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On 9/18/2018 at 9:13 AM, MAJBobby said:
And Holmes, Zay, Foster, Benjamin do what again?
Gentry can at least catch a ball. More than I can say for a lot of the Bills receivers.
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9 hours ago, Warcodered said:
That's a throw where they really have to be completely in sync I'm not really sure who to blame there. I think that play is just going to take more repetition for them to be more consistent.
I agree with this. I guess it depends on what the receivers coach is preaching . And Allen could have put a little more air under it or a little less distance. But overall the hope is to one day have the timing down. And if they do.... watch out. Good catch Hapless. I wouldn't have put that much thought into it or broke it down. Now I am curious as to what the receiver coach thinks about it.
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6 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:
I'm getting the sense for what kind of poster you are, and it's one that pretty much argues within your own head. There hasn't been anywhere where I've contested this team's lack of talent on the offensive end from the O-line to the skill players, in fact I've had way more arguments about how much work there is to do on that end and my concerns for how little this regime has been able to accrue there around Allen after 2 offseasons. It's also why I'm not and have not at all at any time this year been fixated on what Allen's stats look like, because he doesn't have a real offense around him and this is really just about his development right now.
I do think there's a possible issue with accuracy but even there I've given him a break because of what he's working with. And who cares what the bottom two thirds of the QB's in the league are doing? Isn't the measuring stick for Allen ultimately going to be that top third? And before you argue against yourself, no I'm not saying Allen should be there already. The entire time I've talked about wanting to see more and how right now I'm just looking for progression. That's the whole point, it's you who's creating this scenario where I"m ripping on Allen for how "horrible" he is. And yes, saying his ball placement is on par with the bottom 2/3 of the league is vague, and doesn't really mean anything.
And again, you are fixated on this whole thing about flipping on players for a message board agenda. i don't have one. I don't need an "out". I'm watching Allen as I go without any preconceived notions because as I said, I didn't watch him for a second at Wyoming. And for someone who self-proclaims he doesn't need to read opinions from wannabe GM's...you certainly seem to care a lot about what's said. I played football in college myself, but I don't see how that's relevant. That was a way for you to try to pump yourself up as if it means your opinion here matters more. It doesn't. And it doesn't make you a better fan, thinking that way about yourself and by proxy the other people here just makes you the worst kind. I doubt your wife doesn't let you talk sports because she doesn't like them...it's probably because of the pompous way it comes out of your mouth.
I like to get the ire of a loser who continually tries to bull#### his way around an argument. And that sums up your rhetoric. I highly doubt you played college ball, but good try. You come off as a squirly nerd who hasn't played the game, that tries to weasle around posts. Pompous little feller aren't you?
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22 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Haha. I do have a journalism background and a politics one so if I need to ride the fence believe me I know how to ride it. But I am committed on Josh - I said I wouldn't have drafted him. That said I always evaluate players continuously based on what they do on the football field. I'm not the kind of fool who takes an opinion and sticks to it whatever happens thereafter. If Josh Allen ends up as the Franchise QB of the Bills there is plenty of scope for people to tell me "I told you so" not that I'll care. I don't really give two hoots about being right or wrong. My only concern is the Bills winning football games.
Even as someone who was one of the stronger anti-Allen voices pre-draft I think those who have read my posts since then would say I have always tried to be fair and reasoned. I thought he was very good last week and said so. I thought he had a really difficult game to evaluate this week because he did a lot in the passing game that was pretty bad but he also made some incredible plays - the second TD throw to Jones is one of the best throws I have seen a Bills QB make in a decade. And they couldn't stop his legs and he had us right there and gave us a chance to win at the end - and with better talent around him would likely have had a W to show for it. If you want me to be black and white on what happened yesterday I can't be because it was a really odd mix of a game.
Oh I totally agree Doc... with what is around Allen there was no chance we would know anything one way or the other this year. The talent around him sucks. I have been banging that drum all year.
I knew you had journalism in you. Lol. I didn't read the politician part in. The journalist part of you was kind of a smokescreen hiding it. I am pretty good at reading people, but tend to be in attack mode on these sites because people have a tendency to twist your words. Kind of like politics.? I will enjoy your threads even more now. Thanks for opening up . With my Wyoming ties, I am an Allen fan big time. But don't get me wrong, I am hard on him internally. It is just so many others were bashing him, I wasn't going to give them ammunition. Lol.
