 20 to ensure they get one of these WRs or CBS before the talent level drops off.
I just can’t see us making a hole that has to be filled in a year when we are making a super bowl push. For instance, trading Edmonds for a lber makes sense in the long term, but not for our chances this season, especially if we trade picks too, because it’s then less chances to fill depth.
I would prefer trading future assets vs making a hole that is filled by a rookie. The Bills must have their eyes on a player or a couple who might not be there at 25 and we may have to move up a bit and this is Beane doing his due diligence prior to the draft (kind of like how we had a tentative deal with the Broncos in 2018 draft).
Lastly, I just can’t fathom trading a starter for someone like Williams. We’d get no immediate ROI while also making a hole. That would not help us make a super bowl push this year.
48 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:It doesn’t say 1st round, I doubt that’s what he’s referring to here. And you can’t get far in the 1st anyway without giving up picks. For vet players it sounds like a day 2 package.
This is an excellent point. It doesn’t say first round, and it seems like day 2 (second and third round) are where teams can get some good value too. I really would like 4 picks in the first 3 rounds.
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22 minutes ago, Motor26 said:
Dohtson wouldn’t be a huge contributor from day 1, he’d be the 4th wide receiver. Not the way a corner would contribute day 1, or even a stud OT/OG or a stud DT like Wyatt or Davis if they drop to the Bills. If you say the Bills are primed for a Super Bowl run shouldn’t they aim for an immediate contributor?That’s exactly what I’m thinking. Most likely corner, but could be the positions you list or even rb like Hall. It’s going to come down to someone the Bills feel will make an impact day 1.
I was just being generous when I said special teams minimum, because you just never know with rookies and there has to be a floor expectation for a first round pick.
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2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:
We could also take Jahan Dotson who's healthy and can play in the slot and return punts as a rookie and maybe develop as an eventual Crowder replacement in 2023and Diggs replacement in 2024.
Agree. I feel like with where we sit currently, whoever our first round pick is, they need to be someone who can come in and contribute day 1, even if that’s on special teams and depth at offense or defense. We are primed for a super bowl run and we need all hands on deck.
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2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
Practice? You talking about practice?
Lets talk about abilitiesBills’ Gabriel Davis amongst best second-year WRs vs. man coverage
Competition might be good, but Davis has proved he can be relied, and in big moments.
His playoff effort against the Kansas City Chiefs, a record four touchdown catches, proved that–PFF’s statistic only further solidifies it.
I for sure think he proved he can be the number two to Diggs. It seemed like the Bills gave him that opportunity down the stretch and into the playoffs and he did it.
Gabe has a huge season coming up. He has a big opportunity to make a name and earn that big payday, even if it ends up being a slight hometown discount 😉
2 hours ago, AllenDaBomb said:First time poster here! Anyone think Gabe Davis has hidden superstar potential? His footwork to stay in bounds is a thing of beauty!
I cross my fingers that he does. He has Allen throwing to him, so he will have all the opportunity in the world. You are absolutely right about his sideline footwork. Can’t believe his level of awareness as a rookie, empirically in the Colts game. But he has always showed good sideline footwork.
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47 minutes ago, TH3 said:
Yaaa...US had slavery 50 years, Constitutional slavery for 100 years...and another 100 years of legal, legislated racism...that was till active in my lifetime and is 80 percent of the timeline of our countries history.
I tend to think white dudes have zero concept on what it is to be a minority in this county.
The whole race issue has gone too far currently. I’m married to a non white woman (I’m white), and she is also from a different country. Her and I talk all the time of about the “soft” racism she experiences all the time. When I say soft racism, I mean people being overly nice or going out of there way to make comments about her skin, hair, clothes, whatever. It’s cool that people are nice, but at the same time, it’s so awkward and feels so forced. The funny thing is, it wasn’t this until the last handful of years and we live in a VERY liberal area. When we visit family in non liberal areas, she is treated just like a normal person, no special treatment, but also no aggressive racist treatment either.
The current culture surrounding racism is such that now people are swinging in the opposite direction and being overly nice to those who are non white. That also isn’t right. People are people, and that’s how we as society need to see others. People should be treated based on they are as a person, not race. Also, why does there have to be labels like, “African Americans”, “Chinese Americans”, “latin Americans”, we are all Americans. These labels only further division.
In an effort to solve racism, we are creating more racism. That’s not the answer.
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On 3/29/2022 at 5:16 AM, njbuff said:
So, the NFL is telling minorities they are too stupid to get these jobs on their own merit?
