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    Jordan Palmer on Josh Allen

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    9 hours ago, LB48 said:

    I Must Comment on the entire Jordan Palmer SCAM!  He's created a BRAND NAME for himself with nothing to back it up!

    He played three years in the NFL and never started a game.  He completed 11 passes for 66 total yards, no TD's and 2 interceptions.

    IF you THINK his $61 million dollar NET WORTH at age 35 came from his playing career you are very naive!

     

    He's built up a wonderful 'guru' camp that appeals to young QB's that helps them with their self-confidence.  Footwork and accuracy are normally a natural reaction and not able to be taught.  When the pressure comes you revert to your natural instincts.

     

     

     

    I think you're getting Carson and Jordan mixed up. No way Jordan has a 60 million dollar net worth.

    [Name Only Title] Milano...wow

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    1 hour ago, KOKBILLS said:

     

    I agree...I was kinda shocked when I read it...

     

    But he is a hell of a good LB...And he can cover...?

    I think it's high because it must be based on him being a FA.  The Bills have his rights for another year under a rookie contract so hopeful they can work a more favorable deal now.  He's pretty important to the D IMO.  He seems to be johnny on the spot with fumble recoveries too.

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    Does Josh live in Buffalo or WNY in the offseason?

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    6 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:


    Wow. I bet it’s an awesome house though for 750 in the Buff. 
     

    Here in Rockville MD thats a very average sized fixer upper but the taxes are under 10k. 

    You wanna here the craziest thing? He bought it in 2006 and didn’t tell his wife. She got pissed bc she’s likes their current house. So she made him remodel their current house and refused to move into his big, new home. Its been almost 15 years and he’s never stayed a single night in the new house. Never showered in it, nothing. If i

    wasn’t related to him, I’d never believe it. Most bizarre thing ever.

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    Does Josh live in Buffalo or WNY in the offseason?

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    1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

     

    Why would you doubt that?  Allen has said in several interviews that he bought a house in B’lo.

    Other players have talked about hanging at “Josh’s house” regularly to watch Monday nite football and play group games

     

     

    Because financially it's probably smarter for him to rent a place before making a big commitment. WNY doesn't have the greatest real estate appreciation and has high taxes.

    Would you give our 2020 1st rd pick to the Lions for Kenny Golliday?

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    8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

    Hunh. What a surprise that you only argue the one I said I'm not interested in arguing. Again, if you want want to argue whether they have to do anything, go argue with someone who gives a *****.

     

    And how funny that your whole big dumb argument about how there was no way they would ever re-sign Edmunds, the part I argued, has now disappeared. Replaced by a line or two about the fact that Edmunds isn't yet on Kuechly's level, which I wouldn't argue. He's not, yet. But Edmunds is a very very good player, particularly for his second year, and he is absolutely crucial to their plans for this defense, just as Kuechly was then. They could very easily decide to extend him after his third year.

     

    Typical, though, of someone losing an argument. Abandon the losing part, never mention it again, and change the grounds of what you're arguing on and distract distract distract.

     

     

    That is what I'm arguing. It's what the argument has been since the beginning.  Do the Bills have to sign Edmunds and Allen soon?  No, they do not.  End of story.  They might choose to resign Edmunds early, but it's not a 50/50 shot like you make it out to be.  It's actually a very small probability.  Care to put your money your money where your mouth is?  I doubt it. You've been wrong so many times over the years, I've lost count.  You've always stayed arrogant though, which is a testament to your consistency. 

    Would you give our 2020 1st rd pick to the Lions for Kenny Golliday?

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    13 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

     

    I see. Yeah, this totally makes sense.

     

    So McDermott was the DC and Beane the AGM for a team that gave a third year contract ... to a defensive player ... who happens to play the exact same position as Edmunds? In a McDermott defense, on a team GM'd by Beane?

     

    And because it didn't happen to a guy drafted between 2014 and 2016, a set of years you picked specifically to try to minimize the number of hits ... you STILL want to pretend it's not a very decent possibility?

     

    How funny that you didn't mention that part of my post.

