[Pick Your Poison: What's Left at Outside WR in Free Agency]

MVS, as another poster said is the type of receiver we could use to add due to his size and speed and years of some moderate production. 

 

Problem is that his hands are simply not good, and I don't think this coaching staff wants to deal with yet another downfield threat dropping passes.

 

Therefore, I wouldn't add anyone from that list

[Pick Your Poison: What's Left at Outside WR in Free Agency]

28 minutes ago, mrags said:

You seem to have an obsession over my mental state. This isn’t the first time you’ve made comments like this. You should Be concerned for yourself with how much your obsessing over me. 
 

have a nice day Freud. 

Just tired of having to see unhinged post after unhinged post constantly mocking a rookie that seems like a hard working and intelligent kid 

 

Do better

[Xavier Worthy injured during 1st practice as a Chief]

The history of blazing fast wideouts that are not built to withstand the rigors and demand of pro football is not good

 

He'll be a threat when he's able to be on the field, but I don't forsee him being healthy much

[Pick Your Poison: What's Left at Outside WR in Free Agency]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

Oh my lord. How will I ever live with myself 

Based on how obsessed you are over him and his forty time, I'm pretty concerned with your mental state

 

A comment a day or two after the draft...OK. Every day since on multiple occasions? That's a problem, my guy 

[Pick Your Poison: What's Left at Outside WR in Free Agency]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

What’s funny is I read all that faster than Coleman ran his 40 at the combine 

When are you going to stop with the tears over this poor kids 40 time?

 

It's bordering on being very unhealthy for you at this point, and I don't wanna see you meltdown when he shows you how little his 40 time matters

[Is it true the Bills didn’t “do enough” at WR to compete for championships?]

13 minutes ago, eball said:

This board really does crack me up.  The Bills’ projected top 4 WR of Coleman, Shakir, Samuel, and Hollins (I love the people sleeping on him) is as good as we’ve had here in some time.  NOBODY with a brain thinks the 8 guys they have brought in to compete for spots #5 and 6 are making a difference in any way besides special teams.  Add a blue chipper in Kincaid, along with Cook, Knox, and Ray Davis, and there is absolutely NO reason to think this team doesn’t have an offense capable of scoring almost at will.

 

The Bills’ top 5 projected “pass catchers” going into this season easily rival any of the teams I mentioned, save SF.

 

Some of you just love to complain.

 

I get the skepticism and doubt, and I think it's completely reasonable and justified if you feel that way

 

But, to me...I already saw what a Stefon Diggs could do for us and it was fading down the stretch and washed in the playoffs. Davis was a drop machine that couldn't get on the same page as Allen and led to bad misses/turnovers. It was time to move on from those guys.

 

They have chosen to not go the alpha WR route this season, and they instead got a more capable unit of guys that could contribute beyond the first and sometimes second or third option and are now deeper with capable wideouts that can be relied upon to do their part.

 

I wanna see Josh play within an offense where he's not feeling pressure to find certain players or take shots to a guy who he isn't in synch with. This may help him grow even more, and if after this season they see a glaring need for a top wideout they will aquire one given the draft capital and cap space we will have.

 

If Coleman hits, then we may not have much of a need...but that has yet to be seen.

[Is it true the Bills didn’t “do enough” at WR to compete for championships?]

I do think that we have improved the depth of our receiving group, and we are stronger everywhere besides at the top.

 

This group is more capable and should be more reliable with catching the football overall than last seasons group...particularly the second half of last seasons group where Diggs really wasn't much of a factor.

 

How much the loss of a top end boundary receiver will affect the group and Josh as a whole is an unknown, and likely depends on what Coleman can bring to the table. 

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Yes, I don't know how anyone can watch this man play football and think he will be successful in the NFL.  The dude just runs what looks like half speed out there.  His routes are a joke.  They are not crisp, they are not sudden, they are not twitchy, they are not precise, and to top it all off, he looks to be in slow motion.  I personally think his hands are grossly overrated.  Go watch the 22 min video on youtube of him, there are countless balls that are in his hands that he doesn't come down with.  I don't know why those aren't counted as drops.

 

The guy will not win on the outside in the NFL.  Sauce Gardner will literally laugh at Coleman trying to get opened.  He will be walking out there and able to be in his hip pocket.  You think Coleman is going up over Gardner to get a ball?!

 

This is the type of talent that you will find in the later rounds or even undrafted.

 

This is just baffling to me scouts watched this man play and came away with the impression he will be a good WR.  

