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Roy, you truly have no idea whether the owners colluded, so you don't have a clue whether Kaep's grievance has merit. I'll admit, I don't either, but the idea that the owners did collude is not as improbable as many seem to think. They do have a history of it
I never wrote that i did, here is my quote, " has zero merit unless the NFL really did collude.", note the term unless. But common sense suggests to me they most likely didnt collude.
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You can when you have access to ALL of the camera angles.
The NFL reviewed the tape and the call was correct.
NFL senior vice president of officiating Al Riveron said Monday it was "clear and obvious" to overturn New York Jets tight end's Austin Seferian-Jenkins' touchdown catch in the fourth quarter Sunday against the New England Patriots.
What else is the officials supposed to say, we blew it or we dont know for sure?
Regardless, by today's NFL rules I dont think he had possession long enough to even qualify as a catch.
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He had possession. Contact with a Cheatriot player knocked the ball loose. He regained possession of the ball but by that time was OOB.
Whatever happened to that non-sense about controlling the ball all the way to the ground, he had it for two steps and lost it, in todays NFL i dont think that is going to be ruled a catch. Guess the point is this entire what is a catch in the NFL has turned into a absolute farce.
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Not really. He put up numbers in garbage time after doing quite a bit to deepen the hole they were in. First with an int that led to a Cards drive from the TB 33 yard line to make the score 31-0. With the score at 31-20, his 2nd pick that gave the Cards the ball at the TB 1 yard line with them scoring a Peterson TD to clinch the game at 38-20.
I think he reinvigorated them for sure. They were down what, 24-0, they were doing nada before fitz stepped in.
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It looked to me that way as well. Which meant he didn't have control of the ball crossing the goal line. Which means (to me anyway) that it's a fumble OOB and Jets ball at the 1.
Wait a second, the ball was thrown, if he never had possession of it how was it a fumble? I can see where it would not be a touchdown but how can it be a fumble?
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i vote to bring back Ryan L Bilz/Maury Ballstein, Fire Chan, etc. ... At least their crusades were entertaining!
I want McAddict to resurface, he was the best of all time.
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Interestingly, during the game last night, Al Michaels made a comment that the Giants were coming off a worse week than Weinstein.
By the third quarter, NBC had him apologizing.
One of the reasons Trump got elected is people are feed up with the PC police. I understand why he apologized but that was a totally innocent joke. So with that joke were any of his victims "traumatized" by what he said, did his joke trivialize Weinsteins actions? Ridiculous.
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Tell you what, I really like both EJ and Fitzpatrick, they just arent that good as QBs. Fitz I think is 2x better, he reinvigorated the Bucs when he came in, the man still can run and is not afraid to take a hit, runs down the field to block. I wish TT would at least once try and be aggressive like Fitz throwing the ball.
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Well, if the President of the United States orchestrated a campaign to prevent owners from hiring him because of his expression of his political views, then yes, he has had his First Amendment rights infringed. That's one of the allegations in the grievance.
1) As I already stated, read some lawsuits and the wild things alleged
2) As stated above there is no such thing as a right to have a job in the NFL
Believe what you want but this lawsuit, besides the media blowing it wildly out of proportion has zero merit unless the NFL really did collude. Gonna be really tough to prove since the Ravens wanted to sign him until Cap "sweetheart" compared the owner to a slave owner,
Now please dont come back and tell me the Ravens violated Cap's girlfriends first amendment rights because they didnt sign him. Actually that lawsuit would have as much merit as does Cap, as in zero.
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This being slightly off topic, there's an obvious question as to legitimizing the methods with which certain lawsuits are established, no doubt. Their existence, however, remains a net benefit. In my personal opinion.
As much as I hate lawyers and I deal with them far too often that would be an interesting debate.
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Wrong. This topic is covered above. Kaepernick is alleging that the owners have colluded against him "in retaliation for [his] leadership and advocacy for equality and social justice ...". He also alleges that the owners "have retaliated against [him] in response to coercion and calculated coordination from the Executive Branch of the United States government." I suspect he may try to show that this alleged state action directly brings the First Amendment into play. Interesting...