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20 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:
What I posted was the exact opposite of pigeon-holing Allen into anything, I think I mentioned like 3 different times in that one post that it's hard to say what he's going to become. I've also lauded his escapability and talked about how he's made plays in spite of the o-line, lack of weapons, and conservative coaching. I created a thread about McDermott butchering the end of the first half that basically wasted an entire possession for him. To say "nothing he is doing can't be fixed" is incredibly vague. Can accuracy substantially improve? Absolutely, but it doesn't for way more QB's than it does. I do think for him it can enough to where with his other playmaking abilities he can be a franchise QB, but I need to see more.
The rest of your post, and at least a couple of your responses to other people here are so fixated on message board agenda paranoia. I understand a lot of people have one, but that's not everyone. I'm not trying at all to "ride the fence" on Allen, I've pretty much said since the beginning that I don't know if he's a franchise QB and that I simply wanted to watch him play. I didn't watch one second of him at Wyoming. Frankly, unless anyone works for a team or went to Wyoming and is a fan...I would be kind of concerned about people who did spend their free time watching Wyoming games. My honest take is that there are things that I like about him, more than any QB we've had since I first became a fan which was during the Flutie years, but I need to see how much his accuracy and anticipation progresses. I don't think I've written anywhere at any time that I'm trying to impart some kind of great knowledge. I don't see any from you either with generic comments like "nothing he is doing can't be fixed". I don't rewatch games or look at all-22's or breakdowns, let alone for other QB's or teams. I've never posted an "I told you so" about Allen here after pretty much being neutral on him.
There are other things about the team I'm more strongly rooted in my opinion about, like McDermott's shortcomings as a gameday coach. I can and will back that up all day against anyone with examples and factual evidence. I don't pretend I have that with Allen on the broader scale of calling him a franchise QB, I don't think we've seen enough. I don't really get why people have to choose a side with him at this point. But you go ahead with your little fishing expedition to "catch" people who you think are changing opinions. On a rookie QB. Who's played like 7 games. Totally out of line for anyone to not have a definitive statement on him already.
For beginners I don't think he has accuracy problems. That is a myth that the media and casual observers chant. Do you actually watch other qbs who only have three years or less playing time? They are inconsistent at best. There are a few like Mahomes who were put in the right system with the right players who are strutting their stuff. As far as receivers getting better seperation, I suppose that is a little bit better from time to time, but even McDermott said yesterday that Allen is still having to put up with his receivers not getting seperation. For one, the receivers we are bringing in are players who have been cut from other teams or couldn't even beat out our own crappy receivers at the start of the year. Saying that, so what makes you think these receivers are anywhere near what other teams use to make their qbs preform better ? What does that say about their route running? Their understanding of our offense and the timing they have built up with Allen?
Sometimes it takes years for QB's to get on the same page as their receivers. Even Brady struggled with new receivers earlier this year and the media flocked to his defense. And he is a guy who has been in the same system forever, is considered to be the greatest ever, throws quick passes that don't take long to develop, and has a better line and talent all around him. He also has an OC that knows him, that keeps him one step ahead of defenses most all times , and they have worked together forever. But anytime the Patriots miss one lineman or one leaves for free agency, the media makes like it is the end of the dynasty. Do you think Josh Allen gets that kind of support from the media? That they justify a few bad passes and don't scream accuracy problems every time he throws a ball that doesn't hit a receiver in the chest? Why you and others are fixated on saying he has accuracy problems is lost on me.
When you watch the other two thirds of football games with teams who don't have qbs named Brady, Brees, Rivers, etc, you see guys who would be considered to have accuracy problems if you watched tape along side with Josh Allen. There is no difference between them and Allen as far as ball placement. The main difference if it really matters that much is Allen will have two or three that are not even close. And that right there is when people like you jump on it. But if another qb does it. It is overlooked as being a rookie , or a miscommunication. I could go on all day and address every one of your "opinions ". But this thread would be way longer than it already is. And when you accuse me of being incredibly vague, I really have to laugh. One thing I am not is incredibly vague.