Tell me you don't know football without telling me you don't know football

[This Will Be The Make Or Break Year For This Regime]

4 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

I think the Bills are one player away from being strong championship contenders. That player is B. Aiyuk imo. If the Chiefs or Philly thought that they were one player away and the guy was out there I think they would aggressively pursue him. 
The Bills need a proven veteran WR. Where are they going to get him? It won't be in the draft. So it's got to be a FA. Why wait until next year.

Do it now if you can make it work after Tre's number comes off.. It would be very expensive both contractually and in next year's draft pick(s) but it won't be cheaper next year.

Of course maybe the Bills don't feel that they are one player away given the number of changes on both sides of the ball. That would perhaps explain why they would rather look to give new players time to settle into the system and their roles in it. But even then a guy like Aiyuk would be better in 2025 having already played a year in the O. 
Maybe SF is really not interested in moving Aiyuk, regardless of the offer. They may want another year with him as their WR draft picks settle in. If he is available though I wouldn't be surprised if Beane made a move for him. I think Beane's got it in him to do that.

SF is trying to win a SB. Aiyuk was only going to be traded if they could've drafted his replacement. Maybe Pearsall can be that guy, but I doubt SF is moving him before they see if the rook can fill his role.

 

I don't think this braintrust wants to put all their eggs in the trade for a WR and pay him top dollar basket again. I think they will look to get a top rookie next draft if they can pull it off...which they should since they have two second rounders to go along with their first in 2025.

[Beane literally added a promising draft prospect at every level on both sides of the ball]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

I only buy the "drafting late makes it hard to find difference makers" argument to an extent, particularly when Brandon Beane moves around the draft board as much as he does.

The Eagles, for instance, always seem to be picking pretty late in the draft, but I would rank their roster as considerably better than Buffalo's, and their drafts as usually superior.

As for the middle sentence that I bolded: That's exactly my point. That's what Beane does. His drafts typically get us players that "add to the team's quality of depth and gives us a few starters hopefully".  What he has NOT done nearly often enough the past few years, is get anything BEYOND that. Anybody who is among the elite at their position or gets All-Pro votes.

Beane is consistently good at getting consistently good players. My contention is that he has not gotten any GREAT ones in the past five years, and we need one or two of those on our roster to have a hope of ever getting past the Chiefs on a consistent basis.
 
 

The Eagles had arguably the worst defense in the league last season, so they have a major weakness which this team does not have. We are top ten on each side of the ball, so while you may think their roster is considerably better, the results last year say otherwise. They also traded for AJ Brown who is arguably their best player...he wasn't drafted by them. Jalen Hurts was a hit, but I think he had a bit of a fluke year when they went to the superbowl. The jury is still out on whether he is worth the contract he got. Their linebackers and secondary are abysmal, and they have taken low character/off field issue players when they fell to them. That is high risk, high reward.

 

If you wanna crucify Beane for not hitting on elite talent, then best of luck to you finding the GM that hits on them while maintaining a roster that you can manage cap wise, personality wise, and keep well rounded like this one...cause he has done just about everything else you could ask for. He brought in Diggs which payed dividends for his tenure here, and Miller looked to be that difference maker on defense until the injury, so he recognized the need and addressed it with proven commodities...luck just wasn't with us.

 

I wouldn't trade our roster for the Eagles whatsoever. There was internal issues there last season, and AJ Brown is another Diva that brings as much drama as he does receiving talent. Allen is clearly superior to Hurts, and I'll take our good Oline and defense vs their great Oline and poor defense

 

 

 

 

[Beane literally added a promising draft prospect at every level on both sides of the ball]

15 minutes ago, Logic said:

Promising of what, exactly?

If it's promise of making the roster and getting playing time and contributing on some level, then I agree.

If it's promise of becoming an elite player, I don't see much of that in this class.

I very much hope to be proven wrong, but Keon Coleman looks to me like his ceiling is as a high end WR2. Maybe Cole Bishop becomes a playmaking safety. Maybe Soloman is a steal at Edge and becomes a sack master.

But when I look at Ray Davis, DeWayne Carter, a center, a couple project tackles, a special teams linebacker, and an undersized punt returner, I see what look like fine-to-good, sort of replacement level players. I see more of what Beane has done in the past: solid drafts that produce rosterable players, but no difference makers. He arguably hasn't found a difference maker in the draft since Josh Allen. Lots of good, steady, NFL caliber players. Few stars.

