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5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:
Good point. But we handed Mahomes to KC on a silver platter..
KC is not in the Bills division and he was not that highly regarded coming out of college. He landed on a great offensive roster and has flourished with all of that support. I doubt that he would have been the league MVP playing with the 2018 Bills. During the 2017 draft, the Bills had a terrible roster with too many holes. They were headed to cap hell. The smart play was to trade down, get extra picks, fill some holes, and not draft a QB at that time. They would have just squandered two years of the QB's rookie contract on a terrible team.
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11 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Why though? Miami is in total rebuild mode, they are so far off from being a threat. We have nothing to fear on a trade back with them. It arguably helps the Bills a lot more than the Dolphins. They are the ones losing picks, we likely still get the player we wanted plus the extra picks.
You very seldom see a GM help a team within their division crawl out of a hole. If you can prevent them from getting the future QB they desire, it is even better. Usually you see them put the proverbial boot on their throat and step down hard on a variety of personnel moves. Recent examples are Belicheat signing Hogan and Gillisliee away from the Bills or the Bills signing Clay away from Miami. It's not about Miami not being a threat this year. If you can keep Miami in rebuild mode for a longer period of time, it will be a greater benefit.
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I will be greatly surprised if there is a RB selected before day 3 of the draft. As others have pointed out, this isn't a great year for RB prospects. I believe that Beane is comfortable with McCoy and Gore for this year. It makes sense to have the heir apparent on the roster for a year before they have to be the main guy but they may not see it that way.
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I doubt that Beane would trade down with a division rival (Miami ) unless he could really exact an outrageous price. There are so many moving pieces with the draft, predicting the Bills moves are nothing more than a guess. Not even an educated guess, at that.
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2 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:
He may not be tipping his hand, but he certainly isn’t wrong. In saying that, they do have 2 early picks so they can easily split them on O and D.
I agree with you. He may already have a deal in place to acquire Rosen from Arizona. They have an early 2nd round pick that may be enough to make the trade. He may think that none of the QB's other than Murray are better than Rosen. If he pulls off the trade, he keeps the two #1's and keeps the flexibility to take two good position players on either offense or defense.
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53 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
Starting to hear that he won’t, which matches up with where his stock was before all the pre-draft crap.
I agree with you. I think he is one of the top five prospects. We need about 5 GM's to completely whiff on their picks so that he can drop to #9. I don't expect that to happen.
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6 minutes ago, HOUSE said:
Spy Spider commonly used by the patriots
Looks like one of the Kraft family!
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When I look at the Bills roster, other than QB, they can use a talent upgrade at any position group. That's why Beane keeps talking about taking BPA. It gets a little confusing when trade downs come into play. Those decisions are made when the grade on available players doesn't match the pick or when the roster has enough glaring wholes where the extra picks are of more value than the player available at the original pick. Since I don't know about the specific grades on given players, I don't feel like I'm really in a position to judge the draft until I see them perform in games. I have draft prospects that I like but that doesn't mean they will be the best selection. I have to keep reminding myself that I really liked the selection of Dareus and we all know how poorly that turned out. I'm just going to trust the process.
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With the depth of good players in certain position groups in this draft class, I think it makes more sense to move up into the second or third rounds. The price to make those moves is a more reasonable use of the extra 4th, 5th, and 7th round picks.
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I have to believe that Beane is playing his cards conservatively at this point. Based on his past comments about managing the cap, I don't expect him to throw big money at a guy like Clark or Clowney. Depending on how the draft falls through the first few picks, he will make his move for either a specific player or down for more picks or make the pick at 9.
In my opinion, the only likely trade candidate that has any potential value is Lawson. Other than some speculation from some sports reporters, I haven't seen anything to indicate that they are serious about a trade. The decision with his 5th year option may clarify things.
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11 minutes ago, Virgil said:
Why now? We will most likely re-sign Hughes and could very well re-sign Lawson? Why spend a top 10 pick on a guy that may not even start?
I think he could be better than Lawson, but then what do you do with him?
If he played edge and rotated with Lorax, okay. I just don’t see how it works for that high of a pick.
But please educate me
I'm not sure that they will re-sign Lawson, especially if they don't pick up his fifth year option. If they stick to BPA in the draft, they won't worry how they will get him on the field (at least according to Beane). He would be a rotational player to start and earn more playing time with good performance. I don't care for this scenario but it is one that they may follow. I agree with you that we need to select an impact starter with our pick at 9. It's not like the Bills have a loaded roster and can afford for a number 9 pick to wait on the sidelines.
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1 hour ago, WRONG JOSH said:
Browns tanked, got a bunch of good players and the top QB in the draft, had a ton of cap space and got some great veterans, and now they are a top team in the AFC.
On the other hand, during that same time period the Bills decided it was smart to try and win with a bad roster full of old dudes, got some mediocre players in the draft, got some mediocre veterans, and a mediocre/bad QB (but hey he can run).
Browns will go 10-6 and be AFC North contenders and a playoff team and the Bills will be watching the playoffs on TV like always
The Browns didn't tank. Their front office did an incredibly bad job of drafting (Johnny Football and others) and had some of the worst coaching in the league. They squandered multiple high draft picks, several years in a row. They finally got a good GM, had two good drafts in a row, made one really good trade, made a couple of really good FA signings, and improved their coaching staff. They really stumbled their way into this great situation. They were so bad that they didn't need to tank. They still have some holes to fill on their defense but I expect their GM to get them fixed. They have a window of time to be successful before rookie deals start to run out on those high draft picks. In the meantime, I expect them to be good, especially on offense.
