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13 minutes ago, Looper said:
Of course it's my opinion - this is a discussion board. I would think most QBs would rather play for the Giants than Buffalo. So what ?
Ok fair enough, but you are singling out Rosen. So what is your ultimate point here?
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Just now, Looper said:
Yep, I see what you did but if you gave Rosen a list of the top 10 teams in the draft and asked him to rank them on where he might want to play, I would pretty much guarantee than CLE/BUF would be on the bottom. You may think otherwise.
Says who? This is your opinion based on no actual factual evidence. Unless you know him personally, I'm not sure what to say.
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1 minute ago, Looper said:
It's a shout-out due to the exclusion of not mentioning Cleveland or Buffalo. Has he said directly that he doesn't want to play in CLE or BUF. No.
Not as big a deal for Allen to go to CLE or BUF or even DEN. He played in Wyoming while Rosen played in SoCal. Playing in crap weather is not on the top of everyone's list.
You are making this up dude. This is all your opinion and not based on fact at all. He never said anything like that. Rosen never said anything about weather or anything. YOU are making things up that aren't there to substantiate your opinion. Oh and btw, it's pretty freaking windy and cold in New Jersey too. And if you want to knock Rosen for giving a shout out to the Giants, you have to knock Allen. Allen actually explicitly said he'd be stoked to go play for Shurmur.
What are you missing here?
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2 minutes ago, Looper said:
That is simply a veiled comment for "I want to be drafted by a winner"
This is what he actually said:
"I'd rather be a lower pick at the right team than a higher one at the wrong team"
Nothing about Cleveland or Buffalo in there. He also said this:
"I think the teams know more than I do in the sense of where I'd best fit," he said. "I might be a bit of a unique personality, so hopefully they can pick me apart and if a team really feels that I'm their guy, hopefully they'll go and get me.''
I see nothing wrong with anything. As we all know, the right fit is what is most important. If we want to read into things we can spin it positive:
"He doesn't care about the money or high he gets drafted, winning is everything to Josh Rosen."
See what I did there????
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12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
This is really weird because the only QB that this actually worked for was Aaron Rodgers and he was drafted at pick 24. Every year there's some "future potential" QB that gets way overdrafted and they never work out. Last year it was Mahomes so I guess we'll see with him. If we want a QB that needs time to develop the pro game why not take Jackson or Rudolph later? Why would you trade up for a QB who isn't anything yet?
It's just projection. Rodgers was an anomaly. Happened one time and teams are going to make sure it never happens again. The draft is about projection and potential. In every sport. When you are drafting at the top you are going for the guy with the most upside. You aren't plugging holes. When you plug holes you draft Eric Fisher #1 or something like Aaron Curry..solid and unspectacular.
You don't draft Rudolph because he has zero upside and is the same prospect as Nate Peterman, bigger frame, smaller hands, terrible footwork, spread offense, less arm strength. The guy is terrible. You are better off taking a shot on a guy like White or Lauletta later in the draft. Jackson I could see, but it is going to take some big time commitment like the Jets had with Hackenberg, and it is going to force you to pass on quarterbacks like the Jets did with Mahomes and Watson last year.
Get one of Darnold, Allen, or Rosen or don't bother.
6 minutes ago, Looper said:Maybe so, but apparently he gave a shout out to the Giants at his pro day. Did he do the same for the Bills ? All of these kids want to go to a winning franchise and I' m sure NY is a more preferred destination than Buff.
This is more media BS man. He said:
“For me the coolest part of this meeting people from all around the country,” Rosen told Mayock. “I remember sitting in a meeting with the Giants and I kinda double-took it. Coach Shurmur, I just saw your press conference like two weeks ago. This is kinda cool.”
The kid is answering a question. How is this giving the Giants a shout out? This is the media making a story. It's BS.
Josh Allen said this:
“Coach Shurmur is a super bright mind. I like him a lot. I actually got the chance to talk to him in Mobile. Sat down with him for a little bit. He’s a really good dude. If I was fortunate enough to play under him, I’d be super stoked,” Allen said.
Why aren't there stories about Allen not wanting to go to Cleveland or Buffalo? Don't believe the hype brother.
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7 minutes ago, Looper said:
Would you want Rosen still if you knew he might not want to play here ?
Yes, and I don't believe any bullcrap media assumptions made by Tedy Bruschi. He may have had 1 too many concussions. There is no actual proof that Rosen ever said anything about wanting to play anywhere. He said that it is sometimes advantageous to drop in the draft because you go to a better team, ala Aaaron Rodgers. This is obvious. He said nothing about Cleveland or Buffalo. As a person who worked in media, I can tell you it's media BS.