The norm for drafts under Brandon Beane (ever since the Allen/Edmunds draft) has become "solid to good, but never great". No home runs. No All-Pros. No REAL difference makers. Right now, this draft just looks like the latest chapter in that book.

Difference makers don't grow on trees, and when your draft position is near the bottom of each round it only decreases your odds of finding those players.

 

He made the right decision this offseason to retool the roster and do what he does which is to get us players that add to the teams quality of depth and give us a few starters hopefully.

 

The difference maker/makers will hopefully come via free agency next season or we use draft capital to either draft a top player or trade for one.

[Beane literally added a promising draft prospect at every level on both sides of the ball]

12 minutes ago, WacArnolds said:

Sure, but the dark side of the reality is you're wasting a year of Josh's prime. Always good to look glass half full and there are longer term reasons for optimism, but let's not bury the lead.

I agree that we are kinda/sorta punting on this season...which is a prime Josh Allen year, but I don't think there's another scenario where this team could've went all out this year without drastically jeopardizing this team's chances for the next few beyond this upcoming...which would be even more detrimental to our chances to win in Josh Allen's prime.

 

I think we failed to capitalize on the first chapter of the Josh Allen Bills superbowl window, and the best case scenario is to only have one season to reset things and get back to being a true contender.

 

What Beane has done by dealing Diggs, releasing those older, costlier vets, and now what he's done in the draft should set us up nicely for a quick reload...which you don't see typically when you have a roster such as the one we had.

[Beane literally added a promising draft prospect at every level on both sides of the ball]

2 minutes ago, McBean said:

Did we just become best friends?

I don't dive right into relationships, but let's see what happens from this point forward

[Beane literally added a promising draft prospect at every level on both sides of the ball]

1 hour ago, McBean said:

I'm no homer...trust me on that. I have been saying McDermott is not the answer for years.

 

I simply believe that Beane did a fantastic job in this draft by getting a player pretty much everywhere to help all positions.

 

 

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

9 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

No matter how much Diggs stats decreased, he still had to be a focus of the defense.   That is now gone. 

This is true, but my counter to this, and what I think the Bills plan is, is to have an offense where you don't know who the focus should be on...which will keep defenses honest and in more standard/predictable alignments. It also allows Josh to operate more within the scheme of the offense instead of locking onto or feeling the need to keep a certain Diva WR happy. 

 

I for one want to see Josh run this offense where he just operates without any worries about not getting someone involved. 

[Beane literally added a promising draft prospect at every level on both sides of the ball]

Just now, Yobogoya! said:

Not for nothing, but just about every draft pick in history was “promising” at one point in time, lol. Can’t say this lot is any more or less so in that regard, but I’ll give you that he definitely spread the love to multiple positions of need. 
 

See but that’s kinda the song that remains the same isn’t it? 

It would've not only cost us this years draft, but also next years to go and get one of the big three at WR

 

The correct play was to then shift to reloading the roster and use the cap space and even better draft capital next season to go and get that big time player that can be a game changer. 

 

Anyone who thinks we should have sold the farm for one of the top three would be groaning when the team has no young talent or depth once they falter yet again in the playoffs. We had a top WR and it didn't get us anything but playoff disappointment. You need a complete team with depth along with some playmakers to truly contend. 

 

I think the plan is to retool this season, and then go all in in 2025 again with a big time addition on offense and defense. With a hopefully strong draft class this season, we will be in a prime spot to challenge again with another superbowl window wide open.

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

9 hours ago, NoSaint said:

then why doesn’t he get separation, alpha? 

He has tape where he's beaten guys

 

He ran a slant and go where the got the DB to bite and then got past him, and he has other plays where DB's held or grabbed him cause he had them beat. He threatens the defense at all levels, so corners will be susceptible to plays where he get's DB's to bite, and if they try to jam him or press him, he will win at the line and get open.

 

Alot of posters are going to eat crow on this kid. He's a baller that has tremendous skills and a strong basketball background that helps him have outstanding body control, shiftiness, and the ability to box out and win jump balls/contested catches.

 

 

[Beane literally added a promising draft prospect at every level on both sides of the ball]

I think Beane is not getting enough props for adding a piece to every single group on both sides of the ball. This is an infusion of youth everywhere on the roster.

 

We are now a younger team that has good depth pretty much everywhere.

 

We may need a gamechanger or two, but now at least you reloaded the roster with promising young players, and next season we will have cap space and even better draft capital to make a power move or two should we have a glaring need.