A few last things, I am not and don't have to be on a fishing expedition to catch anyone who is flipping on their opinion about Allen. They stand out on their own easily enough. It wouldn't be hard to go back to some of the posts they ranted on about Allen and how horrible he was. They didn't bother to give themselves an out like you do. So in effect, I don't have to catch anyone as I remember it quite clearly. Some of us have stayed the course and understood he is a rookie on a bad team. After one game everyone was saying the Bills might win 1 game all year. That is how bad the talent on the Bills is. I think if our veterans and veterans of other teams brag on Allen , it validates it enough in my mind that I don't feel the need to read "opinions" from wannabe GM's. This is basically a fan site that serves as a sounding board for a lot of guys who might have played jr. high football. Most are not even to the Al Bundy level of high school football. I can at least say I played at a level above high school. And I have no real problem with guys hashing out football, that is what this site is for. Freedom of the press baby. But I will defend my opinion, just like what you do. After all, that is the fun part. My wife is the boss, so I don't get to talk sports as much as I like. Thus, the use of this board. Sorry this got so long. Vague my butt. Lol.?
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31 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
The two QB before Allen under Coach Bohl were
-Kirkegaard, who had a completion percentage of 57.4% on 359 attempts
-Coffman, who had a completion percentage of 63.1% on 241 attempts
-then Allen 2016, 56% on 373 attempts
1. do you really want to make a case that 57.4% is significantly higher than 56%?
2. when I look at a QB with >100 fewer attempts, higher completion percentage, and possibly similar personnel, I tend to say "gee, maybe he was taking fewer shots".
You?
Kirkegaard was an option qb. Coffman was a transfer from I do believe Illinois. Neither one had a very good skillset. Plus the line play was pretty bad. They had decent running backs, and the receivers were barely adequate and young. The season Allen took over for Coffman and got hurt, he was special right away. You could tell on his first drive. Unfortunately Wyoming is a lot like Buffalo, not much good happens to us, thus the injury. But some goof did come from it, Allen bulked up in the weight room and added needed weight.
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45 minutes ago, PearlHowardman said:
What?
A thread that doesn't bring up Josh Allen's pass accuracy problem? You know, the problem that good defenses (not the Jets or Dolphins) will be happy to take advantage of?
Most everyone else here has mentioned Josh Allen's pass accuracy problem.
Yeah. The Titans, Vikings, and Jags took him to the woodshed. Add Houston to that one also, they needed an illegal hit to get the job done. Did you say you were a Bills fan or just a troll? I have never heard you declare either yet. As another poster said, at least you are consistent. Wrong, but consistent.
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14 hours ago, Steptide said:
Because we've been dow this road before. Losman, Edwards, Fitz. All had flashes of greatness. Like I said Allen needs to improve in certain areas, and if he can do that, then yes I believe he will be fantastic and this team will be competing for a superbowl. That's a big if
You are really going out on a limb there. Craziness I tell you. Stating the obvious, and then circling back. It is ok to have an opinion. You won't get jail time for it. At least I don't think you will.
2 hours ago, PeterDude said:That's probably the best hope, Cam 2.0. Thing is, how many SB's is that?
Look around the league and ask that about almost any qb but Brady.
13 hours ago, PeterDude said:If it wasn't for his running, he'd be a pretty meh QB. Unfortunately, the running aspect of his game will be the first thing to fade in terms of skills or possibly injury.
Uh, okay.
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1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:
If TEs interest you I would keep an eye on Jace Sternberger of Texas A&M.
He was a JUCO transfer which is hard for me to understand because he is big, strong, and is pretty quick.
11 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:Yeah, I have been a big fan of Jonah for many years. He has great technique and fast feet.
Imo, he has a pretty decent floor, which I would deem to be Andy Levitre. Remember, Levitre was also LT in college and like Jonah, did not have great size. There are many here who will disagree but imho Levitre, when fully healthy; was one of the best guards we ever had. He wasn't a bruiser but he was especially gifted at and geared toward pass protection. This is what the game calls for in these times and what I can also see in Jonah. I look forward to his combine workouts, especially on the bench.
I watched Who I am guessing is Sternberger in that 7 OT game with LSU. He is a stud. I am thinking 1st rounder after that game. Talk about the prototypical body for the NFL. I am saying that just based on that game, I meant to look up his stats. Grades is probably why he was a Juco. A non qualifier.
