Old Coot
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23 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
Again, I don't know. Maybe you're right - maybe Davis was supposed to read the defender and cut away from him, and Josh was supposed to make the same read and throw it. And that would explain Josh's comment about guessing wrong - maybe he couldn't see the leverage (he was under pressure), so he guessed. But I'd say that even if that's what happened, it would make sense that it STILL was Davis's job to look back early and find the ball.
You make a good case for your viewpoint.
One thing we can agree on, well-coached teams don't have miscommunication issues. Execution is just as important as play-calling. I recall a comment by Beasley in response to criticism of Daboll's play-calling that it was lack of execution not play-calling.
The read route concept, if tht's what the Bills were running on that play, puts alot of stress on the WR and QB reading the same coverage. When the QB is under immediate pressure there is even more liklihood for a misread.
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10 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
I'm not saying I'm right. I don't know. But I also think you don't know. Have you bugged the wide receiver room at the Bills facility? Is Brady your brother-in-law? How do you know?
As I've said before, what Romo (who actually played pro football and has been in hundreds of meetings about how the QB and receiver play the game) said was that in that situation it's the receiver's responsibility to find the ball before he makes the cut. Now, what I assume he meant is that that's the way the Cowboys trained their receivers. Whether the Bills do the same thing, I don't know. But I don't know how you would know, either.
Fair enough. I don't know what the Bills' receivers are taught to do. I would be surprised, however, if they are taught to run toward leverage. As for Romo's comment it would be useful to know if Gabe realized it was a full-on blitz.
10 hours ago, Shaw66 said:As has been said, over and over by me and others, is that one thing is certain: It was failure of training. Either Davis failed to do what was expected, or Allen failed to do what was expected, but in either case, it's the coaches' responsibility to train the players so that they WILL do what is expected. It's different from failure of execution, like Davis dropping the ball or Allen overthrowing him. That's on the players. But when Davis cuts the wrong way or Allen throws to the wrong spot, that's because they may have been taught something, but they didn't learn it. It's the coaches' job to see that they learn it.
Well said, my man. Too often there are breakdowns attributable to training.
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On 12/6/2023 at 4:21 PM, Shaw66 said:On 12/5/2023 at 8:16 PM, NoSaint said:
there was no safety inside so gabe going post there would’ve been a breeze too
This is correct. No defender came close to making a play where the ball landed. Davis was open whichever way he broke
I beg to differ. The DB has inside leverage; that is he is taking away the receiver's inside moves. If Gabe runs a post he's shrinking his separation from the DB. Gabe's out cut was correct. The DB was not close to where the throw landed because he went with Gabe.
Correct receiver play says to cut away from the leverage which Gabe did.
The D played a full blitz which likely led to the miscue. Josh would not have had much time to locate Gabe and throw and Gabe might not have been aware that its a full blitz. If he's aware his job is to run away from the DB since it will be man coverage.
This is supported by the fact that no one on the team explicitly blamed Gabe; not Brady and not Josh. Josh said somethink like it's a 50-50 throw and he guessed wrong
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1 hour ago, damj said:
I don't know if it's just me ... but after the last 13 weeks, I'm burned out with this team. I'm a season ticket holder, and I'll be out there the next 2 weeks regardless and sporting the red, white and blue ... but I really don't care anymore.
But then again, maybe it is just me ... I don't care about much of anything any more.
I looked to the Bills to be a distraction from everything else in my life, but they're just as F'd as everything else
You should try to get out of your funk. Speak to family or friends. In an extreme case talk to a mental health pro about possible depression. many people feel "down" this time of year. Good luck, buddy.
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1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:
don’t trust anyone who dislikes strawberries, sorry! 🍓 🤷🏼♂️
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Any catch by Gabe is a "Wow: catch 😏
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No meed to fix officiating. It's already "fixed".
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45 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:
About the Texas “No Drop” Policy
Texas has passed legislation to make sure that domestic violence charges are taken very seriously. Our state’s “no drop” policy means that, even if someone in your household wants to drop domestic violence charges, they do not have the power to do so on their own.
Domestic violence charges are brought by the prosecutor—not the alleged victim of domestic violence. Under Texas law, it’s the prosecutor’s decision whether to drop charges. Even if the alleged victim later changes their mind, they do not have the authority to drop charges on their own.
Instead, the prosecutor must be persuaded to drop the assault charges. It’s not impossible to accomplish, but it requires specific legal action and strategy.
Convincing a Prosecutor to Drop Domestic Violence Charges
Your partner or household member can’t decide to drop charges on their own, so your lawyer may need to emphasize other facts of your case. Each case is different, but a lawyer may emphasize a client’s lack of any past criminal record. They may also look to the facts of the case to help convince prosecutors that the charges need to be dropped.
Why Does Texas Have a “No Drop” Policy?
Our state’s “no drop” policy is tied to psychological research about the nature of abusive relationships. Abusive relationships often follow a cycle of gradual escalation of violence until a dramatic and significant episode. That episode is often followed by a period of calm during which the abuser tries to make it up to their partner.
Prosecutors are concerned that their clients will make statements directly after a violent episode, and then take them back when things are calm again—even though there’s likely to be a gradual escalation of violence in the future.
Prosecutors are also concerned that abusive partners will pressure their victims into recanting out of fear. The state’s strict “no drop” policy is designed to protect against these situations.
