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2 hours ago, WideNine said:
You may be right.
I like Hockenson a lot, but I think any other year he would probably be a 2nd round pick.
Because no one has really separated themselves from the pack as THE top-end receiver in this class folks are looking more at the deeper TE class and it's top-end prospects.
Kittle was taken in the 5th I believe, but his success now has more teams looking at that Iowa program, how they recruit and coach up their TEs.
These other factors I do think have caused his draft stock to rise... I don't think he will last through the first round, and neither will Irv Smith.
Not sure about Fant, but don't know if there was ever a year where 3 TE's went in the first...would have to do some digging.
I personally do not see the Bills brass taking him at 9, but there are no guarantees even at the top of the draft either.
I do think he should be just as much an option as the top receivers folks are batting around if they trade down in the 1st.
I think he will be the first TE off the board, and might be the first receiving option to get drafted. Him coming out definitely pushes Fant down. I do think that Beane may be more comfortable with Smith because of the info that Daboll may have provided. I actually wouldn't rule out a trade with say GB - our 1st and 2nd for both their 1sts and whatever makes up the difference... In that case I could see us taking Smith with that second 1st rounder.
2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:See I would agree with you in most years about Hockenson and agree in a much stronger draft maybe he goes 20-30. I keep hearing that he isn't a transcendent type and that may be true it might not be. I say this, this draft at the top stinks name me guys that you KNOW FOR SURE are going to be a star. Nick Bosa.....that might be just about it in this draft. There is no sure fire QB. There is no top 10 RB. No Top 20 WR. There now maybe 5 Edge or DT's that are worthy of the 9th overall pick(Williams, Bosa, Allen, Gary, Oliver), 1 LB(White) and No DB's worthy of the 9th pick. Greedy Williams is now being talked about as a mid to late first round pick. Thats why I brought him up, I think he's an interesting case. I think if he runs 4.55 or 4.6 he should be in consideration. If he runs 4.7-4.8 then your probably right he's a late 1 or two. His testing results will tell a lot about him. I dont expect him to run 4.4 to justify picking him tho.
This WR class reminds me of 2008 - the James Hardy draft. All the talent was late 1st - early 3rd. There were some serious gems (Nelson and Jackson), but a lot of the talent washed out. Butler actually reminds me of Hardy to a fair degree.
I absolutely agree that the weakness in top offensive talent will drive up the value for a few players. Namely Hockenson and Metcalf. Without that neck injury I think Metcalf would have been the defacto #1 WR in the class and a top 10 pick. I do think that Montez Sweat may climb after the combine. A team may take a flier on Simmons or an OT as well. It's going to be an interesting draft. If Hockenson runs a 4.55-4.6 I wouldn't be surprised to see him be the first offensive skill position player taken. Definitely a strange year.
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2 hours ago, billspro said:
For me positional value is QB, OL, DE, CB, TE, LB. If you have stars in those spots you are a championship contender.
I personally would take Gronk or Kittle in the top 10. I know you can find good TEs later in the draft but I think Hockenson can be a Gonzalez type of TE. He is rare in my opinion.
I see him as more of a Witten type, and not a Gronk. I think he'll be a reliable, top end, do it all TE. I watched 5-6 Iowa games this year, and while he stood out I didn't come away with the impression that he was an overwhelmingly dominant force. That said, I think he's the best blocking TE in the draft that can reliably catch the ball... Furthermore, I think he might actually have the best hands in the draft. I would absolutely take Gronk in the top 10.... You have to remember though.... When Gronk came out he had back issues, ran a 4.65, and had occasional games where his concentration was off. Without the back problems he would have gone around 15-20. That's what I'm saying about Hoch.... Amazing prospect, but he hasn't done anything to blow everyone away.
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6 hours ago, billspro said:
Are you sure? I think he will be the best TE in the NFL by year 3.
He may very well be one of the best TE's in the NFL by his third year. Those things are difficult to predict. However, he's still a TE.... which means that the positional draft value isn't there for a top 10 pick unless he puts up freak (Vernon Davis 4.38) numbers at the combine in the 40 or vertical jump. Teams would rather try and find a Gronk or George Kittle between the 2nd and 5th than spend a top 10 on a TE. It's a strange year though. Without any other sure thing playmakers or QBs in the draft his value might be bumped up and a team may pull the trigger early. Fact remains, I don't see anything about him that says he'll be a transcendent player though. Excellent, yes.... But the type of guy that completely redefines the position on his way to the Hall of Fame? No. I don't see that. Is he worth the #9 pick? Perhaps, but it's dependent upon the value of the defensive players left on the board.