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7 hours ago, Success said:
I wish I could remember...it was awhile ago. He really broke it all down. It eased a lot of my fears about accuracy, and also emphasized how important context is.
It’s late and I’m beat, but I’ll see if I can find it tomorrow. I really knew zilch about Allen in college, but I love how he’s playing for us so far. Obviously he has a ways to go, but he has intangibles you can’t teach. He has that competitive fire that you want in your QB.
He is fun, but very raw. I like that he is a sponge, gobbling up all the info fed him. One small example is how he made himself slide feet first this last game and go out of bounds. A quick turnaround from a short week ago.
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5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Lamar Jackson is a fad - yes. Unless he improves as a passer he will not succeed in the NFL. One of the improvements in DeShaun Watson year 1 to year 2 is his play from the pocket and the numbers bear it out. He is throwing from there more often and more successfully than he did last year. While KC do get Mahomes out and on the edge some he can stand in there and throw.
Josh is doing some good things - but ultimately I believe he or any other QB in the league who wants to have long term sustained success will need to do it from the pocket.
I guess that is your opinion, and no problem with that. But I feel with the pressure to win coaches aren't going to protect their QB's as much as they used to. Why should they, if they don't produce they will be gone anyway. I think the scales are tipping the other way. And Watson is staying in the pocket more because he is hurt. And playing is better than watching. No, I believe at some point the old guard is going to be split and the new trend will set in. Like I said before, they are adopting college offenses because they work. There are certain teams that are hard to stop. If you can't see that Allen is a special player that got limited coaching up to this point, I don't know if you will ever get it. Riding the fence is very clever. This way you can say you had it figured whatever way it swings and you can keep on being the voice of reason while not committing. A very safe way to go about it. That way if either side attacks you , you then can go on record saying you never said that. I smell a guy that might have a journalism background. Or at least been around it enough. Kudos.
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14 minutes ago, Success said:
There was a great article online from an ex coach who watched Allen his whole college career. Allen’s college accuracy had a lot to do with the offense they ran, at least in his opinion. They didn’t have the kind of athleticism and blocking that you need for screens and the short pass game, so they leaned a lot in Allen’s big arm and the long game.
I don’t see this wild inaccuracy that many point to. He was 18-33 after a 1-6 start, and I practically lost track of the drops. Both of his final passes should have been catches, and he had another that was a Hail Mary. The Foster bomb was a thing if beauty that was just a foot too long.
Did you watch the game tonight? Both Rivers and Ben had their share of wild ones. Every QB does, but Allen’s are more scrutinized because they reinforce a fear that fans here had on draft day, based mainly in scouting reports.
Success, I lived it. I wished they would have built a part of the offense around Allen. But they tried to fit a square peg in a round hole. Didn't even try to adjust to his arm talent. It is amazing scouts stayed with him. But they saw what was happening I guess. I wished I could have seen that article. Who was the coach? Thanks.
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6 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said:
Why did the two QB under Coach Bohl, who were before Allen have signifigantly higher completion pcts?
They had a better line and better team and played in a division lower. They also had won 3 national championships in a row. I don't feel Bohl and his coaches had much to do with Wentz and his development. I do believe he was a freshman when they came to Wyoming. Maybe a sophomore. And Allen was a natural, and they couldn't even teach him proper footwork. Allen is a very quick study. I do believe he was at the Manning academy twice. I do believe you have to be invited to it. Watch his second stint in the Senior Bowl. He made every pass asked of him. I hate the Wyoming OC, he had Allen handing off his last year because all of his receivers graduated. You don't ask a top ten qb pick to hand the ball off when he has an arm like that. It was sickening to watch. But they get the credit for Wentz and Allen. Look at Wyomings offensive stats the 5 years they have been at Wyoming. They are near the bottom of FBS stats because they run the ball on 1st and 2nd down regardless. No *****.
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18 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said:
I agree....it has happend...it can happen...but it isn't typical...it isn't usual...the numbers were all over the place at draft time about college QB who had poor accuracy in college almost never improved much or at all in the pros. From what I have seen...and what I have read...Allen is every bit the guy the scouting reports said...and he has a LONG way to go to be consistanly accurate. ...that doesn't mean I am saying he sucks...it doesn't mean I am saying he isn't worth developing....quite the opposite...I'm just saying that improving accuracy is HARD TO DO and that it doesn't just happen because over time the switch just goes on....we'll know when he strings 4 games or better of 60% plus if he's getting there or not.
