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On 7/24/2018 at 2:24 PM, GunnerBill said:
If the Senior Bowl performance translates great. But I think it is a game you shouldn't read too much into. No blitzing, only 4 man rushes etc.
And if Allen did poorly in that game I am sure you wouldn't use that as ammo against him. Lol. You guys kill me.
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1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
You make no sense. The games Rosen missed but obviously, the game Allen missed doesn’t count. How in the world does that make sense?
Allen only missed the 2nd half of the Air Force game, and then all of the Fresno and San Jose State game. Allen got hurt the 1st game of his sophomore season. And was out for the year. He got a medical redshirt for that year. So you can't count those games against him. I guess it comes down to how many games or plays did Rosen sit out due to injuries. So state how many games you think Rosen sat out? I guarantee you Allen sat out very few plays due to injury. And will also state he is much more durable than Rosen. I would have loved to see Rosen play behind the Wyoming line. He would have quit and joined the tennis team after the first game. For some lame reason you keep trying to infer that Rosen is more durable than Allen. At least that is the only reason I can think of why you would repeatedly post that same statement over and over. I guarantee you Allen is a hard man to bring down. Rosen is more refined as a qb, but Allen is improving daily.
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On 7/2/2018 at 5:30 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:
Allen missed more games in college than Rosen.
Misleading. Allen got hurt in his 1st game and sat out the seson his sophomore year. He only missed 2 and a half games after that. And then came back and played in the bowl game to end his career. Fake news.
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2 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:
Well...then we seem to be in agreement about Allen at least...I am strongly advocating that he sit for now....and I am not disagreeing with what you saw Allen do at Wyoming...it's why I think he should sit...that environment was not one conducive to training a QB up to make reads, throws from the pocket. He has nothing but a history of low completion pct..so I don't know if he'll ever improve.....you'd think there'd be a pattern of progress there as most QB's display in college...but I digress...when you take a ton of reps and most of those reps are running around and trying to find open slow targets...that isn't good prep for the NFL....good prep is what he is getting now and he needs to repeat this and work on it on the practice field and in the classroom. He has the tools that everyone wants..it's why he went in the top 10 of the draft...big arm, big body, athletic, mobile and smart..and by all accounts a good leader...everything you'd want...I'm not telling anyone here anything new...the scouting reports all say the same thing.....if he is ever going to be more than a great prototypical tools guy...he needs quality reps with quality coaching and players around him...his college experience did not provide him that.
You don't seem to have a clue about Allen and why his stats are the way they are. You are guessing about what was good and bad for him at Wyoming. First off he was in a run first offense. They ran on 1st and 2nd down religiously. That usually left him with a 3rd and long situation going against an 8 man front. And then comes the blitz. He didn't have time to throw deep unless he scrambled and extended the play. His OC was predictable, so no flow to the offense. All of this will put him ahead of other qbs because he has seen it all.
People like you read he had a low completion rate, you don't delve into why. Allens HC and OC had Wentz at NDSU, so they leaned on both qbs to manage clock and shorten the game. Let the Defense carry the water behind a running game. You have no clue about his receivers and their routes. The coaching staff didn't build the offense around Allen, they made him adapt to the offense and waited for him to bail them out. I am not going to get too deep into all of this because I have already done it in other posts. All you need to do is watch the 1st quarter of his bowl game, and the 2nd half of the senior bowl. That is vintage Allen. You underestimate him like so many others. He can sit or play, but I think he gives the Bills the best shot at winning if their D is fairly good.
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On 6/10/2018 at 11:08 PM, Zerovotlz said:
GaryPinC is seeing what I am seeing.
BB@Shooter....curious to know your thoughts on Allens development...should he sit? should he play now? What do you think about what you've seen and hear about him so far?
Submitted without further comment.
Zero....I saw Allen in person in 16 games or somewhere like that. And the rest on TV. I have seen every BYU qb come through the last 30 years. I saw both Carr's and Dilfer in person. I saw Dalton and Smith in person. In other words I have seen a lot off qb's in my years. That is just the tip of the iceberg.
I would like to see Allen play, but know that sitting him would be best. He is used to poor line play and below average receivers, so he can probably handle what is thrown at him. I would have loved to see Mahomes try and play at Wyoming, it would have been hysterical. People need to let it go until he is in pads, then you will see the leadership and toughness. The guy knows how to win. He put those Wyoming teams on his back and carried them. Old hat to him.
