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47 minutes ago, CookieG said:
That's not much of an endorsement, considering in Lawson's best year, he had 6 sacks.
I think Sweat will be better, he looks stronger. You can see the pop he has in some of his hits on an OT. He's got a long body and has the ability to add some bulk.
But....idk, he was beating people in the Senior Bowl practices (except Dillard), but when he was going against the better OT's of the North, he didn't do much. He knifed through on a few running plays, but was pretty invisible on pass plays.
Beating up on lesser competition is one thing, but facing quality OL on a regular basis is another.
I just don't see him as a "can't miss" guy and not as a "we'd be crazy to pass on this guy".
I think he’ll be a steady player at worst... a la M Lawson or Barr. I don’t think he’s a can’t miss probowler though. If he was we’d be talking about him usurping Bosa instead of sneaking into the top 10. That said, his combine confirmed his production: 2 years of 8+ sacks and 14+ TFL’s in the SEC. He could live up to that potential if he improves his rush moves. Plus he seems to play contain first, and IDK if that’s him or coaching.
I’m not sure if Beane will gamble on the kid. He did get booted from Michigan State and had to work his way back from Juco. He seems to have taken that setback seriously and matured. I wouldn’t be disappointed with him at 9, but I’m not going to ? either. I’d probably react similar to drafting J Allen... “okay. Let’s see how it turns out”.
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24 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:
Sweat at 4.42!!! Wow!!
He’s having a Manny Lawson combine. I could see them grabbing him as a replacement for Alexander.
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1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:
Its all hypothetical at this point, but I’m not sure that we should be treating every word Beane says at the combine as gospel.
The only draft that we have seen from him so far Beane has traded UP... Allen is understandable of course, but I find it interesting that with a lot of holes and few resources to fill them, he spent a first and top of the third last year on a very young, physical freak with plenty of upside..
I personally don’t care if they pick Metcalf at 9 or not but it’s not going to surprise me if he is picked there..
It certainly seems as though Beane will gamble on physical freaks if he deems them to be “coachable”. We’ll see with Metcalf.
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3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Hollllyyyy shh*********
Metcalf just ran a 4.33!!!!!!!!!!!!
For real. Such a freak. Now to see what Deebo runs.
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29 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:
Hard to take a guy top 10 especially a TE who’s not a physical freak like Gronk.
He’s not far off. Gronk ran a 4.68. TE’s are often difficult to predict because there’s such a variation in skill set, body type, and usage.
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23 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said:
More like Shannon Sharpe as a WR.
Soooo...… Sterling Sharpe...… Neck injury included
8 hours ago, Pete said:which WRs offer the best return ability? It would be nice to have a top returner. Our special teams need much help
Deebo Samuel is probably the best for starting potential combined with return ability.
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4 hours ago, SWATeam said:
I think Sweat benefited from Simmons wreaking havoc on the inside. I don't see the elite talent with him.
You may be correct. Sweat is interesting because his combine numbers will actually serve as confirmation. He also has enough elite traits for a team to take a shot. In other words... He’s more likely to be Manny Lawson than John McCargo. The two things that Sweat actually impressed me with are 1) he has already developed inside and outside rush moves and counters, and 2) he does a good job of identifying screens and containing the edge. That’s the fun part of all this though. We have no clue how scouts actually have these guys graded. Heck, they might view these Clemson Dlinemen like the 2005 Wolfpack line.
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3 minutes ago, DCOrange said:
These wingspans lol
If Sweat puts up good combine numbers at 260 pounds he might sneak into the top 10. I seriously thought the kid was around 245-250. That extra weight makes him viable in 4-3 schemes.
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He’s been injured too often the past couple years. At this point of his career I think a full season would be unlikely. Awesome in his prime though. He used to drive Suh crazy; really fun to watch those two match up.
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10 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:
No body rises or falls at the combine, excluding injuries or unknown pre-existing medical conditions.
What is happening is the media spends enough time around GMs and scouts that they are starting to get a feel about what they think about these guys, and thus have a more accurate image of where they may go in the draft.
It’s a rarity. The combine is primarily about confirmation of all the tape scouts and GMs have watched, and Interviews conducted. However, stock can definitely rise and fall. Big risers are generally small school players that confirm their physical traits are elite, or seriously injured players proving their injury is healed. Guys who fall big generally do something asinine during the process that sets up a massive ?.
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4 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
But you also need what I call a landing spot for the BPA otherwise it's a wasted pick. For example the Jets are drafting near the top, should they take another QB if he's the BPA to sit behind Darnold as opposed to say they take a WR or lineman to help Darnold. Or even make the defensive player to make that side stronger.
The best approach is probably somewhere in the middle and realistically you'll never know as whomever any team in the league were to draft, they will tell you he was their BPA on their board.
Granted you don't want to take a projected 4th rounder in the 1st round like many argue was the case with EJ, but you also don't want to be tied to one player either. BPA is fine as long as you have about 5 or 6 that fit that spot.
