Phil The Thrill
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Just now, Jauronimo said:
I've heard that it was a combination of Russ and Whaley. Both got awful chatty after a few vodka crans if the rumors are true.
It would make sense. The Whaley “rogue” story seems like it would’ve come from Rex or a member of the coaching staff. -
On 5/19/2020 at 4:47 PM, mykidsdad said:
I'm wondering if anyone has done the research to see if there are any publicly traded stocks that will go up if the Bills make a Superbowl run. I think the Bills could pull it off this year, and it has to be good for some sort of price spike somewhere we might be able to capture. Thanks in advance.
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5 hours ago, whatdrought said:
Two bills make the list:
White listed as the third CB behind Gilmore at 6, and Ramsey at 26.
Diggs is the 13th WR behind some obvious inclusions such ad Thomas, Hill, Hopkins, etc, and some really questionable ones such as AJ Green, JuJu, and OBJ.
Not one Bill mentioned in the "just missed category." though WR's like DJ Moore, Allen Robinson, and Devante Parker get mentioned while I think Brown is equal to those guys. Also, Safties like Marcus Williams and Eddie Jackson get mentioned with no mention of Poyer or Hyde.
Not that I should be surprised, but definitely some questionable choices as far as Bills recognition goes. White was better than Ramsey last year, and even if you give Ramsey the nod due to his body of work, I still don't see him being twice as good as White as the numbers suggest. Plus, if we're looking at entire careers then it's hard to put Gilmore so high. Also, AJ Green over Diggs feels like a clear mistake.
But what should be expected from someone who considers White a "Good man cover player"?
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It seemed like for a period between 2013 until the end of 2016, there always big stories related to Bills coaches/personnel leaked in the media. Many of these came from local beat reporters. It started shortly before the Doug Marrone hiring and really exploded while Rex was coaching. Here are a sampling of a few stories which made their way to the press. It should be noted that not all of these stories could be confirmed as legit:
- Doug Marrone’s blow-up with Russ Brandon/Doug Whaley
- Marrone walking out of the war room when Whaley traded and drafted Sammy Watkins.- Whaley going “rouge” and cutting Fred Jackson
- The playoff ultimatum made to Rex Ryan
- Rex Ryan’s firing the morning an important game versus Pittsburgh (and 2 weeks before he was actually fired)
These leaks were non-apparent when McDermott took over the team in 2017. The same beat reporters who reported some big behind-the-scenes stories, now mainly focused on the football product.
Did we ever find out where the leaks were coming from at OBD? What did McDermott do to all but eliminate these leaked stories which were so rampant in the media before the season began?
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Even at his age, he’s still going to help Pittsburgh. I think they’ll be a good team
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54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
2 is the minimum. Depends on whether the gun or the level of intoxication are such to be considered aggravating factors. If so more likely 4. But also much more likely from 2021 than 2020.
If he has to get suspended, let’s hope it happens in 2121 -
11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
He played really well. You are so wrong on him.
That said, no defence of this stupidity. He will likely get a small suspension and he deserves it.
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This is a really tough one and I’m not sure what the right answer is. On one hand, based on his play there’s no doubt CB deserves to be on the wall. But the charge against him was pretty bad and is probably taken more seriously in 2020 than it was back in 1997.
Marv’s point that Bennet paid his debt to society by serving jail time and also staying trouble free for 23 years is worth considering as well.
I think in the end, the potential backlash and negative PR that the Bills would face for putting CB on the wall, would greatly outweigh any of the benefits. So IMO the decision to exclude him is playing it safe from a PR standpoint.
16 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:Yes OJ and should be IMHO.
Bennett was simply one of the very top linebacker athletes of his time. A great steal by Polian.Speed, power length. BUT second in importance at LB to Talley.
The difference is that OJ was on the Wall already before the 1993 Brentwood murders. I highly doubt they would put him on the Wall after the trial. -
2 minutes ago, thronethinker said:
I think Moulds was better than Reed, but Reed had the better career. Moulds would have been #1 had he played more years with Kelly and the Offense Reed was in.
Reed had a lot of advantages that Moulds never did - the biggest was probably HOFers like Jim Kelly, Thurman, Lofton. For that reason, I do think you can make the argument that he’s #1
You’re right though, Reed was able to serve as a competent #2 during the final years of his career. Moulds seemed to fall off a cliff once he left Buffalo.
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I came across this on social media the other day. Eric Moulds was quite possibly one of the more underrated WR’s of his time. He put together several great years, and while he made 3 Pro-Bowls, I feel that he was never in the conversation as one of the best WR’s in the NFL during his prime.
How about Bills history? I know many will rightfully place Andre Reed on the top of the list of great Bills WRs. It’s hard to argue given his longevity production and HOF status.