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22 hours ago, LaDexter said:
Yeah, Marino had a very quick release. The motion also dictates the quickness issue. Byron Leftwich had a huge wind-up - took forever to get rid of the ball.
Cardale has a very fast release. Allen doesn't.
Whatever you are smoking, I want some. Lol.
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28 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
I did go figure. And what's strange is that most of those games when he had Watkins and Woods, 10 or 11 of them, came in the first year when teams hadn't yet figured him out in that offense.
You didn't miss out any hackneyed Taylor-bashing cliches. But you did hit all the hackneyed Taylor-fanboy cliches and made a good start on the Peterman-bashing cliches. Peterman did indeed play pretty poorly. Certainly worse than Tyrod. But at least Peterman was a rookie.
I wish the best for Tyrod. I hope he kicks butt in Cleveland. But I'm glad he's not here anymore.
And yet when Cassel had much that same team he had a Tyrod-esque year.
Sure it's a team game, sure you need players and coaches. But Brady does more with less than anyone else in the league. It's why he's likely going down as the GOAT.
Brady is good, not saying he isn't. Just a few missing pieces makes a huge difference. An easy example is Dallas last year and this year. Very few different pieces, big difference in outcome.
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7 hours ago, LaDexter said:
Big strong armed QBs who were inconsistent in college with reading defenses and decision making
am I wrong about that??
Cardale won the national championship. Allen didn't. I guess that's where the comparison ends...
Allen ran out of a pro style offense. He had to read defenses. He called a lot of plays at the line of scrimmage under center. Do you even know what type of offense Cardale ran? A small hint, Urban Meyers.
7 hours ago, LaDexter said:No question that Aaron Rodgers was a complete bust - sat on the bench for THREE YEARS!!!!
The Big 10 championship vs Wisconsin is a tape full of HOF caliber throws by Cardale. But you don't wanna hear that now....
Indeed, I'll take that tape of Cardale vs. Wisconsin vs any Josh Allen tape...
Cardale mostly ran option. I watched Meyer at all of his stops. Especially Utah,Florida, and Ohio State. They ran a veer at times, but Meyer is definitely a college coach. Ohio State can surround a qb with walk ons, you can't begin to compare the two. I for one was suprised Jones even got drafted. Or did he? Lol.
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4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
Not at all. Yeah, they went 10-5 with Cassel at QB. In a year when they lucked into a very easy schedule. The year after they went 16-0 with Brady.
You guys act like having offensive weapons and a good defense doesn't matter, only the qb does. Football is a team game. I don't see Brady or anyone else throwing and catching the ball for 5,000 yards. They need a team , offensive coordinator, etc, to make it all come together.
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On 6/9/2018 at 3:52 PM, GaryPinC said:
Allen is a better athlete then Mahomes? Not on this planet. Mahomes is far more mobile and accurate off balance then Allen. Allen is a great athlete for being a 6'5" gork, but Mahomes is quicker and more agile. Allen has a slightly stronger arm but Mahomes isn't far behind.
Both QB's get the ball out very quickly but I give the edge to Mahomes because he's more compact.
As far as Mahomes' footwork, a good part of it is unorthodox because he used to be a pitcher and that's the footwork he uses on his long throws. It's not like he doesn't set his feet it's just very unorthodox in this sport.
The thing that separates Mahomes from almost any other quarterback is he processes the game and makes decisions at a very high level. The guy who wrote this article gets it, just check out the videos and explanations if you don't feel like wading through all the prose:
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/1/3/16842168/patrick-mahomes-all-22-vs-the-broncos-buckle-up
That's why the Chiefs had no problem trading Alex Smith, not because of Mahomes' stats or any one play he did or didn't make. He got out there vs a pressure Bronco defense and made good reads and quick decisions.
Are you still drunk, or has the rot gut whiskey begun to shut down your mind?
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1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:
I guess, but I’m not really optimistic...the Bills will really have to beat the odds with him.
What qb doesn't have to beat the odds? Any idea the odds are of a qb coming out of college to make it as a franchise qb? I have a pretty good idea because so many don't make it. First rounder or not.
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11 hours ago, Zebrastripes said:
I really find it hard to believe that the patriots practice much different then anyone else. The CBA limits teams so much anymore that everyone is basically doing the same thing in practice. The reason why the patriots are better than everyyone else is because they have Tom Brady playing the most important position on the field.
Then why is it that their system allows different qbs to step in and excel? It has been that way for years.