I think that this is a good policy.
I question, however, whether many prosecutors would go forward with the case if the complaining witness refuses to cooperate.
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On 11/16/2023 at 6:31 AM, HoofHearted said:
Just wanted to throw this out there as an outlet for some of you guys to get answers on scheme, specific plays, coaching, etc.
What I envision this thread being is a place where you guys can come ask questions and I can help provide answers all in one place instead of a lot of answers being buried 12 pages deep in sporadic threads every week. I’ll try my best to get to everyone’s questions as quickly as I can.
What I do not want this thread to devolve into is a gossip/fire whoever/hot take of the week type of deal.
I want this to be specifically about learning more about the game so if you’ve got something else, respectfully, take it to another thread. Thanks!
Fire away!
Hoof,
I (& likely the forum) would be interested in your take on the miscommunication between Josh & Gabe. Who is at fault (if anyone)? Thanks.
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20 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:
need three feet down before it’s a fumble.
How many three-footed receivers are there in the NFL?
Seriously, I watched the play a ton of times and it's difficult to tell whether it's a fumble or an incomplete pass. Rules say if there is doubt call it incomplete.
Why do we have the two feet down plus a football move? Is the two feet down rule for sideline catches? If so, I'd have a special rule for those catches and a simple rule that if it's a catch then it's a fumble without the two feet plaus a football move complication.
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The D did put Philly in a spot where it needed a 60 yard field goal in the rain to send the game into OT
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4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
Except that is actually irrelevant. You cannot grab the inside of the jersey period, as stated in the NFL Rulebook below:
The quote says the horse collar rule does not apply to a QB in the pocket. So it's legal to horse collar the QB?
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15 hours ago, Big Turk said:
Even Gene Sterratore was openly wondering what the hell was going on...the missed horsecollar put him over the edge
Shawn Hochuli's explanation of why the horse collar wasn't called: Note: I'm only a messenger. I don't endorse the view expressed.
"We felt that the force from the front of the collar and what pulled him down was not from the back," referee Shawn Hochuli told a pool reporter after the game. "So, that’s pretty much it. We felt he was pulled down from the front of the jersey and collar."
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54 minutes ago, IronyAbounds said:
A lot of Lucy yanking the ball away from Charlie Brown in the Bills' history,
This is a perfect analogy. I'll never be able to read that particular cartoon again without thinking of the Bills.
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2 hours ago, HappyDays said:
No it wasn't just two players "making a call." Choice routes are very specifically designed in advance to go one way based on the defensive call. On an all out blitz the WR is supposed to go inside. That's why Josh threw it there as soon as he saw the blitz. Romo explained this during the game... And then the broadcast showed Diggs explaining it to a frustrated Davis on the sideline... This was a case of a player that is known for in-game focus issues losing focus, and costing his team a game winning TD as a result.
I don't necessarily disagree. That said, however, please explain how Gabe was to run his route inside when the DB has inside leverage. What gabe did was to run away from the DB he had beaten deep. If he runs inside he's moving in the general direction of the DB who then might have a play on the ball.
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30 minutes ago, kkim0904 said:
OT throw, I think it was more on Josh than Davis based on the angle and DB position
I agree. The DB has inside leverage and gabe has some but not much separation. If gabe runs inside he's running toward the DB even tho behind him.
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Just now, BillsSbSoon said:
I thought it was a clear fumble too. He turned with the ball. I’ve seen it go the other way 100 times. How it was never even reviewed is laughable but expected after the joke that was the officiating today
Yeah; yeah. nexy you'll probably say that it was a horse collar tackle. Who are you going to believe -- your eyes or the officials?
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2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:
Its a confederacy of dunces right now.
This reference is entirely too literate for this forum.
Takeyour well-reasoned literate posts elsewhere.
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1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:
And we let these trolls get under our skin.
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1 hour ago, wjag said:
found this interesting.. Joe Thomas has a pretty good breakdown of the strategies to stop it
Thanks for pointing us to Joe Thomas' analysis.
I would have thought that the DL getting lower than the OL would stop the OL's push and create a pile but then you must deal with Hurts being pushed to "body surf" on top of the pile. So you need to stop the body surfing. Having your LBs jump over the pile to get to Hurts doesn't work because they are in the air while the pushers are grounded.
Thomas' idea of knocking the pushers off Hurts is intriguing.
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Excellent analysis.
Over the past several games the RB consistently gets to the 2d level before being hit. This suggests that the OL is opening holes for the RB, something that the OL hasn't been able to do consistently in the past.
Do you have any insight as to why the OL is able to open holes? Is it scheme? OL jelling? Something else?
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The resurgence of the Bills' running attack has been an unexpected delight over the past few games.
The backs seem to be making it past the DL before they are hit. This seems to indicate that our OL is actually opening holes for the backs.
Is this correct? If so, why the inprovement in our OL? Scheme? OL jelling?
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7 hours ago, peterpan said:
Maybe if it’s 4th and 1 they’ll just give the O a first down
That would be the whole 9 yards
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Art irritates life.
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Taylor Rapp being reckless and a liability
in The Stadium Wall
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Likely wouldn't work. safety is a more cerebral position than CB. Beane is on record as saying of Elam that the light hasn't come on for him yet.