daz28

Wow, he sounds really positive.

Wouldn't it be smart if we all got our flu shots asap? I mean it's one less case they might not have to diagnose.

I don't watch Maddow. lol I've been on political forums for a long time, and have been lurking this one for some time too.

Just my opinion, but I think I've seen plenty of massive scandals. Why would there being shame in listening to someone else's theories? Any intelligent person is going to take what they think is worth something out of any discussion. Only a dummy blindly follows, or accepts facts without evidence. Bottom line, always think for yourself.

I've never tried sexually assaulting a woman before, but if I did I can't imagine myself saying that. Maybe if a gay guy tried going after another gay guy?? I dunno, maybe you're an expert, what would you say when she refused your unwanted advances? I just listened to the Weinstein audio, and didn't hear him say "c'mon man" to her. Maybe it's just a Biden thing. You know creepy Joe and all.

I'm just trying to be comical. I do that a lot.

In a way it's creepy too. Deborah looks like she's secretly signaling that she wants me to get her safely to the Ronald McDonald house for battered and abused women. Pence looks like he's been shut off for reprogramming and a battery recharging. Then Trumps starts playing the air accordion while he is reading from a children's book. Fauci seems the most normal, and that's weird in itself.

How many people are in jail from all the investigating that's been going on the last 50 years? Then we'll move on to investigating Trumps kids when the Democrats hand pick a AG that will do their bidding. I've seen every scandal since 1980 unfold, and it really grows tiresome. By the time something is actually done about anything, I'll be so old I'll probably die of a heart attack from the sheer shock and disbelief that someone actually paid a price for once.

I'll give watching it a try. Sometimes he pisses me off too much, and I also can't stand the way he plays the air accordion for 2 hours straight. He's probably the greatest air accordion player ever, and I really mean that.

I'm sorry, but the way the law is phrased I think Don Jr did break the law, but I'm not trying to pick on just him. Sure he should get a better deal than the officials who framed him, but he still did it. Maybe he can argue entrapment, but that's up to the courts. Now, the REAL issue is none of them are likely to face any music. They protect each other, and live under the guise that it makes the country look better if we just let it slide. I'm not about that.

No I'm not I said they're both guilty, and should both have to face the music.

It makes them all guilty. Now what can we do about it? I don't think it should let Don Jr. off the hook, and I don't think the officials should get off either. Why do you phrase everything as a supposition rather than just a question?

He kinda did ask for the dirt, and the way I read the law he wouldn't have had to receive it or need any money to transfer hands. I guess the only logic is they really did never have any intention to prosecute anyways, because to me the law appears to have been broken. Probably because they didn't want the can of worms opened that far. He did take the bait, and it was nefarious.

Yes definitely about power, and I'm not trying to paint men bad. I'm trying to see it from both sides.

This is why this is such an interesting topic is that men have been getting away with this for a long time, and now women can accuse to get paid for their silence. How can we get to the truth of the matter?

I would say he's anxious to get re-started, but I wouldn't say he's demanding.

I don't care about Weinstein. I'm sure he's a scumbag and did it. What I am interested in is things like where you say he was being protected.

I'm only trying to discuss this as general accusations from the legal standpoint, and I like the idea that any accuser MUST file a police report if they are going to make an accusation public. I mean it's at least something to hold them to. Don't need the peanut gallery to chime in when they have no idea what I'm discussing. I'm just trying to discuss what safeguards that the accuser and accused can do to protect themselves from rape or a false allegation.

If it was a setup it wouldn't have to be real dirt, much like in a drug deal rip it's baking soda not real cocaine. Even in the court of opinion the fake dirt would have been better ammo, and it would have left a backup plan of an actual crime if need be down the road. I mean that's how I or any logical criminal probably would have done it.

Obviously dragging his feet.

You're just solidifying my point. What made their stories more believable than Trump, Biden, and Kavanaugh's accusers? ...or for that matter any man, anytime, anywhere?

Then why didn't she offer up the dirt(fake or not), and finish the mission? You yourself said if they got intel it may have been a problem, so why would they stop just short of what their goal was. Again, no logical explanation for that.

The thing is how easy would it be for the victims to lie about it. There were no real "witnesses" other than him and the accusers. How many accusers does Trump have? I'm just saying this is a delicate issue.

He's our new George Carlin.

Yes it's strange, but that's all it is at this point. The keyword I think your missing is implied promise. I'm not saying it's a slam dunk, but it's sticky. I also believe, but can't prove they did give intel, but it wasn't what he thought it would be. There's no logical explanation to think that she'd try to sneak in a meeting under false pretenses, and get a warm audience.