You still don't get it. Allen doesn't get to build his percentage up with screens, checking down and hitting sideline passes and easy plays like that. With his arm strength he ends up rolling out from design or pressure, and hitting receivers farther downfield. It is more risk, but higher reward. So not a typical offense. Same hoes for at Wyoming. Bohl coached teams run clock, take shots downfield after the run game gets going. But if the run game is bad, so is the pass game. Allen carried Wyoming in his two years there. I never missed any home games or close road games. So I have a better look than anyone who writes about him.
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16 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said:
I absolutely do! I agree....very very very RAW....he's supposed to take time. You guys are all arguing at me like I am telling you it can't happen. I HOPE IT DOES! .....I am pointing out that a good many of you folks here speak about Allens accuracy issue like it will just get better as time passes...as he has more reps...if his supporting cast is better...ETC ETC.....when I bring up Tebow...I do so to demonstrate that everything they ever tried to fix his accuracy never worked...he got reps, he got coaching, he had a good supporting cast and a good defense....I am rooting for Allen to do it....I think the task at hand is DIFFICULT. Improving accuracy is hard...and big improvements from college to pros are not typical. My gripe, my point is that MANY posters kind of just write it off like it's bound to be better as he gets more reps, time passes, etc....it is not inevitable...it will be Allen overcoming the the odds, and beating back conventional wisdom IF he gets better......A lot of rookie QB's come in and struggle...but a good many of them had demonstrated accuracy in College....Baker Mayfiled had a horrible day today...he was a 71% thrower in college...it is reasonable to expect he;ll be accurate in the pros....he has demonstrated accuracy over a long period of time...it is reasonable to expect he will develop into an accurate NFL QB (that doesn't mean he will, but he's shown accuracy and shown that he has progressed in being more accurate as time passed)
Go look at some of my posts about Allen. I am from Wyoming and have explained why his numbers weren't great at Wyoming. It isn't accuracy issues. He had a worse supporting cast than he does now, they were a running team, and his OC put him in a lot of 3rd and long situations. You need to research more. And not take the lazy way out and listen to others who didn't research.
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13 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:
Tyrod was a part of the Bill's eliminating a 18 year playoff drought, no matter how much YOU may despise him, he got the job done that no one else before him could, all the way back to the kelly days almost. You are obviously a die hard Bill's fan, that hates everyone on the team before. I get it, but I'm not joining the hate train
No, I am a Josh Allen fan. I live in Laramie Wyoming and used to be a Raiders fan for 40 years. I was just busting your chops. I have only read about Tyrod. But I like most Bills fans. Especially Bills Mafia. They are a lot like Wyoming fans, not a lot to cheer about. So I am now a Bills fan. I don't jump teams, I am just tired of the Raiders antics. Plus I like underdogs, so it is a good fit.
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8 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:
Tyrod had low stats, but won most the time due to his conservative nature and turnover ratio, he also hit some big passes from time to time. Josh is showing great signs and although we lost, I cant help but to think what he could do with a NFL caliber Oline and receivers, he dont have that
If Tyrod won most of the time then why weren't they in the playoffs every year? And why did he get benched in the year they did luck into the playoffs. Tyrod was not a good QB. He couldn't even stay starting in Cleveland. Who has a lot more talent than the Bills.
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7 hours ago, Bangarang said:
Bills fans: Yards don’t matter, wins do
Also Bills fans: Yeah we lost but look at the amount of yards he had!
And when we win Bills fans say that Allen didn't have many yards. And that he threw the ball too hard. And that he didn't look downfield. And........
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5 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:
He is never going to be the 65% guy but you don't have to be in the league today. He is a rare talent and his ability out of the pocket is about as good as it gets. Defenses will have to account for that ability and it will open up the field for him when he is in the pocket. He is going to make enough big plays with both his arms and feet to be a force in this league. When you consider what he has around him especially a poor, poor offensive line, he is playing at a very high level already.
