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16 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:
Hey just checking back. I may have missed your response. You can agree that telling someone to go back to their country of origin has nothing to do with race right?
Trump said their countries were corrupt, inept, catastrophes and in doing so, he was referring to America. And when he told them to "go back" there, he was telling them to go back to America. And though this language has a long history of association with race, in Trump's case, he was telling them to go back to their "country of origin," in this case, America.
QEDumb.
Not a strong position kemosabe.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:
I disagree. Not to say the democrats are not doing everything they can to paint President Trump as being icky, but when people are employed and can pay their bills, most people don't care if the President is brash and loud as long as he can deliver a good economy.Mostly true. I’d vote for Trump over half the Dem field including several of the current front runners. I’d vote 3rd party instead of either person for some Dem candidates (Maybe Biden in this group), and vote D for maybe just a few who have little chance (the moderates who barely register).
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4 hours ago, McGee Return TD said:
Not surprising coming from a member of the party of hate
I'm jrober too?
No I’m jrober. And I followed DR here from another board as a member of a Deep State business where I get paid when people respond to me.
When someone says something, believe them.
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5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:
He didn't specify who he was talking about. If you don't see the flaw in your "IT'S RACIST!!!" tantrum then I can't help you. I'm sorry but you were the only ones that saw skin color. We all saw ideology.
Uh yeah he did. He said it in the Tweet. And then confirmed it in the tweet jrob quoted above. I’m sure you’ll think of a new justification now though.
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46 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:
You do realize the the country of origin does not determine race correct? So based on your logic if I knew a black dude from Norway who constantly told me how great socialism is there and how sucky our country is and I told him to go back to where he came from that remark is racist. And also based on that if we worked together I should get fired?? Quite the flawed argument wouldn't you say?
Is that what happened here? Did Trump tell 4 Norwegians to go back to Norway?
Keep trying.
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19 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:
I know this has been asked before but what makes what he said racist? So when we tell any people of color to “***** off!”, which is what he was essentially saying, it is racist virtue of the fact they are not white? So based on this anything negative, anything said being critical of a person of color can be interpreted as racist. I’m sorry but I don’t want to live in a world where I have to think of the color of the skin of the person I’m talking about first.
Again when everything is racist nothing is racist.
Telling the black American who cut you off in traffic to "***** off" is a lot different than saying "go back to your country."
Everything is not racist. Saying anything negative is not racist. It's not really that hard of a line to see, except for maybe really old people. Saying "go back to your own country" to a black American in a workplace will (1) get you fired, or at a minimum least (2) require an apology.
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1 minute ago, unbillievable said:
If you told her to go back to detroit, it wouldn't be racist.
Tell her to go back to the ghetto and it would be.
The specifics matter.
Like the "concentration camp" argument, context matters. Funny how that debate between definition and implication reversed positions.
And if I said to my AMERICAN black coworker that she should go back to her catastrophic, corrupt, and and broken country?
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5 minutes ago, unbillievable said:
Telling someone to leave the country isn't racist. However, Telling someone to leave the country to a specific location is racist.
The difference is that one phrase was used by racists in the past, while the other is used by everyone.
It's a weird distinction.
And if I said to my American black coworker that she should go back to her catastrophic, corrupt, and and broken country?
"Love it or leave it" rubs me the wrong way, especially in how it was used post-Vietnam. I like to think of the American tent as big enough to encompass diverse points of view, including racists and non-, and peace-lovers and hawks, and religious and atheists. But "love it or leave it," as you say, is not racist.
Nice that we can say shithole in the filter.
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23 hours ago, GG said:
Trump makes enough stupid statements that there's no need to invent new outrages. Just because his comments were targeted at women of color doesn't mean the content was racist. It's getting a lot more common to blame racism for any kind of criticism of a non-white person. Funny how everyone sided with Nancy last week when AOC predictably threw out the racist defense.
Trump's comments were inane and ill-timed, but they weren't racist. I'm sure you saw today's WSJ op-ed that puts the tweetstorm in the proper historic context of nativist sloganeering.
What nobody mentioned yet is that his comments are taken straight out of the Vietnam era disagreements, with the whole "Our Country. Take it or Leave It" stance. Those disagreements were not about race because the targets were nearly always upper middle class whites who took up the revolutionary cause. The Justice Democrats and Antifa are descendants of that societal scourge, and other than the four dark-skinned mouthpieces, the operation is run by misguided upper class trust fund kids.
But, it's a lot easier and gets you more street cred to cry out racism.
He didn't say to them that they could "love it or leave it," which would have been the wrong message from all of our president, but par for the course for his lack of leadership in trying to unite us (and no, he's not dancing by himself in this dance...just in the spotlight in this conversation). He more or less has Tweeted "love it or leave it" before at his opponents including today, by the way.
But that's not what he said to "the squad" (god I hate that new word). He said they came from--my words from Trump in other contexts--"s---hole" countries and they should "go back" to them. This was to Americans, 3 born in America and one naturalized.
If I said "go home" to your shithole "country" to a black coworker, I would 100% rightfully be fired within minutes. End of story. Why? Because what I said was racist. I hear that you don't see that as racist. Many (and maybe most Americans but I won't dicker on that) disagree with you, and even if we disagree on that point, maybe we can disagree on this: The leader of the free world should not have said it.
What Pelosi said was just as bad. Truly awful.
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41 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:
You're a commie.
You can keep saying it, and yet I'll keep attacking the socialists as a bigger threat to America than anything Trump has done that I disagree with.
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3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:
Derp
Pelosi deserves the same treatment as Trump (for a different reason) for her "Make America white again" insult. Totally inappropriate.