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On 6/8/2018 at 4:58 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:
FIFY
Said reports are out there. But if you believe they're not, it might hinder your ability to find them
Example from this week's press access day:
Peterman on fireNathan Peterman took the bulk of the reps with the first-team offense on Thursday and thrived in doing so. He completed 17 of his 21 passes during team drills and looked particularly impressive during the two-minute drill portion of practice. Three of his completions went to Brandon Reilly on Thursday and another three went to Jeremy Kerley. Peterman seemed to be much more decisive with the football than we've seen him in the past.
Example from last week's press access day:
AJ McCarron has been the most consistent QB for the Bills
McCarron is received the majority of the first-team reps for the Bills this week, followed by Nathan Peterman and Josh Allen. (It was Peterman first last week.) He was consistent in the two-minute drill, and though it didn't end up in a touchdown he led the team into the red zone.
First off, don't change my quote to fit what you want to say. It is complete bull. I read the same meaningless crap you read. But I didn't read into it what you did because I don't crawl up a reporters butt and believe any slanted version they are selling.
Now run Peterman and McCarron with the threes and see if their stats will look as good. See if their receivers are making them look good with their experience and talent. In case you didn't know, veterans could help settle Allen down if he needed it. You also don't know from reading the little bit we both read, if they are running check downs or throwing to wide open receivers to get their stats to look good. In fact, from reading these blurbs and not seeing anything in person, you actually know very little, only what the writer wants you to know. So until you can honestly compare all three fairly, you are guessing. And I guarantee Allen will extend plays like Elway did , giving him one more edge to go along with his ability to throw in tight spaces, throw it on a rope to receivers, and throw it over the defense. All the while using his legs to get valuable yards. Allens athleticism will start showing up even more once the pads go on. He has more tools to move the ball down the field than the other two. Just like your words, and opinion, we all have to wait and see. You and all these so called reporters are nothing more than people throwing out their opinions, but you all think people should hang their hat on them. I for one do not. Stats are for sissies. Or can't I say sissies on here? Will this also get moderated off of here?
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11 hours ago, LeGOATski said:
Accuracy issues seem to be rarely fixed and, like others have said, it depends on what they stem from.
It's well-documented in film scouting reports before the draft (Matt Waldman, Voch Lombardi, Cover1, etc.) that Allen has accuracy issues stemming from beyond just lower body mechanics. Sometimes his mechanics are sound and he still just misses. No explanation.
That will not be correctable.
How much of that gap he can bridge is yet to be determined.
Fingers crossed.
And what about when his mechanics are bad and he is perfectly on? Or when they are good and he is on? You make it sounds like he hits the bench with every other throw. Why not wait to see him throw the ball and use that? Or does that make too much sense? To actually see if he is better than what your mind has conjured up? Instead of taking information you selectively used to push your agenda? Their are professionals out there that are saying he will be very good, or has a chance at it.
I watched Lombardi break down Allens film. Is the guy on downers or something? That was hard to get through. Why did you leave out the good stuff Lombardi had to say? Oh right, it didn't fit your agenda. Funny how that works. I don't recall watching Walkman break down Allen, I will have to look for that. Why can't you guys wait to see Allen in person? You are only taking the information ou there that is negative and using it. Poor way of doing it, especially when he is a Bill. Wouldn't it be better if he suprised you and made the Bills better?
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2 hours ago, gjv001 said:
Allen is doing just fine.
Exactly. How come we get no detailed report on any of the other qbs? Hmmmm....... I see Allen as doing what is expected, more or less. And then I see a bunch of guys with too much time on their hands who act like they are part of the staff throwing out opinions on how he looks. None of the guys cutting on him have ever seen him throw a pass in person, little alone in camp. But they are all wannabe experts. Self anointed know it alls. Makes me giggle reading them puff up and throw out their "professional " opinions. Most laughable. These types just need to practice what they preach, give themselves time to actually watch him themselves, and then give out an opinion. But you can't fix stupid. Not that I am calling anyone in particularly stupid, maybe their thoughts though.
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18 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:
Well since you want to keep digging that hole...
Hapless never said Mayfield was working exclusively with the third string when he replied to you. He just pointed out that Baker was working with the 3s as well (not exclusively, as Allen is).
You shout "wrong again" and say he's been working with all 3 units. Well that includes the third stringers, right? So how was our illustrious mod wrong exactly?
Also - what is your definition of irony?
Yip yip yip, little doggie.?
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6 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:
Lol you sure put me in my place there dummy.
But tell us, why did you use mute “on purpose” instead of moot?