But I think you might be able to make the argument that Moulds is a close second. Maybe even the best WR in Bills history.
You can argue that Moulds was more explosive than Reed ever was. He probably was bigger, faster and more athletic too. By the time he came into his own in his own, he was clearly better than Reed. He also was hindered somewhat by suspect QB play at times, and teams that underachieved.What always surprises me is the yards that Moulds racked up in year 3 - almost 1400 yards on 67 receptions. It’s crazy to think he sustained a 20+ YPC through the season.
I just think that Moulds was somewhat of an underrated both by the Bills fan base and the NFL.
So where do you rank Moulds among the greatest WRs in franchise history?
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10 hours ago, CowgirlsFan said:
A salute to one of the greatest fan of the Buffalo Bills.
Seemed like a good dude... RIP
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2 hours ago, scuba guy said:
The old rock pile
M and t bank bill board
Really old refs unis red like it looks cool
I’ve read that the Rockpile was known as one of the worst stadiums in the NFL back in the day. There was a documentary on Buffalo that said it -
9 hours ago, Bferra13 said:
Was a dam good draft pick I must say by Whaley. Guy has no one to blame but himself. Hes most likely toast by now after being out of the league and professional conditioning programs so long.
He played one season and then was out of the league in year two...oh yeah great pick Whaley!-
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8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:
This was a good article but the title is a bit misleading. His hack is.....there is no hack? -
18 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:
He had an 80 catch 1400 yard season with Blake Bortles. That's his ceiling. Robinson is only limited by the QBs he plays with. He has top 5 ability.
John Brown will never be that. Even Diggs has yet to be that kind of receiver.
I think you’re higher on Allen Robinson than the rest of the league is.-
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I don’t get how he had a Bills hat so quickly. I’m the video showed wearing a Bills hat at the time of his selection. I know the picks usually are announced a few minutes after the selection is made, but he obviously had a hat in his house
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Just now, Chicken Boo said:
Wow. Tells me all I need to know.
He’s a fringe #1 like John Brown was last year. You disagree? -
2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
Lot of hindsight here.
Not really.... At the time there were many questioning these moves.How many analysts felt that EJ Manuel was a franchise QB?
How many thought that trading 2 #1’s for Sammy Watkins was a wise move?
Who felt that the huge deal given to Charles Clay was wide?
Many were skeptical of these moves in the present. The only ones who loved them were Bills fans, though they’d change their minds months later.
Doug’s track record in the draft is NG
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46 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I explain it by reference to strategy. Whaley had no strategy. He wasn't a strategist. He could spot talent. That was why he was consistently able to find guys on the street who made contributions in the NFL. He knew a football player. What he had less concept of was how you team build and how you develop a culture.
Beane has success in the draft because he knows what he is looking for. They have an identity. They have a blueprint for what a Buffalo Bills player looks like. And he has an exceptional scouting staff. It truly is one of the best in the NFL. I would take Brandon Beane running my front office over Doug Whaley any day of the week - I think he will always deliver better results. But even he wouldn't describe himself as a top notch scout. He understands that isn't his job in a way Doug Whaley never did.
I think we’re talking about one specific area where Doug had success. That was finding players off the street that could come in and contribute. I’ll give you that - he did an excellent job within that niche of scouting.But Doug’s draft history is suspect at best.
- Is that why he drafted EJ as a franchise QB?
- How about when he doubled down on EJ and traded 2 #1’s for a “generational talents like Sammy Watkins?
- How about wasting a 2nd round pick on Cyrus Kuandjio?
- Or a 2nd on Reggie Ragland?
How about Doug’s big free agent signings like the terrible deals he gave to Marcel Dareus or Charles Clay which badly hurt the team.
So if you want to say Whaley is better at spotting street free agents, I can give you that. I still don’t feel you can use factual evidence to definitively say he’s a better scout than Beane.
16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:Ok. So you don’t want to throw away a year of scouting but your not even going to use it to your benefit such as taking a QB because you don’t trust the guys who did the scouting to begin with? Whaley was guna call up the Patriots and let them know what the Bills draft strategy was in January? How does that make any sense?
I don’t know. It’s not a productive philosophy in my opinion. Whaley should’ve been fired immediately after McDermott was hired. It was indecisive and incompetent behavior that hopefully didn’t cost them a franchise QB assuming Allen pans out.
I agree 100%. Either the Pegulas were sold a bill of goods by an old football executive or they wanted to give Doug a second chance because they liked him.
In either situation it was the wrong move
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7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Yes. You can. Beane isn't really a scout. He became Assistant GM in Carolina without doing any scouting. You don't have to be a career scout to be a good GM. Micky Loomis in New Orleans is not a scout either for example.