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He’s not transcendent enough at that position to warrant a top 10 pick. He’s not Gonzalez or Vernon Davis. I could see him at 15 though. I doubt he could drop past NE. Heck, he might not get past GB if all the good edge guys are gone by then. At 9 though... Nah. There’s probably better value at edge, corner, OT, or DT unless the kids pulls a 4.4 40.
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17 hours ago, OrtonHearsaWho said:
I generally agree with that but really think Metcalf has the potential to be Julio. I don't see anyone else with a ceiling as high.
With that neck injury I’d be making Sterling Sharpe comparisons instead of Julio Jones.... The talent is there. Teams just have to be 100% sure about the injury risk, and accept that he might be forced out of the league early.
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It depends on how the player is polarizing. This team could probably absorb a Richard Sherman type that talks a lot, but works his tail off and sets an example with his “work ethic”. I’d say “hard no” on keeping guys with massive off field problems (Everson Griffen or Hunt) out of trouble though.
IIRC McDermott said every team can handle a couple big egos. I think a few guys like that are needed as confidence can be infectious. However, I don’t think Josh Allen has enough clout and presence to deal with a Primadonna receiver yet. In a way it comes down to established vet presence.... I guess I’d say our defense is likely capable of taking on a massive personality, but our offense isn’t.
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Daboll seems pretty comfortable substituting WRs like the rams do. I’m not sure if that stemmed from trying to find a reliable group, or if that’s going to be his MO moving forward. If it’s what he wants to do then some of these slot guys are in play, and I’d expect Beane to go for pure value and “process”. My money would be on guys who’ve proven to be reliable outlets for scrambling QBs and are under 30... Cobb (Rodgers), Humphries (Fitzmagic), etc. Along with guys that have all the physical tools to be a #1, stretch the field vertically, or play teams.
I’d assume Humphries, Cobb, Brown, Williams, and Patterson are in play. I’m tempted to throw Jared Cook into the equation as a TE option as well, though I think he stays in Oakland/LV or goes back to GB.
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3 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:
Golden Tate would cost more because he's actually productive. Humphries as I mentioned is also a way better option than Cobb. Foster and Zay really came on at the end of last year, I don't think we need to pay for an expensive WR coach or take our young players off the field in favor of a guy who hasn't been good for 4 seasons despite playing with arguably the best QB in the league.
IDK. I’d be pretty happy to add a receiver that provides 60 receptions, 600 yards, 4 tds, and the ability to return kicks (average of last 4 seasons)... All while not getting in trouble off the field, getting taunting penalties, or providing opponents with bulletin board material.
Beane has money to spend. There are definitely better options than Cobb. I’m just not sure there’s a better value. Time will tell.
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41 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:
I'm gonna disagree with this strongly. I believe he can play any of the interior positions but will develop into an outstanding C eventually.
As is your right... I think he’ll be able play any of the interior positions in a zone scheme and center in any scheme. Living in the ? pack home area for the past few years I’ve watched almost every game. Bradbury is amazing, but he doesn’t thrive when run blocking against talented 1 tecs and NTs with good hand technique. He doesn’t consistently drive them out of the hole like you’d want to see from a guard in a power scheme. He’s amazing at turning them, making reach blocks, combos, etc. Also keep in mind that Bradbury was surrounded by talented O-linemen... As a unit they blanked Clemson’s front seven. Only sack came from a CB blitz.
It’s possible that he adds weight and strength during the draft season, so his ability to drive 1techs may improve. He did come into NC State as a TE. I don’t see the point of playing him at guard though, especially with this roster. If Beane drafts Bradbury the kid will beat out Bodine by the end of camp unless he gets injured.
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2 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:
I think Cobb is washed and hasn't been effective for multiple seasons now.
He’s definitely not what he was and he gets nagging injuries every year. However, last year our receivers did an absolutely amazing job of being clueless when Allen broke contain and started playing yard ball. We need someone in that receivers room with experience playing that style of football... Cobb fits that profile. One could argue that Tate brings a similar skill set and experience level. Tate’s also likely to cost more. Pick your poison... This WR FA class is disappointing with regards to top end talent and value. A cheaper option that can help a younger group get up to speed might be a worthwhile investment.