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Haha. These are fun and very unrealistic. Josh allen dropped to 12, had to take him. No trades in mine:
12: R1P12QB JOSH ALLENWYOMING22: R1P22DL TAVEN BRYANFLORIDA53: R2P21WR CALVIN RIDLEYALABAMA56: R2P24C JAMES DANIELSIOWA65: R3P1LB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCHBOISE STATE96: R3P32CB MIKE HUGHESUCF121: R4P21LB SHAQUEM GRIFFINCENTRAL FLORIDA166: R5P29TE TROY FUMAGALLIWISCONSIN187: R6P13G BRIAN ALLENMICHIGAN STATE -
1 hour ago, BillsSbSoon said:
Agreed. I watched ucla specifically last year to watch rosen. Its not close to me in terms of throwing the ball. He is by far the best qb in the class. All these supposed off field concerns are nonsense. The concussions are a bit of an issue, but it wouldnt stop me from taking him ahead of any other qb.
How can he be projected ahead of rosen though? Theres nothing he does throwing the ball thats any better than rosen imo. His throwing motion is awful, not as good an arm either. Slightly more athletic yes, but darnold isnt going to be scrambling around a whole lot either. Rosen did not have a lot of top tier talent around him offensively, and he elevated that entire offense
Their defense was awful, and they had to score practically every time they had the ball just to stay in games
I love Rosen and he is my number one guy. He is my favorite player in this draft and my favorite quarterback prospect since Luck.
I guess some teams are turned off by Rosen or the concussions. I agree with you, but Allen has a higher ceiling with a much lower floor. Remember that Trubisky and Mahomes when before Watson last year because they had the bigger ceiling. NFL teams and scouts are often all over the place with these things.
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3 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:
It isn't that I am opposed to trading up, rather I think they have been shutout of that chance now that the Jets are at 3. It is hard to imagine that Rosen and Darnold won't both be gone by pick 3. Denver is at pick 5 and will take Allen or Mayfield.
If if you trade with Cleveland at 4, you might get your choice of Allen and Mayfield, but that will be very costly to get one of them.
if you can't get ahead of Denver, then you are likely left with one of Allen/Mayfield and Lamar Jackson. If, say it is Allen and Jackson left, do you really want to take one of them? I'm not asking to be snarky, just saying that they are both very risky projections.
It's a fair question. Allen is going way higher than you think. And my answer is yes. This franchise has need a true franchise quarterback for so long. They have spinned their wheels on Ryan Fitzpatricks (marginal talent) and JP Losmans (5th best quarterback in a class). We need a true, high upside quarterback. Sure Allen might be Jake Locker, but he could be big Ben. Lamar Jackson could flame out, or could become Michael Vick. Mason Rudolph is probably somewhere between Christian Ponder and Brandon Weeden. A move like this would make absolutely zero sense. Even Nathan Peterman projects as possibly becoming something like Kirk Cousins. Rudolph is Peterman with less upside.
There is always risk involved when acquiring high level talent. Heck Rosen and Darnold are risky in their own ways as well. But we need a high ceiling quarterback prospect, otherwise we will keep having these same conversations for the next 20 years.
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2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
Not sure if serious. The reason he says this is because he’s lying. Beane is feigning ignorance that he hasn't studied these QBs. He knows exactly who he wants. He's cold and calculated. He spent the last year saying getting a franchise QB is a GMs most important job, now he says he hasn't looked at them yet? Lies. He's getting his guy.
This.
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31 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said:
I know i have been questioning it for months. I dont see it with him and cant believe hes still regarded as the top qb.
I think the league likes Darnold a lot, but a lot of it is projection. I think they see him as a possible Luck type. I also think the league loves Allen way more than the fans. With these quarterbacks it's about projection down the line and big tiem potential. That's what you go for at teh top of teh draft. Not sure it's right, but that's the way it is. .
2 minutes ago, BigdaddyinOrlando said:True, but if Rosen does get past 6 and we are still at 12, I hope an am pretty sure they will jump up and do what is necessary to get him.
I could see Rosen slipping out of the top 5. All it takes is the Giants and Broncos to pass on a quarterback. I would assume we would jump up if he got to 4.
It happens. Last year the Browns, 49ers, and Jets, all with clear quarterback needs, passed on Watson and Mahomes. When they got to us, we traded out.
There is a possibility that Allen and Darnold go high, Rosen and Mayfield slip a bit. We are in a great spot if that is the case.
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I know we love making fun of the Jets. I really like Rosen, but there is a good chance our board also looks like this. There is also a chance we or the Browns have Allen #1. Nobody knows at this point.
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18 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:
I'm not saying that Mason Rudolph IS who they want, but I can why they might like him. I know that some folks on here spend a good deal of time actually watching game cut ups of the prospects, but it feels like a lot of folks have read one or two draft lists and they have formed an opinion only on that.