Were the Pats really smart to wait to round 6 to draft Brady or just lucky. IMO lucky
I’d add that a solid position group without any dominant players can still be considered a position of need in the first round. Under that definition DL is a need for us if there’s blue chip talent available at our first pick. Aside from Hughes, who’s long in the tooth, we don’t have any dominant DL players... Just a whole bunch of average.
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Anyone else curious about what a pair of “QB whisperers” see in both of our failed QBs? Manuel and Peterman are very different QBs. What common traits make them fits for Gruden and Reids’ respective west coast variants?
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Sort of a safety corner tweener with the way he was used in coverage. They used him a lot to cover slot receivers in zones and he’s able to play some press. I’m curious to see how he times, but the kid has a knack for being around the football. As it stands now probably 4-5 round prospect. The gem of that secondary is Lonnie Johnson.
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26 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:
I think the variance between the 2 years is far enough apart. Certainly not like those guys. But you're right. Dorsey Levens takes us down a slippery slope. He's definitely not the "best" one year wonder cause he had that darn 1000 yard season.. minimizing the wonder the one year.
I still can't emphasize enough how Brandon Lloyd's season is getting overlooked. I'll bet that's among the highest if you compare his best season to any of his second best seasons:
Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV 2003 22 SFO wr 85 16 1 30 14 212 15.1 2 44 0.9 13.3 46.7% 14 15.1 212 2 0 2 2004 23 SFO WR 85 13 13 89 43 565 13.1 6 52 3.3 43.5 48.3% 43 13.1 565 6 0 4 2005 24 SFO WR 85 16 15 109 48 733 15.3 5 89 3.0 45.8 44.0% 48 15.3 733 5 1 6 2006 25 WAS WR 85 15 12 57 23 365 15.9 0 52 1.5 24.3 40.4% 23 15.9 365 0 1 3 2007 26 WAS wr 85 8 1 11 2 14 7.0 0 9 0.3 1.8 18.2% 2 7.0 14 0 0 0 2008 27 CHI wr 80 11 5 50 26 364 14.0 2 32 2.4 33.1 52.0% 26 14.0 364 2 0 3 2009 28 DEN wr 84 2 1 18 8 117 14.6 0 44 4.0 58.5 44.4% 8 14.6 117 0 0 1 2010* 29 DEN WR 84 16 11 153 77 1448 18.8 11 71 4.8 90.5 50.3% 1 -18 0 -18 -18.0 -1.1 0.1 78 18.3 1430 11 0 12 2011 30 2TM 15 14 148 70 966 13.8 5 44 4.7 64.4 47.3% 70 13.8 966 5 1 5 DEN wr 84 4 4 31 19 283 14.9 0 44 4.8 70.8 61.3% 19 14.9 283 0 1 2 STL WR 83 11 10 117 51 683 13.4 5 37 4.6 62.1 43.6% 51 13.4 683 5 0 3 2012 31 NWE WR 85 16 15 131 74 911 12.3 4 53 4.6 56.9 56.5% 74 12.3 911 4 0 10 2013 Missed season - Out of NFL 2014 33 SFO wr 84 14 3 35 14 294 21.0 1 80 1.0 21.0 40.0% 14 21.0 294 1 0 A solid 500 yards ahead of 2011. Not to mention how obscure he was before then. It's how forgettable his career was that makes that year so crazy. And he looked more than capable of being among the best afterwards but never got around to it.
He definitely looked to be building up. Dude got there then... zilch.
We should consider Eddie Royal too. He was in the same group with Jordie Nelson and DeSean Jackson his first year... then nothing but crickets. Went from 90 receptions to 30 while playing the same number of games.
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On 2/20/2019 at 9:58 AM, WideNine said:
I catch the Iowa games too, and I like your Wittin analogy.
I would not say that being comparable to Gronk is beyond his reach though as I do not think Hockenson has filled out or hit his ceiling yet...and if he stays healthy I have no idea where that may be.
His combine measurables will be interesting. Either way if he stays healthy in the right system the kid could be a very dependable TE like Wittin.
Only time will tell and I like a few TE prospects in this draft.
Grönk is such a freak that I find it hard to compare anyone to him. The guy just has a different mold like LT. I don’t think it’s fair to even try and compare someone to that. However, there are still plenty of guys below that level of freakishness that are in the HoF. The difficult part is predicting... especially with TEs.
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Keep in mind though, that if you open the doors for 2 year wonders the list grows exponentially with guys like Ryan Grant (back to back 1200 yard seasons), Brandon Jacobs (b2b 1000 yards), etc. there are simply a ton of players that fit that mold because of injuries.
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5 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:
yeah a lot of injuries, but apart from those 2 years he had nothing close. Median season is like.. 300 yards rushing.
Levens was a great receiving back when he was getting touches in those 2 years.
And if we're taking Peyton Hillis' season.. The difference between Hillis and Levens' best "one year wonder" and second best season aren't far apart. Levens just had that good of a year in 97.
I’m not arguing that. He spent the first part of his career backing up Bennett until the 96’ playoffs when Bennett got injured. Levens had 2 healthy seasons after that. Damn shame, but knee injuries in the 90’s were still a big deal.