Ok
This is what I don’t like about practices like this. I want to get job or be rewarded for my actions, but getting a job based on my race would have me wondering, “did I really earn this”? In a way, it feels like this is cheating people out of a sense of accomplishment.
I work in the construction industry, construction safety specifically. The projects with the best safety rates, are the ones with the best safety culture, everyone is bought in. But that culture is created over night, it takes time and by in by leadership.
I see diverse hiring practices in a similar vein. The culture surrounding the hiring of minority candidates needs to be fostered to where those hiring are truly picking the person who is the most qualified, regardless of race/sex.
In this case, the NFL has bad PR surrounding this issue and they are forcing a quick solution in order to change their image, with little thought towards the future.
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9 minutes ago, TampaBillsJunkie said:
No. I was born a fan. It was embedded into my blood. Before I even realized who I was, I was in my cradle wearing Bills outfits. When I was old enough to get carted to games, I sat on a beer cooler in the Rockpile handing out beers and sandwiches to my dad, grandpa and uncles.
I went to the first game at Rich Stadium, I saw OJ running from defenders, not the law. I saw the best and worst of Bills football for 50+ years. And I'll never change my allegiance.
This is how my daughter is. She was brought home from the hospital in a Bills outfit. She was born late August and she was in my arms watching Josh Allens first pro game. My daughter is not only a Bills fan, but a HUGE Josh Allen fan. Her and I watch every Bills game together, and we celebrate like crazy when good things happen, but especially good Josh Allen plays. She always wants him to get td’s 🤣
How lucky is she to grow up in the Josh Allen era?
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I grew up in Alaska, and because the 90’s Bills were so good, there gear was sold in the stores. I picked a Bills backpack going into kindergarten thinking it was a moose, only for my mom to tell me it was a Buffalo. When I got home, my dad explained that it was a football team. After that, I started watching football with my dad on Sundays, but I was most interested in seeing Bills games and they were on often enough.
After getting the backpack, it didn’t matter how good the team was, I was hooked. I became an obsessed football fan from a very young age.
As an example of how Bills crazy I was. When they weren’t good anymore, they were not on the tv anymore (rarely). So I was on NFL.com every weekend watching the play by play on the old school game cast. Internet was so bad, I had to constantly refresh the page to see what was happening. That’s how I watched the majority of my Bills games in my youth. Then sport center for the highlights on Monday morning.-
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11 hours ago, billybrew1 said:
Other teams getting great QBs is just complete BS. For 20+ years we have waited for a QB and now that we finally have one, everybody else is finding one. There used to be two, three QBs in the league, Now that we have one, it’s just BS that’s all!
Total BS!
Lol! Well atleast we very well could have the best of the bunch 😉
48 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:I’ll approach the debate a bit differently. Since the Bills already have a top QB under contract, is it really that hard to teach the OL to run block? The statistical difference between a great and below average running game is something less than 3 feet per attempt. I said the same thing last offseason…can we not work even a little bit on opening a crack or two so we can pick up that extra three feet on a somewhat regular basis. I mean after all….why not?
Well the hiring of Kromer is hopefully the signal that this is what McDermott is thinking too.
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Just now, IronMaidenBills said:
Yes I like Hall. But I just want play makers, don’t really care who. If we trade up and get Sauce Gardner, I’d be happy to. Just get us a difference maker.
I’m so curious to see what we do at cb. This will be very telling for us long term how the Bills value cb (or Tre is making a remarkable recovery). I kinda want to see us get 3 picks in the first two rounds, which most likely with 2 second round picks. So either a trade up, or a trade down (then still moving around a bit to get “our” guys).
There’s a good chance we can get a good cb at 25 and then move up and get Hall. That would be a great scenario for us.
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4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:
This team is going to be so great this year, it will be talked about with a lot of the other great teams in history. Our defense was already top in pressures, and we added Miller who by himself adds nearly half of our teams stats. Plus we bring back White on top of all that. Not even including the draft. This team is absolutely going to MAUL teams and it’s going to be a thing of beauty. I would not be surprised if this team sets the offensive ppg NFL record and the defensive fewest points allowed record at the same time.
Your a Breece Hall in the first guy right? I’ve been warming up to that possibility myself. Either way, I just want our team to come out of the draft with atleast 1 playmaker and a couple solid starters/depth pieces. If the playmaker is a cb, wr, rb, whatever, I just want someone who will make an impact year 1 and help push us over the top.
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Pounding the table for Christian Watson at 25
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Good point. His biggest moves in the first were Josh and Diggs.