People are evaluating him like he is playing in his 3rd year when he has started 7 games. He is far right now from where his ceiling will end up. An off-season where the Bills add capable offensive lineman, 2 or 3 more weapons at WR/TE, and where the coaches can really work with him and develop the offense around his skills and you will see, everyone will see.
The microscope on him because of his pre-draft accuracy concerns are skewing peoples judgment on him. He is never going to be the most accurate but there are a lot of accurate, great QB's that make some very inaccurate passes. The difference is when Allen does it, people are falling over themselves to say "see, I told you he isn't accurate." I think it is sad that some are letting their Bills pessimism because of what we have all endured in the past as fans is getting in the way of seeing what could be a very special player at the QB position for the Bills for years to come. Allen is a baller and he is going to win a lot of games in the NFL.
Great post KGunn. It amazes me how a lot of so called Bills fans want to see him fail. Have none of them watched the other rookies? Just like today on his own goal line. It was 3rd down and he nails a pass for a 1st down. And he has run for them in that situation. It seems when it is the bleakest is when he is at his best.
I wished he could call his own plays. At Wyoming he was handcuffed by his OC and the system. Anytime Wyoming got a lead they would sit on it and run the ball. Then when it was third down and long, they would turn to Josh to bail out the OC. The other team knew we were going to run on 1st and 2nd down. So they would stack the line. Then it was 3rd and long and the other team was bringing the blitz against a mostly freshman and sophomore offensive line. And when Allen did pass the ball, his receivers would make the Bills receivers look all pro. And people questioned why his stats were so bad. Plus he was always pushed out of the pocket by the pass rush, so what he sees now is no different but bigger and faster players after him. Hopefully one of these days he will have a supporting cast and then watch out. I have seen him pick apart teams like Central Michigan on the bowl game last year. And then his OC makes him start handing the ball off and run clock the whole 2nd half. Talk about boring. So Allen really didn't get to run snd gun with the ball that often. I would have loved to have seen him in an offense like Mahomes and Mayfield were in. He would have gone #1 for sure. But Cleveland sucks, so I am glad it is the Bills who got him.
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4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Yea I think most of the game his passing was a little off. Yes he had some drops - including a couple of big ones but whether it was timing or fundamentals there were plenty of inaccurate balls.
I am not saying he was all bad today - he most certainly was not - but it was unconventional QB'ing.... and an odd one to try and analyse as a result.
So offenses are changing left and right. They are now trying to fit their offense in around a qbs talent and running college type offenses. But you are saying they are all wrong to do that. That Houston, Baltimore, the Rams, and other teams that are going away from drop back passing are wrong? If they are so wrong why are so many teams leaning that way? It started with the Wildcat offense and evolved from there. So you are thinking this is just a fad? They sure are investing a lot of money into a fad. And that fad is sure turning into a lot of wins. So it is not just Buffalo going that route. Even though Buffalo is doing it mostly out of need because of poor line play. But times are a changing, so best learn how to analyze a different way I guess.
A long time ago I heard Bud Wilkinson wanted to bring in a bunch of college QB's that ran the option. His thinking was teams wouldn't see it much so they would have a hard time preparing for it and stopping it. Much like Navy, AFA, Army, and other schools that have recruiting problems because of admission requirements . They have to change things up and run option type offenses because of inferior players. Teams don't see that type of offense but once a year usually. Anyway it gives them an edge so they can compete.
Wilkinson knew his QBs would take a beating, so he would have to carry 4 to 5 QBs. I don't remember why it was never done for sure, probably because it wasn't conventional. But isn't the end game about wins? The announcers talked about what Beane said to them. It was basically that their offense was looking like Wyomings did when Allen played there. Wyoming didn't have much in personell to help Allen out, so they let Josh take over and carry the team. Allen learned how to squeak out wins playing like this. I really am not so sure why you are so hung up on pocket passers and conventional things like that. Look at how many times Mahomes, Watson. Jackson and others throw the ball outside the locket. The pocket used to be the golden standard for a qb. Things are changing. Back in Wilkinsons day there is no way he gets to run the option. Now teams are incorporating the veer, wishbone , and all sorts of things into their offense. These new guys are not stuck in a time machine. Their coaches are adapting to the player and fitting cogs into the machine that work well with what the QB can do. And like Baltimore, they have two guys that can run what they want to do in the future with Jackson and RG3. You will start to see more of that because teams are figuring out that they can win with a high powered offense. I still think a good defense is needed to win it all, but that is another discussion.
