[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

If true, perhaps the pivot was down to Josh's preference? He wanted Coleman over Legette.

Interesting. I didnt see that. Was that said pre or post draft. Not that it matters, I'm just curious bc we will never get anything but the company line publicly.  In the same sense that every GM will tell you they got their guy. Hell, I was impressed one GM actually admitted their new QB was 2nd on their QB board. That was refreshing in a sea of 'we got the guy we wanted' public responses

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

5th year options outside of QBs aren't really that valuable anymore

 

You are right as you can always sign to an extension or franchise tag, BUT, why then did CAR need to trade up? Simply so Buffalo didn't take the guy they wanted?

18 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I'm not sure whether they had to pivot. There was nothing stopping them picking Legette and rejecting the Panthers offer. I think they simply preferred Coleman's physical attributes.

True, but the entire gist of that particular story is that they had to pivot once that trade occured. Again, it is what it is and the added value of the pick could have made what you say 100% true. But if that's to be believed, for one reason or another, a pivot happened. 

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

10 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Of course man, always appreciate a good conversation.  Thx for sharing what you heard.

 

We will never quite know, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Beane had them basically equal/or very similar ranking.

 

My source (albeit with Steelers), told me Coleman to Bills about an hour or so prior to draft on Thurs night. 

 

I think both could be true, Legette and Coleman equally graded and knowing they'd get 1 of them was enough for Beane to move back.  I'd just be genuinely shocked if Beane didn't know exactly who Dan was targeting and all the publicly available info connecting Legette to Car.

 

I'd been happy with either player, Coleman was highest on my list during the Fall (with Worthy).  I'm not shocked though that Beane decided to go with a big bodied/physical WR, something Josh hasn't had.

I'd like to hope, and I think, you are right. My initial response when I heard it (and didn't initially believe it) was that that's like GMing 101. How do you let someone do that w/o knowing who they will take. It was relayed as if it was a surprise,  but at that point it was also 3rd hand so for simplicity sake maybe that's just how it came off. The good news is, it looks like they both ended up w a good player as well as a player they liked. Again, as they know more than me I'll trust their scouting abilities and it's all good 👍 

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Or at the very least were OK with picking either.

That's simply the most reasonable assertion if its to be believed. It was relayed in the sense that they not had to pivot, but as mentioned by other posters - by moving up and getting the 5th yr control you'd think it'd be for a 'playmaker' or someone worth it. 

 

It's like the TLDR is I hope Beane didn't really have the wool pulled over his eyes. A friend in Myrtle Beach says the Panthers seem to have a penchant for drafting local talent. That would be another reason it could have been predicted. But this gist is essentially by choice (both rated equal and the value of the 5th made their decision) or surprise - a pivot had to occur as that wasn't originally what the pick was going to be. Beane said they called him. Maybe your theory is correct in it was going to be A, and then the value added changed it to B.

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

That doesn't make sense.

 

Before you would trade a pick, why wouldn't you ask them if they planned on taking "this person"?

 

 

You'd think it'd be a prerequisite as you are essentially letting them step in front of you. Beane answered in his presser he didn't get out of the Chiefs who they were taking but they thgt it was a WR. That would make one think that at the very least they were comfortable w a few. Your point, is EXACTLY what was so upsetting and why I hoped it wasn't true. I'm sure there was more as again, I don't have the context which is probably important. But the exact disappoint and confusion you express is why I doubted it. Then they hit 2 for 2 on the pics, so I thgt maybe there's something to it

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

16 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

If Legette was the Bills target why would they trade back behind the Panthers when it was obvious they would pick him?

The impression I got was that it wasn't what they were thinking. I personally didn't understand why you'd let someone step in front of you if you didn't make sure it wasn't for the person you wanted. I'd think that would be a prerequisite for making a move like that. In fairness, I don't have any context. Maybe they had them rated similar and the 5th was enough to make them go w/Coleman. The only point was that prior to that, Leggett was the pick and they had to pivot. 

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

49 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

No way this is true.  Beane takes Legette at 32 if he wanted him badly. 

 

On top of that, by his own words last night he alluded to asking teams who they're taking when they're swapping within a pick or two.  Plus Dan Morgan is a close friend, they likely knew exactly what Car was planning.

 

Then to add on, there's been a TON of Legette to Car at 33 talk.  Legette himself said Car would take him at 33, if still there.

 

I'm glad your contact was accurate on the other info, but Beane isn't letting his target go to move back 1 pick

First off, thank you for being much more respectful than someone else here. It's nice to have a convo rather than have someone act like a screw driver. 