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2 hours ago, dubs said:
The Jets have a leakage problem
I think "Depends could have a market for an athletic fit version". Just sayin
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Depending on who is picked in 1 through 8, it is possible that he could be the BPA. I don't think it will fall that way, but it is possible. It wouldn't be horrible but I'm hoping for better.
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As much as we all like to throw rocks at Roger the dodger, the restrictions on off season workouts and practices are the result of the demands of the NFLPA. This was negotiated in lieu of benefit and monetary demands. The owners gave this and kept more cash. Can't say as I blame them. As many have pointed out, many of these restrictions are really stupid. I'm sure that as players gather for their own private offsite workouts, defensive players are catching balls, etc.
I can't wait for real football to start.
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1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:
Best player available on big board at WR, TE, DT, OT, or DE in 1st round..
You got it! BPA because the Bills need better talent in all of those areas.
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5 minutes ago, Augie said:
I don’t really follow the guy, but it sounds like Clowney wants to get paid for his hype, not his production. Mario Williams actually played well, for a while.
I think that you nailed it. Nobody would argue that the guy has freakish athletic ability. The problem is that he has not been a dominating player but wants to get paid like one. I hope Beane sees it the same way.
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I don't see any of the WR draft prospects being worthy of a selection at #9. Based on the FA receiver signings, I don't think the Bills do either. With the 11 guys they have under contract, it seems unlikely that they will draft one unless a good receiver plummets during the draft. It is looking more like d-line with or without a trade down.
I don't know about the rest of you but I'm going to stock up on beer and chips and get ready to hunker down on the 25th. I can't wait to see the threads that erupt after the first picks. We'll have the whiners and the self proclaimed experts that guessed what Beane did. No matter what happens, the Bills will have a better roster at the end of the draft and we'll all have new material to write about.
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Like some others on this thread, I'm sure that some of the recent FA signings won't make the 53 man roster nor will all of the draft picks. I'm sure that is part of the plan. They brought in a bunch of FA guys with active game experience to compete for a job. Their contracts can be easily dumped by the team. The result should be a better roster from top to bottom. Working with a better roster next year, this process should be easier and easier with each successive year. Keeping the CAP in a manageable position is the key to making this possible.
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I don't know whether there is really a sweet spot for trading up or not. It seems to me that things like teams moving up to draft QB's or a serious run on a particular position create the opportunities to trade up or down. Nine may not be high enough to get one of the coveted QB's and it may be so high that the run on a particular position has not materialized. Some posters act as though Beane merely needs to decide to trade up or down and it will happen. It takes two teams with agreement over the price of the trade. After reading a lot about this draft class, there are about 12 guys that look to be very high quality picks. The next tier seems to be valued more than other years and may include the next 40 players. If you can get one of those top 12 and two of the next 40, you've done a good job. This would require a move up toward the end of day one or early on day two.
I'm hoping for teams moving up to snag a QB. This may create a chance to move down and still get one of the players that they value but with a lower pick (plus gaining an extra day two pick).
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No Jerry Butler, Reggie McKenzie, Joe Devlin, Jim Braxton, Tom Day, John Tracy, Ben Williams?
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He was a good guy and a high effort guy. He was not a game changer that could justify the money that the Cheatriots paid him. Contrary to the revisionists, there were large numbers of people that were apoplectic over his loss. Even the local and national news media pushed the narrative that this was a big loss.
At the time it seemed more important than it was because the Bills' roster was fairly weak. His effort had been a positive on a team that had a shortage of effort and results.
I hope he does well ( just not against the Bills )and stays healthy.
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2 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:
We got a stud center and filled in a LOT of proven high floor veteran depth. Exactly what I wanted. Find our talent with guys we pick in the draft but plug the numerous gaps with some veterans for once to make us competitive every year going forward while we groom the home growns in a winning culture.
But the main story for me so for is Mitch Morse. Excited to see the immediate impact he presumably brings to the table. I like fostering a relationship between a franchise QB and a high caliber C. Josh Allen stands to learn a lot from a vet like that calling protections.
Not so bad contracts either. We kept it flexible. I want to see some home grown talent kept around here for the next contract if they perform.
Best regards. I know co-workers that have had the same diagnosis and gone on to live productive happy lives with the right life style changes.
Great summary! I think you nailed it in a very concise manner. I also know a person that overcame this diagnosis to lead a productive and happy life over the last 15 years.
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12 hours ago, NewEra said:
Jawaan Taylor, Devin White, Hockenson, Dilliard.
I agree with you in that exact order of preference.
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Daniel Jeremiah: "Bills more than open to trading back"
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Close but no cigar! Mahomes was not considered a sure thing in a draft that was not considered to have strong QB prospects, thus his drop to pick #10. He was considered to be one of the better QB's available in that draft. The knock on him was the system that he played in. He sat for a year because KC felt that he wasn't ready to play and Alex Smith was still the better player. To his credit, he learned quickly and is on his way to being a great player with great players around him.
The trade down isn't being looked at as an overly rosey scenario. Your view of the GM at the time is spot on. By the time of the draft, he wasn't involved in any of this decision making (he was a dead man walking). I believe that McD was hired because he had experience in Carolina in their process of rebuilding their team to compete for the long term. Picking a QB that wasn't viewed as a sure thing onto a bad roster with an imminent cap disaster, was not a good long term strategy. In addition, the consensus was that the 2018 draft was going to be deep in high quality QB talent. That view won out and they made the trade down. The trade down produced multiple starters and draft capital to move up to select a QB. Time will tell whether that QB develops into a great player or not.