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3 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:
Totally agree. I’m still not totally sure where I sit with Allen other than he’s fun to watch and I love his competitiveness and playmaking ability.
But ultimately you’re right, it’s the best pocket passers that ultimately usually win it all. The really bad misses he has are disconcerting because those have nothing to do with weapons...no matter who it is, if they’re that open, you have to have a QB that can hit them. And then there are definitely plays that could go differently if we had a better o-line and better weapons.
The other thing that’s going to happen is teams are going to start making more of an effort to contain him in the pocket, even at the expense of rushing him, because sometimes he really is just better off making something happen on a broken play.
At least right now we can say it’ll be fun to watch...and I like the guy...but it’s really tough to say what he’s ultimately going to be.
Probably better give him a little more time before you pigeon hole him into whatever category you are leaning now. He is a raw rookie who keeps improving quickly . Are you guys not watching what the other rookie QBs are doing? Why the rush to even start questioning him. That was his seventh game. And he is making throws out of the pocket. He could probably make more but his line breaks down too fast. Do you not see how many tackles he breaks and how many sacks he gets out of? Are you guys so blind you can't see what he is bringing to the table? Allen started slow today. I have seen that tendency in him at Wyoming. But when he is on, he is almost unstoppable.
Do you think Shady and the other veterans would share your thinking? They are in the trenches with him and know what good QBs look like. I think if they posted on here they would laugh at you and roast you. Before it is all said and done there will be GM's wondering why they didn't pull the trigger. And it will be because they worried too much about stats and couldn't see past it like you guys. There is nothing he is doing that can't be fixed. I think you guys are trying to overthink it so you can tell everyone you had it right all along. I catch posters on this board who have flipped over towards Allen and only a few weeks ago they said he would be a journeyman qb at best. Now they are singing his praises and thinking no one remembers what they said about him.
If Allen stays healthy he is a franchise qb. If you can't see that I guess you can sit back and try to pick him apart and act like some kind of QB whisperer. I don't see any great knowledge coming from you. Just someone riding the fence waiting to see which way the wind blows. I usually like your posts, but now I am starting to see through you. I guess not everyone can be on the bandwagon, or it would get boring.
16 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:Heck, I'll settle for an off season where he takes most of the first team snaps in practice!
Watching a lot of NFL & College football helps define what a "drop" is for me. And the one thing I'm not seeing from Bills TE's/receivers this year are GREAT catches. Think about it, the best catch of a Josh Allen pass was by Demarco in the Chargers game! Heck yesterday in the college football championship games I saw guys making awesome catches all over the place. In the NFL the QB's job is to get the ball close to where the receiver can make a play on it. Receivers who DON'T MAKE AMAZING catches don't last long in the NFL.
Good post.
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3 hours ago, PearlHowardman said:
Josh Allen has been playing competitive football for many years now. HS, Jr. College, Wyoming, now with the Buffalo Bills.
His pass accuracy has never improved.
Sorry!
And some posters will never have a football IQ. SORRY?
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2 minutes ago, par73 said:
Great keeping play alive, but missed wide open Clay. This one hurts.
He didn't miss him. You get paid that much you catch it. This isn't junior high. Allen did a great job of scrambling. Clay has no hands at all. Cut him.
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1 minute ago, ILBillsfan said:
Another ball that didn’t come out of joshs hand good
He was scrambling for his life. Another clueless fan.
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Tanner Gentry is the exact WR Bills should sign
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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What a clown. Are most Bills fans uneducated on this site? The Bears are loaded at receiver for those that are clueless. And calling someone who you never heard of until today super douchey leads me back to you being the douche. And Gentry was at his best when Allen was scrambling. And there are some great hall of famers who didn't have a good 40 time as receivers. But they did run excellent routes and had great hands. Another ec Wyoming receiver the Bills should look at is Jacob Hollister at tight end. He is on the Patriots roster. Bellicek made room for him on the roster. And we all know how poor his judgement is on tight ends. So that would be one more person they could pick up that Allen could us. If they could pry him away from the Patriots. But all of the smart fans on here know better. Too funny.