As I stated prior, there is absolutely no way CK had his first amendment rights infringed, zip zero zilch. Did anyone stop him from kneeling? Answer is a simple no. And has has been beat to death already why he isnt on a team is not relevant, the only relevance is if teams colluded. CK has first amendment rights do and and say what he wants...there is no right to get a job in the NFL..
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You should keep reading. There is some interesting stuff in the grievance. For example, he alleges that Trump has "been an organizing force in the collusion among team owners in their conduct towards Kaepernick" and that "NFL GMs and team leaders have referred to directives from NFL owners to not let Kaepernick so much as practice with a team." Maybe it won't be so hard to prove collusion after all...
I read the rest, very dramatic, brings up everything from the percent of AAs in the league to Donald Trump.
I noted the same thing you just did, remember these are lawyers wordsmithing to make it sound as horrific as possible, there are mostly likely "directives" one anyone who can or can not be, basically guidelines. This sounds like there was an order from the NFL not let C K practice at all under any conditions. No doubt if and when the truth comes out it will be nothing at all like it is inferred. But IF the NFL is dumb enough to have issued said "directive" signaling Colin, they would by sunk.
Go and get sued sometimes, the crap that is alleged in lawsuits is often laughable, idea is often to throw as much crap (including bold faced lies) on the wall and see what sticks.
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I'm not sure about that. In some states, including California, it is illegal, with some exceptions, to fire or refuse to hire someone because of their political beliefs or affiliations. But that would be a difficult case to prove, of course.
Well you may have me there, leave it to California, lets just regulate everything right down to what they believe/ Next you will have quotas based on religion, political affiliation. But what Colin did falls under workplace behavior, had he protested on his own time I dont think anyone would care one iota. But he decided to protest on the field, like it or not the owners and the NFL owns that stage, not Colin.
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Thanks for posting. Kaepernick is alleging that the owners have colluded not to sign him in retaliation for his outspoken views on perceived racial injustice. So my original point--that his grievance alleges that he's not in the league because of his expression of his political view--still stands. I will acknowledge that it will be difficult for him to prove collusion, since I'm sure the owners weren't stupid enough to send around a group email about not signing Kaepernick. We'll see.
True that is what is grievance articulates but it not relevant, owners can decide they dont want him because of his hairdo, doesn't matter as long as they didnt collude.
And prompted by you I started to read his griwvance and got opnly this far,
"To date, and specifically from the 2016 season through the present, there has been no NFL rule prohibiting players from kneeling during the national anthem. Mr. Kaepernick has a constitutionally protected First Amendment right to engage in a silent and peaceful protest."
The first sentence is wildly misleading, rules were there and never enforced/tested and the lawyers carefully limited it to "kneeling", no in the rules "kneeling" was never listed specifically. Standing up was though.
Second sentence, yes Colin has First Amendment rights, they were never infringed. What he doesn't have is a right to a job and act in any manner he wants to while at that job. How is it players get fined for pretending to be a dog urinating? Where is their 1st amendment rights there? If you owned a starbucks and on of your employees decided to lecture every customer about how great Donald Trump is before they too an order, do you think Starbucks has the right to terminate the employee, of course they do.
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Have you read the grievance, or are you just speculating?
Here is a fact, no speculation, if the owners didnt bring him on board because of his kneeling etc they are 100% within their right and not in violation of the CBA as long as they did not collude. Colin's lawyers can write anything they want to in their grievance, after all Colin needs to impress everyone with how "brave" he is and how he was wronged.
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49ers would have released him if he didn't opt out
So why didn't he lets just let the 49ers release him, I am not asking a baited question I just want to know. And do we know for a fact they 49ers would have released him?
Of any city ion the US hose fan base would have embraced Kapernick you would think Saan Fran would.
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Your original point--that Foles put up big numbers in Chip Kelly's system, therefore we can't trust any numbers put up by a QB in Chip Kelly's system--is so devoid of logic on its face that it's barely worth responding to. I'm not arguing that Kaepernick is an elite QB; only that he is better than almost all the backups in the league and a fair number of the starters, especially when you look at the list of starting QBs going into week 7. As evidence to support that argument, I pointed to statistics from his most recent season in the NFL, playing for a team that was almost totally devoid of offensive talent. Furthermore, Kaepernick has been in the league for quite a few years and has played at a fairly high level in the past, so it's not like his 2016 season was a total outlier.