The "squad" deserves even more criticism. But a racist trope, from the president, is too far and he got the right rebuke he earned.
See the pox on both their houses.
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6 hours ago, Hedge said:
What if that co-worker complained loudly, every few minutes, that the company sucks, the boss is an #######, everyone that they work with is stupid, and their customers are all racists (while the customers are present)?
Rubber-glue argument fallacy. Both can be wrong.
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6 hours ago, LeGOATski said:
That clip was in the future.
My theory:
Hopper gets stuck in the upside down. He eventually finds his way out in Russia and a monster chases him through the portal. The Russians capture them both.
I think Hopper is done. They have too many characters and need to thin the herd. Uma Thurman’s kid was a good new character.
The thread I hope hope they pull more next season involves all the other number kids.
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2 hours ago, Doc said:
I must break you.
Yeah that guy was not doing much more than just mimicking Arnold Terminator.
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12 minutes ago, GG said:
For the last couple of years you have shied away from having an honest dialogue in favor of patronizing other members of the board. When challenged to explain your thoughts, you run away, only to come back with another side swipe. You revel at mocking the group think that you say happens here, yet rarely offer substantive counterpoints.
To the conspiracy true believers, sometimes I do, but not always.
I contribute substantively as often as I feel like. As do you.
12 minutes ago, GG said:When challenged today to explain exactly why Trump's comments are racist, you predictably ran away from the argument.
You want me to repeat what others have already said and what I’ve said? That would not add a lot. Plenz has mostly said what I would say.
Trump made a racist remark. You disagree. Discussion about the same ensued. Someone called me personally a racist. That’s escalation from a guy I have met. I’m uncomfortable even discussing it like this but do it because I see it as symptomatic of the mess of this place. People aren’t acting like they would in person. Have a beer? No and mockery. Tailgate? No and mockery.
Get personal if that’s the way you like it. I won’t.
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2 hours ago, GG said:
So now you know what it's like to be accused of racism, when you don't think you made a racist comment.
This is the world that you've been a champion of during your 100 screen name postings.
The guy who called me a racist has met me and my family multiple times. That's a word maybe you toss around lightly. I do not and I don't toss it around here often either, even when that nutjob was fantasizing about killing muslims.
I would think that if you're going to call someone that, you wouldn't do it on a message board. But that's my standard, not apparently his.
I'm happy that you and him have a cheering section for that kind of behavior. Good that you all have each other. Hug it out boys.
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27 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:
How about racist because it is racist and vile and not because of of who said it.
I mean at some point can anything or anyone on this board does not agree 100% with Trump and not be branded OrangeManBad or TDS? Be the same as brading all Trump sypporters Nazi's .
How about we disagree with his some of his ideas, and tons of the way he communicates..and agree with other stuff he has done. Or do we all just have to kneel at the altar of Trump( or the Dems in Tibs case) and be afraid that if criticize or disagree with party/leader, that does not make us weaker.
Good luck. I can applaud Trump’s many good accomplishments. But you won’t find the billsChan crew attacking him when he goes wrong. Except for the worst they can say, “That’s just Trump being Trump” and “But Hillary...”
Objective discussion is not what happens here. Or discussion at all. It’s mostly just grabassery in the (99%) boys lockerroom.
Some called me a racist today. That’s someone who I would have thought was above personal attacks. billsChan/PPP bringing out the best in the Buffalo fanbase. Congrats.
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54 minutes ago, KRC said:
You make racist comments, you will be called a racist.
I judged you wrongly. Be well.
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28 minutes ago, KRC said:
So are you.
I didn't call you a racist. That's pretty sh---y.
Guess it's all acceptable on billsChan.
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37 minutes ago, KRC said:
He is just projecting his own racism. If he can twist things to make it look racist, then he does not feel so bad about being racist himself.
You’re better than this Ken.
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1 minute ago, Tiberius said:
The Democratic voters are doing that now! Political parties are big tents. For every AOC the Dems have, the GOP has a Louie Gomert spewing incredibly stupid dribble.
Battling against socialist ideology is different than calling out the racist statements by an old white guy. One is a much bigger deal.
The Dems are engrossed in socialist rhetoric right now and it’s a big problem for America. I could probably vote for 2 Dem candidates right now, at most, and they should want my vote. Guys like you will vote for any of them.
Just now, McGee Return TD said:Dodgeball superstars and Monet-like basket weavers in this thread
The trumpanzees will defend him until the day they die
What will Hedges do now? I posted twice in the same minute. Archive the evidence!
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Just now, 4merper4mer said:
It really should have been an easy question to answer. What race? You haven't answered because he didn't criticize a race. He criticized an ideology. He did so in the wrong way but that doesn't make the ideology magically viable.
No he told 4 Americans to go back to their home country. Weaving and dodging.
It’s OK to like a guy who makes racist statements buddy. Just don’t defend it as inaccurate and inarticulate. Uncle Donald let loose one of his racist remarks. It happens.
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24 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
i don't know, what country does he want dark skinned American citizens to go back to? He's such an idiot.
For once we agree.
24 minutes ago, Tiberius said:So so glad he stepped in and United the Democrats again though! Thanks!
But now we don’t again. Phew. I wish the Dems would follow Trump’s advice and export the AOC arm including Bernie and Warren back to their home country of Socialist-stan.
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6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:
What race is that?
How many races are there?
Dodge and weave buddy dodge and weave.
Occasi-Cortez Channeling the Rent's too damn high guy
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She and the squad are on Trump's payroll. They are doing more for his reelection than anyone.