All that I am saying is that Rudolph his excellent size, was a 3 year starter, was highly productive and is reportedly smart and a good leader. Would it be better if his arm was stronger? Sure, but there are definitely things to like about him.
The issue is that his skills are really not projectable for the NFL. Yes, our brass may like him, but he in no way whatsoever improves our quarterback situation. He has very little upside and has small hands. He is basically just really big and put up ridiculous numbers in a simple offense surrounded by some really good players. Guys like Brandon Weeden and Zac Robinson were very similar. In terms of arm strength, Nate Peterman probably has more. At least Peterman had some experience in a pro style offense coming in. The thing that grinds my gears is people talking about taking this guy in the first round. It's lunacy.
People complain about Josh Allen and Mayfield having footwork problems etc etc. Rudolph has all of those problems without any of the upside. He is unathletic and a future backup quarterback. Taking him would be a wasted pick. He seems like a very nice guy, but does not move the needle for us. I could see him going in the 2nd, but that team will definitely regret that selection. He is a 3rd or 4th round pick.
People would rather not trade up and I get that, but convincing yourself we don't have to trade up while completely wasting the 22nd pick on this guy is just ludicrous. The Jackson thing, while I don't like it, I get it. He has ridiculous athletic upside. Rudolph is so ordinary and besides his frame, is not projectable as an NFL starter.
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1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:
Or it makes the Jets look reckless.
They havent even had a chance to bring any of these QBs in for a visit, sit with them extensively and work them out privately. They've met them for 15 mins each at the combine.
They are said to be comfortable with any of the top 4 QBs in this draft (and clearly any of the top 3 since they traded to 3 and may only get the 3rd QB off the board).
That sounds like a team willing to randomly throw a dart at one of the QBs this year and hope it sticks.
Give me me a calculating GM who thoroughly vets all his possible QB prospects before trading away the farm for the most important position on the field and a guy you want to be the face of your franchise for the next decade plus.
Hope the entire site reads this. Good work.
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Wow a Rudolph and Mayfield thread! Just needs a little Tyrod and we are all good
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6 minutes ago, Laughing Coffin said:
Rudolph will be there in the 2nd !@#$ing round.
He will likely be there in the 3rd and possibly fourth.
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I saw that Steve Keith guy say the visit is scheduled for Monday. I know we are all focus on other things today ?
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1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Just as important people should actually watch some of his games.
Its weird. I don't know if people are looking at his size and statistics and projecting something that isn't there. I don't get it.
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Go to NFL.com and draft ratings and compare their grade on Nate Peterman to their grade on Rudolph. They have Peterman with a slightly higher grade.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/nathan-peterman?id=2558191
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/mason-rudolph?id=2559942
The Rudolph love is asinine. He's a future backup with little upside.
AJ McCarron grade slightly higher than both.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/aj-mccarron?id=2543497
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It is possible that the Jets know the Bills are getting up there and they decided to jump the Broncos. Either that and they know that the Giants are taking a quarterback. Either way, something told them they need to get to three right now.
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He must want Darnold or Rosen. Allen fits the "Cam Newton" model, but I feel like they are all in on Rosen, knowing they can't get Darnold.
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1 minute ago, Dopey said:
Were we allowed to bring AJ in for a workout prior to signing him? Just curious. Thanks for any help with this question.
I'm pretty sure they signed him without meeting with him. Beane talked a lot about all of the people he talked to before they made AJ the offer. AJ then talked about how cool it was to step off the plane and feeling like it was a college atmosphere. So I'm pretty sure it was the first time he was there.
I do think there is a good chance the Bills are going to be pleasantly surprised with what they are getting and that may lead to them feeling a bit less pressure to move up in the draft.
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The Jets are going to take the guy none of their fans want. That's just teh way it goes...so they probably traded up for Allen
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I think we were going to have to overpay for pick #2 regardless of what happened today. We are competing with the Broncos, Dolphins, and Cardinals for that selection. We have prime draft capital to offer, so I don't think our situation changed all that much. If anything, the Jets are now removed as a competitor, as they dont have much to offer to jump up to 2. The issue really is if the Giants don't want to trade out and we get locked out. If that's the case it is what it is and you punt on a quarterback.
Beane may also be patient. He said a bunch of times we are in "striking distance." We are in a good spot if a quarterback inevitably drops into that 7-10 range to jump the Dolphins and still keep 22.
It's still so early, but I don't think much has changed at this point.
Bills hosting Bengles FA C Bodine
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I think he is a pretty average player, which is what Eric Wood pretty much was as well. He could compete with Groy. Bodine I believe is a center only, whereas Groy could play guard.