As to your last sentence, I think you are acknowledging that the reason Kaepernick is not in the league is because of his outspoken stance regarding perceived racial injustice. Which is precisely the basis for his grievance.
That is not true. Owners have every right to not hire him on their team,. The basis of his grievance is not why he isn't on a team, the basis is if team colluded.
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Does Kaep REALLY want to play? Or is he hoping for a one-time mega payout to go away? Just remember it is ALWAYS about the money
Last I saw the NFL was a private business and you work at their convenience. They are not obligated to hire you just because you want in
Kaep is an attention whore, this may not be about the money at all.
I don't think the NFL pays for this lawsuit to go away, they dont want to set a precedence of players that dont get one a team to shake them down for $.,
If he lacked integrity, this is exactly what he would do.
People misuse "martyr," even more than they misuse "hero." Look it up.
Did you criticize Pat Tillman for walking away form his contract? Did you question why he did it? I doubt it.
I'm not comparing Kaep's sacrifice to Tillman's by any means.
Kaep silently protested something he felt strongly about. He knew the risks and he made a sacrifice. And guess what ... since he did it, this board and the entire nation has been talking about social injustice. That's a win.
I hope he wins this round, too.
Its a win?
Has this done anything to cure any social justice, has it brought anyone together, nope in fact if anything it has made things worse. You really think someone is going to get rid of their bigotry because that idiot knelt during the natl anthem. "Gee look at that, this guy is kneeling, well i sure was wrong, i am going to stop my racist thinking today."
All this has done is further divide this country, there is nothing good that came out of this.
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Fitz will be in good shape next week. His arm gets tired after about four games. He will have a week to practice as the starting QB. This could be interesting.
I have always believed this, he always starts the season hot and his play slowly dissolves after about 4 games.
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The refs LOVE to come up with some esoteric explanation that defies the odds.
The Tuck Rule was another, how can a QB pump fake and stabilize the ball with his non-throwing hand and then get stripped and say it wasn't a fumble..
The worst was a Seahawk defender jumped on a fumble at his 2 yard line and helplessly slid into the EZ on an icy and wet turf field and got rewarded with a safety against his team.
The Tuck Rule was an abomination to the game. If I were a raider fan I think i would have never turned on another NFL game.
Pats got another yesterday.
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I( agree with Row 33, NFL play mediocre, rules are absurd witness the Jets/Pats game. Can anyone explain to me if he didnt have control of the ball then who can he fumble it out of bounds if he didnt have control of it? I can see no TD but how do you go from no TD directly to a fumble. Crap like that makes the NFL unwatchable for me.
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@josinaanderson
Yes, #Patriots CB Stephon Gilmore is not traveling with the team. I'm told he has been experiencing some headaches, per source.
My understanding is #Pats CB Stephon Gilmore has been experiencing some headaches ever since after the #Bucs game--after play w/ Mike Evans.
Personally I hope the man is ok, make the right decision Stephon, walk away from the game before you do permanent damage and take your $40 million in guaranteed Patriot $ with you.
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Gimore is officially out.
Concussion/migraine.
His "backup" Eric Rowe is also out. Too bad they are not going up against a good QB because this could get interesting.
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....GREAT job bud.!!...the OLD AFL brings a tear to my eye....and you are correct about the 'Fins who came on in 1966.....the late great Ralph Wilson loaned the Oakland Raiders $400,000 to keep them afloat for the good of the league.....the late Hank Stram in SB IV with "65 toss power trap" miked call was THE best.....
Also the daryle Lamonica trade, the Raiders were really struggling to attract fans and some speculate that partially explains why we did one of the worst trades of all time. Also the rumor Lamonica was either banging Ralphs or Kemp's wide also may have factored into it.
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There should have been a flag on Barr imo. Can you imagine if that were Tom Brady (i only wish). They throw a flag on Von Miller for a joke but dont flag that?
Jets call, manufactured, they really scrambled to come up with a plausible denial but there wasn't enough to overturn the original call.