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35 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:
I'd like a T, TE, G, 2 WR, DE, OLB. Specifically I want Risner at T, Bradbury at G and we can move him to C in a couple years.
Bradbury isn’t really physically suited to play guard, particularly in a power scheme. He’s a hell of an athlete, but he might weigh around 290-300 pounds. We’ll see at the combine. He’s the guy to grab if we want a year one starter at center though.
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41 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
I will share this tweet because I would like to see it and I think it has a decent chance of happening, since the Bills offered him a 3 year deal last year in FA. I do not think The Abolitionist will want to re-sign with the Ravens. The other team in the mix with the Ravens and Bills last year in FA for him was the Raiders, and they now have a different GM so they may or may not still be interested.
I like John Brown at a decent price. I think he’d work well to round out the WR corp with a draft pick.
Im also a fan of nabbing Randall Cobb of he hits the market. He might be the best available WR with regards to getting open in the QBs eyesight during a scramble. That could be an invaluable resource for J Allen.
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17 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
I'd suggest you edit your post and delete "Probably." No other pair is close. Shula and Marino might be second, but they never did the things that B and B are doing.
The closest comparison success-wise is Lombardi and Starr. However, the modern NFL and 60’s NFL aren’t comparable. The one true commonality is a dedication to discipline and perfection; mistake free football from the full roster. We often underrate BB’s ability to get a modern roster to buy in to that brand of football every year. Tactical brilliance aside, that alone makes him rather unique.
Simply put, BB is the greatest modern era coach. Previous eras aren’t comparable because it’s almost a different sport.
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16 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
There are quite a few I would be happy with at 9. If a team identifies a player as one they covet, there is no wrong spot to take them. Trade downs are great, but the reality is there are several factors when considering a trade to get the same player you would take at (in this scenario) #9.
- Is there anyone who wants to trade up to our spot?
- Would we still be able to get one of our coveted players at the new draft spot if we trade down or are they expected to be gone before that pick?
- If we trade down, is there someone else likely to try and leap frog us and draft the player we covet?
Now, there are a number of things working in our favor this year for a potential trade down
- Defensively top heavy, meaning our spot should be a good spot to nab a QB.
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Washington has a bad prognosis on Alex Smith, so we could be a perfect trade partner.
- Additionally, Redskis are at 15 and if we covet a WR, there are no teams between 10 and 14 expected to draft a WR, so we should have our pick of one at 15.
- Furthermore, this is a deep WR class with the top 7 WRs all closely bunched up, so not likely someone will trade UP for one into picks 10-14 to leap frog us. There isn't huge gaps between any of the grades of the top 7 WRs or so. So less incentive to move up for one.
So I am actually mocking the Bills to trade down with the Redskins at 15 and I think the pick will be a WR, and my choice (before the combines) right now is N'Keal Harry.
Depending on how the edge rushers pan out GB might be in play as well. Something along the lines of our 1 & 2 for both their 1’s with a later pick being used to adjust values.
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14 hours ago, CSBill said:
You're all probably tired of me saying it, but this is exactly why I think Bradbery is a good consideration at 9. It is vital to have an anchor in the middle, and getting the right person could solve that problem for 10+ years.
I love Bradbury, but he’s not a top ten talent. He’s not noticeably scheme versatile, and he can struggle a bit with the higher talent NTs. He also played on a line that was talented across the board. Stat of note; Clemson’s front seven had 0 sacks against the wolfpack. The only sack came on a corner blitz. It’s likely that 4-5 guys on that o-line find their way into the nfl.
I can see Bradbury going in the late teens where talent and need line up. The guy isn’t transcendent though, which an interior o lineman needs to be when cracking the top ten. If we trade back Bradbury may be in play.
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3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
This is my mock right now, before the combine, post Senior Bowl. Let me know what ya think
I will try and update a V2 after the combine, and then a final V3 just before the draft. I am only mocking the Bills...and only to round 4 as everything from that point on is even more impossible to predict.