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On 2/20/2019 at 7:40 AM, Bill from NYC said:
True, but he was an excellent player. I was lucky enough to see him play at RWS. He had very long arms and used them perfectly as leverage. Bryce was also a nasty player. I'm not so sure of how some of his hits would go over in todays NFL.
In one game many, many years ago I saw the Bills sack Harbaugh 6 times. Bryce and Hansen were hitting him so hard I was afraid they were going to kill him and he kept getting up. Say what you want wrt Harbaugh but he is one of the toughest guys I ever saw in any sport.
Others on this board were at that game.
Paup was a damn good player. Only time I saw him live was when we were back in Wisconsin (whole family is packers fans) for a funeral in 93’. No sacks, but Paup basically shut down the edge for most of the game. People forget he could destroy a run game too. The highlight was Reggie White though. He single handily snuffed Elway's comback in the 4th with back to back sacks.
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8 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:
Dorsey Levens had such a good year in 1997. 1,435 yards rushing, 370 receiving.. not to mention he was instrumental in taking the Packers over the hump for their SB win. And his other 1000 yard season was pedestrian at 1,034. Next best rushing year? 566.
I'll allow it since he was a monster in 1997 AND his play directly lead to the SB. But otherwise.. yeah not so great a list.
Allowable, but Levens’ downfall was an injured knee. Plus, in his “other 1000 yard season” he also had 70 receptions for 570 yards for a total of about 1600 yards.
As an aside, those Holmgren designed screens may be the best ever created. Heck, Andy Reid is still using them effectively.
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11 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:
When he was Defensive Player of the Year, he had 17 1/2 if I recall John. The following year he had 9 1/2 unless my memory is shot, and I can't look it up right now. He tore his groin and I don't know if anyone ever came back from that.
I saw him play against us when he was on the Packers and was thrilled beyond belief when we signed him as a ufa. I think it was 3 years/7.6 million LOL! The man was just great!!!! Bruce Smith was happy when Paup was named DPOY and said he deserved it.
He tore his groin. The man was absolutely great. He was as strong as an ox and used his long arms as well as anybody. His sacks caused injury and pain. I don't think that he was very friendly lol.
Talk about fortunate circumstances... The guy went from playing with Reggie White to playing with Bruce. It’s not often that you see a 4x probowler spend most of his career being the second best pass rusher on his team.
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18 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Dont get me wrong, I like Brown a lot. But for me, he was certainly a potential first round guy, but he was no lock for the first round IMO. To be fair I don't see any WR as a "lock" for the first round right now given how deep and closely graded the class is. With the combine coming up, there are at least 7 WRs who all have a chance to make first round cases, and then its going to be team by team preference.
Plus WR's are one of those groups where the draft order never goes as expected. Lots of times there are "first round" guys who see several other less talked about WRs go ahead of them as they fall to 2nd and 3rd round. Its going to happen this year too, and given Browns size, he was one I thought had that kind of slip potential given the crowded WR group.
I think the closest 2 guys to being a lock for the first round are Metcalf and Harry...yet even they both need to show strong at the combine for that to be true.
I think you’re on point. Metcalf is the most likely to me, as I think he’d be the first WR taken and likely a pick 10-15 guy without that neck injury. All things considered, this WR class reminds me of the 2008 class. Let’s hope they walk away with a Nelson or Jackson instead of a Hardy or Sweed.
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6 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:
As would be the case with most teams if they lost their starting QB and some teams wouldnt be much better with their starter. The McKenzie firing was all Gruden.
Which is why “owner” or “Davis” are in most of my comments. The dysfunction trickles down from the top. Gruden is just the final straw. You don’t bring in a personality like Gruden and hand him that contract and implied power unless you’re unhappy with your GM, absolutely clueless, or insane.
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3 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:
Glad you agree your comments were pretty ignorant.
I’m sure you’re about as happy as a dead pig in the sunshine... Fact remains, McKenzie had an UDFA backing up Carr in 16’ then a 4th round rookie and EJ Manual in 17’. I couldn’t tell you if that’s on McKenzie or Mr Bowl Cut. What I can surmise for other league wide occurrences is that the team falling apart after Carr’s injuries didn’t help McKenzies employment situation.
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2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:
Yes because all franchises have a backup plan at QB its not like it took us 18 years to find a legit prospect or anything like that. Most franchises have 2 to 3 franchise QBs on their rosters.?
You’re absolutely correct. Fans and owners fully understand that there’s a quarterback shortage. In fact they’re so understanding that their sympathy for GMs and coaches provides them with the faith and patience to endure decades of losing without becoming upset or frustrated with performance. I’m quite sure that I’ll never have the intellect or wisdom to comprehend the depth of faith and trust displayed by owners and their teams fans; especially Raider Nation. I swear those cats must have studied under the Dahli Lama for they are extraordinary examples of steadfast sensibility and are known worldwide for their reasonable natures.
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Which is why I compared him to Lawson who went around pick 20 despite a freakish combine instead of Clowney.