     

    You got one thing right, though. Pathetic indeed.

    How are you still arguing this?  The argument is the Bills HAVE to sign Edmunds and Allen soon.  They don't.  Not even close.  They control both their rights for 3 more seasons.  They could choose to do so next offseason but it would be breaking a long running historical protocol.  No defensive player from the 2013-2016 draft, which includes a ton of All pro players, has signed a new deal after 3 years.   Those are some really bad odds for you. Again, the only reason they would do it is because it benefited the cap situation, which destroys the entire premise of the argument. So now you're reaching even more because the 1 time it has happened in the last 5 years is a team that Mcdermott and Beane were associated with.  That would mean you're comparing Luke Kuechly to Tremaine Edmunds.  Rookie defensive player of the year, DPOY in his 2nd season, and a two time 1st team all pro by his 3rd year.  Edmunds is not on Luke's level.  Edmunds just made his 1st pro bowl after an injury to Hightower.  Again, the Bills don't HAVE to do anything soon with Edmunds or Allen.  That's a fact.

    Would you give our 2020 1st rd pick to the Lions for Kenny Golliday?

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    1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

    To me that is all irrelevant. I understand what you're trying to say , I just don't see the relevance. It's not a common thing because seeing greatness in 3 years is not a common thing. But it happens and I think should happen so we sign him with a lower total cap. 

     

    Tre passes the eye test , with flying colors. Achieved 1st team ALL PRO , since day 1  it wasn't hard to see this kid is special and elite at his position. Fans LOVE him , judging by the Bills promotion of him , they love him , teammates love him, is a great locker room guy and has tremendous work ethic. We're not letting this guy touch the market, might as well save a little coin and sign him now rather than later. 

    I was referring to Edmunds, but the same principal applies to Tre. There are a ton of defensive  players that showed their greatness by year 3 that didn't get new deals till after year 4.  Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald, Von Miller, Xavier Rhodes, Anthony Barr, CJ Mosely, Clowney, Ansah, Fletcher Cox, Chandler Jones, Marcus Peters, Joey Bosa, Jalen Ramsey, and plenty of other Pro Bowlers left out.  Not saying they won't do Tre this offseason but it would be going severely against the trend.

    Would you give our 2020 1st rd pick to the Lions for Kenny Golliday?

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    5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

    Is that right? Nobody from 2014 to 2016 re-signed after their first three years? Wow, you ought to call Derek Carr and tell him he doesn't exist. Oh, wait, you wanted to try to gerrymander him out of the discussion. Gotcha. But he's one of several cases when guys have been extended after three years. Better make the same call to Carson Wentz, though. Drafted in 2016, massive extension in the offseason of his third year. And Goff, same deal. Wow, three guys. Oh, gerrymandering again. It happened to three guys but you don't want to talk about them so you set up some conditions to exclude them.

     

    Tyron Smith, drafted 2011 signed a massive eight-year extension in 2014. In July.

     

    Travis Frederick, drafted in 2013, signed a massive six-year extension in 2016, in August.

     

    Patrick Peterson, JJ Watt too. Oh, they're defense. How did you twist things to try to exclude them? Oh, yeah, only guys from 2014 to 2016 count. Hilarious!

     

    Russell Wilson. K Jake Elliott. LS Rick Lovato. Darrelle Revis.

     

    It's a real possibility it might happen to Mahomes this year, as this tweet shows: " Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt on Patrick Mahomes' contract: 'I don't want to say necessarily it has to be this offseason.' "

     

    I could look and find more but the point is made. It's happened to defensive guys, guys in the first round and later, and weirdly even guys not drafted between 2014 and 2016.

     

    Oh, wait, I had to check one more, and I was right!!!, It even happened to one middle linebacker. And you'll never ever guess who was the defensive coordinator for that guy, or who was the assistant General Manager. That's right, the year Luke Kuechly got his extension after three years, Sean McDermott was his DC and Brandon Beane was his Assistant GM!!!  Golly!

     

    And it couldn't happen here? Nonsense!!  It happens, and saying it won't is willful ignorance. It could.