 

Couple things, for obvious reasons, I didn't want to believe this as A) Leggette was who I was hoping for and B) it's not a great look for someone who I'm a fan of. I have no interest in bashing Beane, and while not perfect, he knows much more about football than myself. I didn't have to say anything and it's more just stating what went through my head through out the day. I had no issue w the trade as a fan last night, but the text I got from someone who knows NOTHING about the draft but works w someone who's husband is a scout said that he was the guy, they didn't expect that's who it was going to be for, so now Coleman is the guy. 

 

After umpiring a highschool game I hopped in the car and listened to the pick and sure enough - Coleman. I called that person and they mentioned they also liked the 2nd pick (who I hadn't heard of)- also spot on. It is what it is, my only real point here was that I hoped the picks weren't true - not bc I didn't want the players... but bc I didnt want to believe the story. There weren't specs in the sense that ' the world was ending' or 'they had both similar but Legette more so while they'd have preferred one, they weren't unhappy w the other' just simply that CAR took who they'd planned on taking. 

Maybe they were close enough he was willing to take that chance w that return. I have no idea. I just feel like if it's one team behind and they want to get ahead of you - I was surprised the stipulation wasn't we had to know who they wanted before the trade. 

Either way, the point of the post was simply I spent the day hoping that wasn't the pick so I could write off the story as bunk. Then not one, but 2 picks were just as they said. As such, now I believe it. No one else has to, just mentioned it bc I felt it was interesting. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

26 minutes ago, eball said:

 

This is the biggest sack of shite post I’ve ever seen.  Get lost, dude.

 

Lol, coming from you of all people. The winner of the thread, Mr keyboard extraordinaire.  Show me where they touched you and I'll let proper authorities know. Out of respect for this person it is what it is... but I think the only sack of shite here is in your head my man!

[Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State]

I was told this was the pick this am and they are 2 for 2 w picks thus far so I believe it. But the other story was Leggett was their guy last night and they were shocked when CAR took him.

 

I hoped it was BS bc everyone knows someone who knows something. I didn't want to believe he got greedy and lost his guy to make a 6th a 5th.  I spent all day hoping it was false, bc how do u LET someone jump you and THEN they take your guy?! When this was the pick I was worried it was true bc Coleman was who this person said wld be the pick.

 

Then, later when they said pk 2 was prob Cole Bishop I admit I had no idea who that was. When he was the 2nd pick... it made me sad that it means that story must be true. That said I was a big Leggett guy so maybe that's why it rubs me the wrong way. I'm a big in Beane I trust guy... but this means he got burned. How much it matters remains to be seen, but none the less...

[What if Allen and Mahomes swapped exact situations?]

Still with this?

Even under the guise of an original thought....woof

[Wegmans just put out more of the Josh Allen bags]

On 2/27/2024 at 12:40 AM, Buffalo716 said:

How do you actually check sold prices?

 

And thanks for the information 

Just search what you want, then hit the filter button and change it to 'sold'

[Josh Allen expected to be tagged]

Cue rim shot and laugh track.....

[The GM's Job is Amazingly Difficult]

Thats why you need to meet the requirements set in place, and at the VERY least, you need your GED. Honestly, that last part is probably the only thing holding some people back from realizing their potential. Shame

[Wegmans just put out more of the Josh Allen bags]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

I certainly didn't buy them to sell it I just have seen them going for a decent Penny online

I didnt mean to imply you did, I was just saying the price of what they actually sell for is usually very different that what people ask. When you actually check sold listings on ebay, its no where near the $100 people as asking 

[Wegmans just put out more of the Josh Allen bags]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I still have all my bills little people!

 

Multiple sets ! And they are selling for like 50-70-70 bucks online

 

Bills fans love merchandise 

Seasoned crab boils and dirty feet?

 

Welcome to the French quarter 

The 1st yr can sell for 70, 2022 on is 20 bucks or less. Many Wegmans still have stock of this year.  People ask more, and comic book guy at flea markets is trying to get $100 for something that was designed for charity and they made as many as they could sell to maxamize that aspect... but like most collectibles,  only the 1st issue/set is worth something. Ironically, that one didnt even have Bills branding. Once things are actually viewed that way they make a ton, everyone buys them out of excitment and supply ends up outweighing demand. See 90s baseball cards, beanie babies, any other collectible fad

[Browns hire Dorsey as OC]

1 hour ago, DrBob806 said:

It's actually a great city/region, great fans. 