Because of the irony , "dummy". Are you one of those kick me dogs that follow a guy around from post to post? Yip yip yippying away ? What a tool. I am sure you will keep impressing with that marvelous wit you think you have, but don't. All I hear is you going yip yip yip yip yip yip yip..........
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2 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:
Lol give up the crusade man jesus.
the point is MOOT, by the way, not mute.
Mute is exactly what I put in there on purpose Joker. Get a life dude. Did that hit a little too close to home for you? Nice try on trying to be an English major. A role losers have to fulfill when they can't come up with better. Anyone who reads your posts can see how negative you are in 90% of them. Again, get a life.
2 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:I can get all that for sure. Like I said I am not a fan of Rodak being the ESPN beat for the Bills by any stretch.
I’m conflating things because there’s been so much other trash about the Sully/Bucky buyouts, along with other people (not you) in this thread talking about ousting this guy too. Not ideal that a known Pats fan is the beat for the Bills though for sure. It’s always going to skew and undermine any criticism he ever writes about the Bills.
You sure do turn tail quickly. A lovely trait by the way. Toodles, and don't stay up all night on here, we want you to be fresh and ready when the Bills call you up to coach the qbs. Lmfao.
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3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I believe Mayfield has also been taking snaps with the 3rd string, although that was not captured in the OP article....
" Via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Browns haven’t made Mayfield available for interviews during their two open OTAs, and he’s still working with the third string, behind Tyrod Taylor and Drew Stanton. "Depth charts are pretty well known to not be very meaningful until well into training camp, and all rookies are "up and down".
I don't "get" what the big concern is.
Wrong again, he has been working with all three units. And you can't compare just because you say you can. It is your opinion, nothing else. Going with the threes all the time will never let you compare them fairly one way or another. If the Bills other two qbs never run with the threes then you don't know if they would look better or worse than Allen. Until then your point is mute.
And I was replying to everything above. Not pointed at one individual. I initially read it as one thread and posted, realizing it after I posted. So hopefully no one gets their titties twisted over it like so many do on this board. Not enough facts on here, too many people reading way too much into most everything. And then I get drawn into it and start acting like some of the other posters on here that have no life. I would rather go back to posting things I believe are pertinent. I made a mistake and started this thread, baptism by fire I guess. I forgot how many on here want to dissect the living crap out of everything and anything on here. Too many hostile people who don't have a life want to suck the life out of new blood on here, talking Allen on here. Kind of odd no one goes after McCarron on here. I suppose once they get tired of Allen they will.
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4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Puzzling because the media isn't on his ass or shooting off their mouths based on OTA performances. They are simply reporting on what they have seen without prejudice based on the same things being written about him from eyewitnesses that have been consistent. Not a big deal at this stage of the proceedings.
Are you frigging serious? You are already spouting off things saying Allen has all these different problems to fix. Are you going off of jr. high, high school, Jr college, his two years at Wyoming, his Senior Bowl, his combine, his rookie camp, or the OTA's? What I don't get is why isn't he being judged by what he has done in rookie camp and OTA's, why do you bring up before that? Maybe because then you couldn't dig up enough dirt to cause a stir on here?
They are practicing in shorts for beginners. He is playing with the 3rd string by design, so you can't compare him to anyone else. There is not a big enough sample size to go off of. Why not save your agenda until they are all going live in pads with the offense put in? You come on here throwing crap against the wall to see who will buy it. You didn't want them to draft Allen but it is too bad, sh#t happens. So sit back, grind your teeth some more and pray Allen gets hurt I guess. He will be starting before the season is up. Barring injury I guarantee it. And like I said, judge him by how he competes as a Bill. At this point he has done just fine as far as I am concerned. If the people you listen to say different, I would quit listening to them or you will get a rude awakening when he is running with the first team. So start getting used to Allen being the man.