     

    It's not common because only in a very limited set of circumstances would it make sense. The guy has to have proved himself very young as an outstanding player they want to keep around, there has to be a front office focused on re-signing their own talent early, it's more likely if the team has a lot of salary cap space and more likely when it's a team that doesn't want to sign premium FAs from other teams as a consistent policy. The coaching staff must be very secure, as a new regime might find the guy doesn’t fit what they want to do.

     

    The Bills fit all those criteria. The FO has said re-signing their guys and maintaining continuity is a major priority for them. Doesn't mean it will happen, but it absolutely could.

     

     

     

     

    OMG, this is really pathetic.  I went back three years because these were the most recent drafts that pertained to the topic.  I also included only defensive players because Edmunds is  defensive player.  You start throwing in offensive players, quarterbacks and guys not even drafted in the 1st round or in a draft where the 5th year option was available.  Talk about some serious reaching.  A real new low for you.  Even when you do that, it's a extremely small number of players.  Especially defensive players.  So let's look at the data:  Zero players out of 48 defensive 1st rounders drafted between 2014-2016 got new deals after three years.  In 2013, ZERO defensive players out of 17 drafted in the 1st round got new deals after 3 years.  In 2012 1 defensive player drafted in the 1st round got a new deal after 3 years.  In 2011 2 out of the 16 defensive players drafted in the 1st round got new deals after 3 years.  So to summarize: 3% of defensive 1st round players players since the 2011 draft have received extensions after 3 years.  1 defensive 1st rounders since 2012 has gotten and extension after 3 years.  That's 1 player out of 82 defensive 1st rounders or 3 in 98 if you go nap to 2011 the first year of the 5th year option.  Those are some bad looking odds/trends.  Just walk away.

    Would you give our 2020 1st rd pick to the Lions for Kenny Golliday?

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    1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

    Look, first that's only a small part of the argument. And second, if you want to force the word "soon" to mean something it doesn't, fine, go ahead, whatever. Your business. But for most people, next year is soon. I won't bother continuing that argument, it's not worth another keystroke to me. But pretending that they might not sign Edmunds as soon as March 2021 is kidding yourself. They might not. Equally, they might not, but it's absolutely something they'll consider. Same with Tre' and Dawkins and the others who they can consider as early as next month. Just because a guy is under contract for longer doesn't mean it won't be economically sensible to extend him now. They've said it's their first priority to re-sign guys and maintain continuity, and to build their core through the draft.

     

    The argument isn't "whether they have the ability to hypothetically give Golladay a new contract ..." It's whether they will, or maybe whether they would if he were available. It's whether that's the kind of move they intend to make. Look at their models and you see those teams making a move that big very infrequently, once every five years or so, roughly. Could this be the year? Maybe. I seriously doubt it with Golladay myself, even if he were available, not for the money he's likely to demand and the draft pick the Lions would likely demand.

     

     

    Now lets look at some facts since your post is completely devoid of them.  You tell me that I'm "kidding myself" if I think the Bills won't resign Edmunds as early as next March, which would be after his 3rd year in the league.  Let's look at the 2014-2016 NFL drafts for historical reference.  Those players just finished their 4th, 5th and 6th seasons in the league.  In the 1st round of those drafts a total of 48 defensive players were drafted.  Do you know how many of them had their deals redone after 3 years?  ZERO.  NOT A SINGLE ONE.  So lets put the "Edmunds might get resigned next year" theory to bed.  It's not happening.  He is not getting resigned "soon"

     

    Yes the argument is whether or not we can sign Golladay without breaking the young nucleus of the team.  That was the original argument.  I'm debating our financial ability to do so. I'm not debating Beane's methods or anything that's an opinion.  I'm debating the numbers.  I think we should grab a piece like him if he's available.  That's my opinion.  We have the financial ability to do so, that's a fact.

    Would you give our 2020 1st rd pick to the Lions for Kenny Golliday?

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    15 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

    First, whatever post you are talking about is not what I replied to.