Off topic, but i hate going to other teams boards and see them make fun of a city theyve never been to or know very little (if anything) about. Id assume most ppl here have been to CLE, and while different,  it's also very similar. So much so, i cant imagine why someone from here woukd talk trash about there.

[What is the best out to Allen’s contract?]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

How can they get out of this liability? 

Ill tell you the secret if you promise NEVER to post here again...deal?

[Friday Official Injury Report]

what a difference a week or two makes.

lets hope the result is the same!

and really.... the rest we can deal with as long as Allen's finger is ok

[Bills @ Dolphins game thread - 1st Half]

10 minutes ago, Beast said:

McDermott isn’t the problem right now.

 

Period.

 

 

You waste our last TO w a minute left where if we dont get the 1st we give it back to them w 1 min left, and then instead of just giving some BS answer you take the opportunity to call out ur qb by saying the ball cant go to the middle of the field?! Dont turn ur wasting a valuable TO into bitching abt ur QB. If one of the two has to go, its sure not the franchise QB

[Why is it so hard for fans to admit reality?]

13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Go back and watch last night’s game and tell me we couldn’t have played better.

Lol, sure. Any team can play better on any day. Its why perfection is rarely achieved.  Those that come close still have their games throughout the season where they have to win like last night. You obviously didnt pay attention all week to the circumstances surrounding the game, and even those aside- to a man, when you let up 62 pts, you sure are hell are going to make sure it doesn't happen 2 weeks in a row. This team had some rough breaks on some ticky tack penalties that orevented a potential rout, had 2 dumb luck fumbles lost loosing the turnover battle 0-3, and still scored enough to win. Furthermore, this is a game they would have dropped earlier in the year. This time, they were in charge and looked like they knew what they were doing the entire time.  Sometimes you are up against it. Maybe a better team would have made them pay for their bad breaks. Instead of bumbling they showed competency and resiliency.  Acting ignorant to all this is just silly. Again, makes it look like you should watch more football, pay better attention, and author better posts.

[Why is it so hard for fans to admit reality?]

5 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

The reality is we were lucky yesterday.  Josh was bad Josh until the last drive.  Cook had a pivotal fumble.  The defense let a guy with no experience in the league almost win the game for the Bolts.  The only guy that played really well was Oliver.  
 

Just admit they sucked yesterday and got lucky.  They won’t be that bad every game; I suspect they’ll squish the Fish like Josh always does.  But they sucked yesterday and have too many times this year against inferior competition and that’s why they’re in the position they’re in.

Watch more football. Pay better attention.  Author better posts. Life will be better, I promise!

[Bills @ Chargers post game thread]

12 minutes ago, Bills fan since 87 said:

 

What the F....?

Schedule release mockery

[The Classic Uniform for the Bills against the Cowboys]

3 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

How about that 1984 game combo: red helmets, white jersey, blue pants.  Whoa!

Also blue facemasks, which, although a minor detail, IMO, sets the whole thing off and looks great!

[I hope that Beane stops listening to McDermott when drafting]

12 hours ago, margolbe said:

The greatest strength of this team is offense, so we don't need to keep drafting undersized linebackers and corners who can't cover.

 

We need a true number 2 wide receiver (assuming Diggs stays), another offensive lineman (or two), a RB in the line of Murray, but with youth.  
On the defensive side we need someone to replace DeQuan Jones (assuming he goes elsewhere).  Don't know how Milano is going to recover, so we should consider his replacement.

 

I also think it would worth drafting a developmental quarterback so we don't all have to sweat when Josh takes a hard hit.

 

I hope that we also hire a defensive coordinator.  Although McDermott is a genius in his own mind, we need a fresh voice on defense.  We also need to fire the ST coach and get some one good in here.

We dont know the name of the ST coach... but we want him fired? I feel like as a fan, if you are going to publicly admonish someone, you should at least know the guys name if you want your thoughts to be taken seriously. Its like when someone calls 550 to complain and then calls the player by the wrong name. Just an odd look

[The bleak cap situation going forward]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Locked On Bills goes over next year's cap situation in the latest episode. Doing the easy, obvious restructures and moves gets the Bills to 20+ million in cap space. They can easily get more than that with other moves, including extensions and cuts.

 

The Bills are fine. Beane knows what he is doing.

 

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0MT1OvOBUBgbmk6J5iYA6D?si=hoRtIDpVSVyU1qrRTzUbeQ

I was going to say... after watching that and coming here to read this it seems a bit overblown. Obviously things can always be pushed so you can function, but this moreso seems like a team that knows what its doing and has it self set up just fine.