But you are basing this purely on your own speculation. There’s absolutely no evidence to suggest that Whaley is better at scoring that Beane, other than the fact that Whaley has experience in scouting. Experience alone doesn’t correlate to knowledge or success - ask Whaleys right hand man JIm Monos who was out of the league and selling cruises.Again, how do you explain the fact that Beane has been more successful than Whaley in the draft? We don’t know the involvement to which GM scouting which player. All that we know are the sections and the production on the field. To that extent, Beane has been much more successful than Whaley.
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31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
This is exactly what happened. McDermott was in control of that draft but he didn't trust Whaley's QB scouting. Nor did he trust Beane's because Beane is not, really, a scout. In fact I would say as scouts Doug Whaley is better than Brandon Beane. Beane is a better General Manager. He is a strategiser who empowers his scouts and personnel staff and then takes all that information and makes the right strategic decision. Not saying he can't scout but he came up in the business on the strategy and football ops side, not on the scouting side. That is why he built a staff of career scouts around him. Guys who have done the hard yards driving around college campuses on their way up the ladder. And Beane couldn't lean on that army of personnel people in 2017 because guess what.... Carolina had its Quarterback. They hadn't really been paying special attention to that class.
Which is why once Beane got here they started stacking assets to get one in 2018. They knew they needed one but they didn't want it to be a stab in the dark. They knew you normally only get one shot at it.
Can you really say Whaley is a better scout than Beane though? Stack their 3 drafts as GM next to each other. Also I feel that you attribute the success of their drafts to the team and not to Beane. Seems like you’re throwing out a lot of generalizations here.The bottom line is that it was a crappy situation created by the Pegulas for keeping in place a lame duck GM during a draft when 2 franchise QB’s were on the board when the team selected.
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1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:
Either way it's incompetence.
Either you go with Whaley or you don't and that's a decision you make as soon as you fire the previous coach.... Not after the draft. It cost the Bills an opportunity at two of the best QBs in the league.
I agree it was a bad decision, but I think the Pegulas might have been given advice by one of the former NFL personnel figures they allegedly were informally consulting with (maybe Polian?)There’s an old school philosophy that if you fire a GM, you do it after the start of the scouting season after the draft. It happened to John Dorsey in 2017 as well. The belief is that you A. Don’t throw away a year of scouting d B. don’t risk a disgruntled ex GM sharing your draft strategy with competitors.
This belief does exist. Of course, like I said, the Pegulas also might have wanted to let Doug finish out the year as a personal favor.
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1 hour ago, Bangarang said:
Wasn’t it reported that Whaley loved Watson and wanted to take him?I think of McD wanted one of the QBs available that year then he would’ve taken one. I firmly believe he was the one controlling the draft.
It was reported that Whaley loved Trubisky too. To be fair, you never know what’s legit or what is planted info.
I have a different take on McDermott. As an unproven coach, you usually have 1 shot at taking a QB. Knowing how thorough McDermott is I don’t believe felt confident in the ability to draft a QB himself and he didn’t trust Whaley (rightfully so) Or his staff’s info. Of course, it’s easy to at one hindsight that he should’ve drafted a QB, but I don’t blame him for making a practical decision.
So knowing that Whaley was on the way out, and knowing that he’d be on a transition year with the roster, he decided to punt on the QB situation
42 minutes ago, Bangarang said:
Just looked it up because I wasn’t sure and it was Watsonhttps://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/bills-whaley-in-love-with-qb-deshaun-watson
Regardless, if we are going blame someone for passing on Mahomes or Watson then it would have to be McD.If Allen goes on to be great then it won’t matter and he and BB will be the smartest guys in the world.
also this:47 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:Pretty sure it was Mahomes he loved....McD wasn’t taking a QB there. He was waiting for Beane to arrive.
Pegula reportedly loved Mahomes...for real-
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12 hours ago, ScottLaw said:
I don’t blame McDermott as much as I do Pegula....Whaley should’ve been fired in January, but Pegulas been mostly clueless with the franchises so it’s wasn't surprising.
There’s no doubt about this. Here’s what I wonder though:- Was McDermott given the assurance that Whaley was a lame duck after the draft? I remember at his press conference he said something like “I’m comfortable with Doug Whaley as GM” as though it had been a fed line.
- Did the Pegulas hope things would work out with Whaley, only to be convinced by McDermott that he needed to go?
Then in either of these scenarios, did the Pegulas keep Whaley until after the draft out of respect or because they were scared he’d leak draft info?
Who Were The Leaks at One Bills Drive during 2013-2016?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I don’t get it
Of course, but this says nothing about leaks. To me it’s referring more to the end of Eason fiasco, where they put ALynn in a terrible position to answer questions without preparing. Ditto for Doug Whaley’s end of the year presser which was terrible.