 

I like the approach, and we'll see how good McDermott and his staff really are given the makeup of the roster

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

The more I watch of Keon Coleman, especially his Michigan State tape, the more I see Tee Higgins. 

I think Coleman has more wiggle and can be more effective in short areas like screens and slants, but I do see some similarities 

[Would the Chiefs had ended up with Worthy without the trade with the Bills?]

It's just a bad look to do business with KC, that's all it really is

 

If you had to bet who outsmarted who, most people would bet on KC

 

My guess is worthy will produce the occasional big play when he can actually get on the field...which may not be often if you are going off of history regarding small speedsters in the league

 

In that case, the Bills would appear to have outsmarted KC, but I suppose we'll see how it pans out

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

2 hours ago, DJB said:

There’s a reason Coleman didn’t do any of the agility drills and Kupp faired well in them 

 

 

Yet he was returning punts and shows plenty of agility on film. The guy was a highly regarded basketball player.

 

 

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

44 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Compare Keon Coleman to Tee Higgins and feel better. Higgins had a slightly faster 40 (4.59 to 4.61) but Coleman had a superior 10 yard split (1.54 vs 1.66).

 

Colemans 1.54 10 yard split was actually in the 68th percentile among all the WRs in the draft. 
 

We have multiple burners on this roster, but we have lacked the big, physical WR with some athletic ability for years. 

The reason Higgins lasted till he did was his 40 time, and the same is true with Coleman.

 

He has exceeded his draft status, and if you did a redraft he would be a first rounder.

 

The same thing could be the case with our guy here

 

 

[Speed: I do the math here]

17 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

I see a lot of numbers trying to justify him being slow. It is what it is. He's slow. Hopefully he can make it up elsewhere (jump balls, catch radius, etc).

He's not slow, though

 

The film doesn't lie

 

They said Jerry Rice was slow, too FWIW 

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

He didn't catch almost every ball thrown to him. His catch percentage was only 57% last season. 

 

When you watch all targets, you'll notice that he has a defender draped all over him on a ton of plays knocking the ball away. 

 

 

 

If that's what you got out of that footage, then you don't know what your watching.

 

For starters...the majority of his targets were screen passes to get the ball in his hands immediately. 

 

Secondly, in numerous targets the QB would just throw the ball up for him even when he was covered by multiple defenders or he wasn't the intended target. He was often used as a bailout by the QB because he wins matchups/jump balls often.

 

Thirdly, he had guys beat multiple times and he either got past them and wasn't caught, or they held/grabbed him and he drew a penalty flag. 

 

Watching his footage tells me a few things. One is that Coleman was the focal point of their offense and teams regarded him as such. That means he is already accustomed to the role of top dog that draws attention. Next is that Jordan Travis is not impressive as a passer. He made numerous bad throws to Coleman, and he relied on Coleman to bail him out way too much. His backup did Coleman little favors as well which explains the dip in numbers after Travis went down. Third is that teams respect Colemans ability to hurt them in all phases. He can take screen passes and turn them into big plays...he runs good slants and can also turn those into big plays, and he can get deep and beat you there as well.

 

If Brady uses this guy right, and runs this offense like it's supposed to be with Josh making quick decisions and hitting whoever is open, then Coleman will be a weapon.

 

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

7 hours ago, Haplo848 said:

I'm rather amused at all the people who think Keon Coleman is slow. Dude plays at speed. He had the fastest speed of anyone during the gauntlet drill in the past 2 years at the combine, which reflects actual play speed much more than the 40 does. He was even faster than Puka Nacua last year.

 

Did anyone actually go and watch his 40? Dude's simply not a track star. He started slow because coming out of his stance, he popped up instead of bursting forward. If he had spent more time on the track with someone who knew what they were doing, and could help him with a better start out of his stance, spending time fixing an issue that in no way actually relates to football, he likely would have shaved AT LEAST 0.1 seconds off, likely more. And no one would be talking about him being slow. But they look at that number, decide he's slow, and ignore everything else, especially his play speed.

 

 

 

He LOOKS slow when he's running because his legs don't seem to be moving as fast as you're used to, but when he's trying to outrun people, his stride lengthens, and with his long legs, every one of his strides eats up distance, and he covers ground at a surprising rate.

I agree wholeheartedly, and I have zero doubt that Beane did his homework and saw this too. It also explains why he looks like he plays faster on the field. 

 

And please don't forget his basketball background, and how that will play into his game as a receiver. This kid is going to be fun to watch, and his teammates are going to love him.