Current picks: 10 total. 1, 2, 3, 4, 4 (KC), 5 (OAK), 5, 6, 7, 7 (Car)
I have 2 first round trades involving the Bills...one trade down, then one trade up. I think we are likely going to be trading down with Redskins picking up 2 additional picks. Hard to see Beane drafting 12 players (our current 10, plus the 2 he picks up in the trade down) so I think he will package some of the picks to get another top end prospect in round 1 or 2.
FIRST ROUND: (2 PICKS via Trade)
Trade down with Redskins. Bills receive Redskins 15th pick, 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick
#15 Overall: BILLS DRAFT: N'Keal Harry - WR, Arizona State
SECOND TRADE ALERT: Bills trade back into the first round.
Bills trade up to 27 with Oak (via Chicago): Bills send their own 2nd round pick and the 3rd round pick the received from Washington to Oak. Oak looking at a massive rebuild adds another quality pick in a small trade down.
#27 Overall: BILLS DRAFT: T.J. Hockenson - TE, IOWA
SECOND ROUND:
Pick via Redskins trade:
BILLS DRAFT: Cody Ford - OT/G, Oklahoma
NOTE: I previously had Dalton Risner here, however he seems to be rising into potentially the first round. I want to mock Risner, but I think he goes early and that causes Ford to slide a further down to us.
THIRD ROUND:
Our original pick.
BILLS DRAFT: Oshane Ximines - EDGE, Old Dominion
FOURTH ROUND: (2 PICKS)
Our original pick.
BILLS DRAFT: Olisaemeka Udoh - OT, ELON
Pick via KC
BILLS DRAFT: Darrell Henderson - RB, Memphis
BELOW: Highlight reels of the NON Offensive Line prospects as they dont really have good reels to view being OL and one being a small school.
Udoh is an interesting pick. I’m not sure he goes that high, but it’s difficult to project small school guys pre-combine. That said, Udoh’s technique needs work, particularly balance and hand fighting. He has the physical talent, and Elon is a Christian school so he probably fits the character mold.
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2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:
Jakobi Meyers is one to keep an eye on. Watching Kelvin Harmon game tape and Meyers pops out as a good possession option. Isnt as big as Harmon but seemed like the go to for Finley.
Both those guys block downfield. As much as I like Harmon, he sometimes disappears for stretches against top corners. Meyers sort of finds a way to make something happen, especially against zone coverage or off breaks in the intermediate range.
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I’ll be focusing on the o and d lines. I’ll probably focus a bit more on Bradbury, Risner, and Udoh. However, I want to see if anyone pops or dominates. I’m particularly interested in finding out which linemen perform well while pulling and blocking in space.
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5 hours ago, Augie said:
Welcome!
Thank you. Been reading silently for over a year. ?. I was on the BBMB before drifting over. Signed up there around 06’
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On 1/24/2019 at 9:27 AM, FeelingOnYouboty said:
He's close friends with Harrison Phillips too. He's been a great college player for 4 years. There's a great chance he's a very good NFL player. I like the idea of having Dillard and Bradbury. Two of the best OL athletes this year.
Beane/McDermott have their hands full because we need at least 3 new starters next year on the OL.
This. I’ve spent the past three years living outside of Durham and watching a ton of Wolfpack games. Bradbury is probably the best center prospect in the draft. It’s amazing how technically proficient the kid is considering he’s only been an o lineman for three years. As good a prospect as he is there’s still a lot of room to improve. Bonus is that he has a similar disposition to K Williams. The only thing I’d worry about is scheme fit. I doubt he’ll ever be a power guy with his frame.
Also, keep an eye on Udoh. Elon is a small Christian school in N.C. The kid’s lacking in technique, but he has all the physical tools. Could be a late round prospect.
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Allen is NOT inaccurate unless Baker, Lamar, Darnold, Rosen, 2017 Watson & 2016 Wentz are, too
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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This is a key point that a fair amount of people neglect to mention on the national level, and it’s a critical component moving forward. Allen is not only coachable, but has the intelligence and work ethic for the coaching to be effective. Simply put, he’s going to be a better QB next year, particularly if he spends the off-season making his footwork instinctual and improving his touch.
Also, this “coachable” trait seems to be something McBeane drafts for... They’re looking for intelligent guys with drive and physical tools. I think moving forward we will see them continue this trend where they’ll take the “coachable” prototype in the first two rounds despite inconsistency in college performance or lack of elite competition.