     

    Second, "soon" has plenty of leeway. It's absolutely not a total exaggeration that they could be getting paid soon. Allen and Edmund could get paid as soon as next off-season. I very much doubt that Allen in particular will, but "soon" is a very reasonable word under the circumstances.

     

    Yeah, the Bills control Tre for another two years. That does not in any sense rule out giving him a new contract as soon as before or during this season. Depending on the details of the contract it could easily make total sense for both parties. And extending guys who are key contributors in a year when you have a lot of money makes total sense.

     

    As for going to get a final big piece or two ... well, that's fine if that's the way you would spend money. I myself am very happy that McDermott and Beane have made it very clear that it's not how they do things. They build their core through the draft and fill in with low- and medium-priced FAs and they prioritize bringing back their own guys, and they've said it so many times now I wonder how people still fight to ignore their words.

    It's not what you replied to but you replied to ScottLaw, who's reply was to that post by Elijah.  It's the inception of the argument.

     

    It's a total exaggeration that Edmunds and Allen are getting paid soon.  Guys like Joey Bosa and Aaron Donald played 4 years on their rookie deals.  To think Edmunds won't play another 2 years on his deal is a stretch.  The only reason he wouldn't is if it would somehow be beneficial to the cap if he redid his deal after 3 but that would go against your argument anyways.   Same goes for Allen.  Wentz and Goff got their deals done after 3 years but Josh hasn't shown what those guys showed in year 2 and 3.  Maybe Josh blows the lid off it next year and they want to redo his deal next offseason, but again, that's a stretch and not probable.

     

    The argument was the Bills don't have the money to hypothetically give Golladay a new contract without losing current, key players on the roster.  That is not true.  They have the ability to do Dawkins, Milano, Shaq and Poyer this offseason, Tre next and potentially Edmunds and Allen the following year.  Hats off to Beane because the Bills are in great shape to be able to do this. This team is a #1 WR away from having a contender type team.  I don't know how anyone could not want to make that move now. 

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    Would you give our 2020 1st rd pick to the Lions for Kenny Golliday?

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    3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

    Please, nobody's mentioning cap hell right now, though we really were in horrible cap shape when McDermott arrived from the Whaley administration.

     

    You don't have to be worrying about an immediate cap hell to advocate spending judiciously.

     

    And that's nonsense that the guy he was referring to was specifically pointing towards having to protect guys like Edmunds and Allen. Yeah they enter the equation but they are very very far from being the only guys that we are going to be concerned with re-signing. Where did Elijah, the guy Scott was replying to, saying anything about Edmunds and Allen, specifically. He's talking about the whole situation, and yes a big contract that will last for years will affect our ability to sign guys now and for years. We're not going to have $90M every year, or at least not unless we spend very judiciously indeed.

     

    Here's his post:

     

     

    And I greatly disagree with your effort to minimize guys we might be looking to re-sign or extend this year. It ain't just Milano and Dawkins (and no, those two wouldn't break the bank, but they also won't be cheap, particularly Dawkins). It's also guys like Tre' White, like Poyer, like Spain, Levi Wallace, Shaq Lawson, Jordan Phillips. 

     

     

    When Scott asked Elijah who he was concerned about paying he said: "Edmunds, Milano, Dawkins, Josh, Tre, Poyer, etc. are all guys that are going to need to get paid soon."  Edmund and Josh are getting paid soon?  No, they're not.  Total exaggeration.  Also, the Bills control Tre for another 2 years at minimum. The Bills can pay Dion, Milano, Shaq and give Poyer a bump this offseason and have plenty of money to sign a big FA and add smaller cumulative pieces. Again, the Bills have 1 player on the entire roster with a 10 million dollar cap hit.  Most perennially good teams have 6-7 and the Chiefs have 8.  This miser way of spending is like a guy sitting in bonds for the last 10 years.  Now is the time to go get a  final big piece or two.

    3 hours ago, nucci said:

    plus they just won a Superbowl

    Yeah but can you imagine how much better they'd be if they didn't grab Frank Clark and Tyrann Matheiu and sign them to big deals?  What were the Chiefs thinking?!?!?

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