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1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:
I take no stock in anything Rodent says
But even then
Darnold keeps fumbling snaps at practice....this has been reported
Mayfield threw THREE interceptions his first practice.....this has been reported
Yet Allen is having worse workouts for some reason. Not flat out being said, but certainly implied in my opinion. And people keep bringing up Allen running the 3rd team. So he should do better because he is working with new guys who won't make him look better or know their routes better? Yes he is going against lesser competition, but he is also competing with lesser competition. So you can't compare him to other qbs. In Rookie camp he didn't even get to take the first snaps. A free agent did. The Bills are making sure that Allen and everyone else knows he has to earn his way up. But the camp against Allen doesn't bring any of this into the equation. I will be the 1st person to say I am biased. But all these posters who aren't in Allens corner will use every bit of ammo to further their agenda. That is a fact. I love how they always put an asterisk in saying how they want him to do well. Then post any hint they can that he is going to be a flop. That is a true Bill fan for you. Fans like that, who needs trolls. How come none of the media are bring up as little as possible about the other two qbs on the team? I think we would hear if they were blowing everyone out of the water. You guys act like Sal is a god, it makes me laugh. Media people are not real high on my list. They get street cred by trying to make people look bad, or take quotes out of context on purose to make a story swing their way. Not a fan whether it is good or bad about my guy. I just want the real story. I don't need someone to pump up a player or team, just report the facts. Something the media knows little about.
2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:This is puzzling. How exactly is this the case?
I love it that they drafted Allen. It is like McDermott crapped in a lot of guys Wheaties that day. A little advice for you boys and girls, get used to it because Allen will be the man regardless of your stats and the media stirring the pot. I am eating it up.
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9 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:
Are you under the impression that the media is supposed to adopt a cheerleader role when it comes to reporting on athletes and/or teams?
That's what fans do, not the media.
I ask because it is obvious that many at this board seem to think this way.
No, but not be biased against the team either. And maybe try and come up with some original reporting instead of repeating each other over and over. The media in general are lazy, . They don't care if their story is correct, and mostly care about who they can get to click on their site so theey can get more readership and picked up by bigger media outlets. Too often they only care about being first, not about content or if it is accurate. It used to be the media didn't report the "news" until they had their sources verified. Nowadays sources could be someone walking by in a Bills cap.
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4 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
I read the article on ESPN before I ever saw your post, just went back and read it again to see was I missing something. My initial reaction before I ever saw your post was, boy if I were Cleveland I'd be worried about Mayfield big time. I didn't see anything wrong with what was written that it had a negative slant. He was inaccurate on his first pass then threw a bad Int, then marched the team down the field and threw a nice fade pass for a TD. And you feels that's overly negative. WOW!! Think you need help!
Have you been to all the OTA's? How do you know he hasn't thrown half his passes into the dirt? I'm not in any way against Allen, hope he does great and don't in any way knock the Bills for drafting him, infact of everyone they could have picked, the only one I may have picked ahead of him was Darnold. But if an article likes this makes you this defensive of the guy, think you need a new hobby.
I probably used a poor example , but all the stories of his inaccuracy has been building up. Saying I need help is a stretch, maybe you should join the media in Buffalo.? One more poster overreacting. And I know he doesn't throw half of his passes in the dirt or the media would say it was every pass in the dirt but one. Plus I read everything that gets pUT out there and they have been giving his completion numbers in some of the articles. Try and find many articles where the media doesn't bring up inaccuracies. Especially if the article is more than a short tweet or blurb.
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Just now, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:
we lost our right to be outraged by having the longest playoff drought in the NFL. When we start winning playoff games again we can be outraged by negative publicity.
BTW I think we start wining playoff games soon.
I don't feel it is the fans fault for losing respect for their team, but when you get new owners and management in I feel they deserve a chance. I understand why it would be hard. I have been watching some of the most negative posters on here and they mostly just come on here to argue about anything and everything. Some actually have a point from time to time, but far and few between.
I am definitely an Allen fan and have tried to reasonably show why I feel he will be better than average. And now I see why a lot of the negative posters try and find anything to further their agenda. The article I mentioned was one of the milder ones out there. But I think the Buffalo media doesn't mention inaccuracy in a post, that they will lose half their audience. I don't see where Allen has been any worse than any of the other top 5 taken. But reading the different takes you would think he throws half of his passes in the dirt. There are a lot of people going to be eating crow when Allen gets done. And I am not talking about the pro Allen crowd. And it will take a few more years to finish the rebuild, but I feel the Bills staff is doing it correctly by putting out a good defense first. It just hardly ever works by trying to build the offense and defense equally at the same time. So whoever quarterbacks the Bills this year is going to struggle regardless.
[Vague Title] It continues... Josh Allen...
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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There are a lot of things that don't indicate a future NFL career, but you guys bring them up all the time. I see some of the stupidest arguments on here. I watched Allen play in person at least 16 times, I think I have a pretty good feel for what he can and can't do. Having talent around him at the Senior Bowl helped his confidence. The guy is more accurate than you guys give him credit for. Watching him on TV does not show what he really faced. You need to see it live to understand.