Noogie75
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no no no he was hated on because they could have worked with him like the are still doing with the starter. But Y does not even come close to Jones upside. Now, the starter did not impressed either with all the hype they are giving him.Not smart. Not motivated. Not accurate. Thats why.
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me eitherI never understood the rush to trade jones.
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I agree with you 200% on the Cardale over Yates. That's what happens when coaches just assume and give out positions. Just to say it was Rex pick. The better player should have stayed.
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I know that Yates knows the offense, has more experience and that Jones is still raw, but Jones is impressing with the Chargers and Yates looks terrible in practice and was even worse in the game.
Also did they just give Taiwan Jones, Cardell Jones old jersey? Having a RB wearing #7? I'm thinking they didn't want to make a New Jersey for a guy that was going to get cut and they gave him an old one that was laying around.
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At least it's a start where I can't blame him. He is no good to me period. This the NFL your gonna have to beat people with the passsss. This is not the wing-T league Pop Warner. You will not win unless you can passsss the ball. Beane is not crazy. He was a QB himself he likes the 6'5" guys once again, the decision was made before he was hired. When the pads go on we'll see who's who. Now it's all spec anyways.
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Does "I think you're dreaming on the stats" mean that those stats would be good enough for you?
It's a simple yes or no question
Did you just quote and respond to yourself?
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You win ok now let see if TT is gonna live up to the hype. Like I said there is no excuses for Tyrod this year either. I love a hard schedule too. The only QB everyone likes because he is our best option to win. I will watch every single game. Hope he lasts the whole season. Ok I'm sorry but you just better be right because you are sure defending him like you're his agent. Hope he turns out. Prey he does.I'm gonna Guarantee you he fails. Mark my words. Your asking a guy that can't pass for 300 yards. Now your gonna ask him to throw 30 passes a game. Timing patterns, roll outs, stay in the pocket and deliver. I'm sure Belechick is saying this is too easy when he game plans against us. Dolphins are happy we make it easy to defend. WOW Atl, Denver, KC, Chargers, Panthers... TT will pass for 4000yds at 200 per game average. 30 tds. We make the playoffs. Ha ha ha sure gentleman sure....
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Wow. Seriously, how old are you? You have to be a pretty young kid. What, like 12, 13?
Listen, for the 3rd time, nobody here cares about your I told you so's. Why do you think anyone gives a crap about it? You will most likely be banned again before you we even get to the end of this season anyway.
And I have never once said that I think Tyrod is the answer at QB. Only that he is the best option for this season. So, the only way you end up being right is if Cardale earns the starting job and plays better than Tyrod. Or goes somewhere else and becomes a better NFL starting QB than Tyrod is. Until then, you are not right about anything. You think Cardale is a better option than Tyrod, so until he proves he is you can't say jack ****.
Cardale never got benched by the Bills BTW, because he never even came close to earning the starting job in order to get benched. Tyrod's pay has nothing to do with him starting over Cardale. His play vs Cardale's play does. He was given that contract by Whaley anyway, so why would our new coach and GM feel obligated to start him? They didn't feel obligated to pick up Sammy's 5th year option or keep other players signed by Whaley. So why would it be different for Tyrod?
Tyrod is starting because his play has been by far the best on the roster since McDermott got here.
You just make it so easy for me, don't you...
I really am done with this conversation now. It is absolutely pointless.
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By the way like I mentioned Myers could had only won with other coaches recruits anyways. Example all of Tebow's class was recruited by Ron Zook. Before he left. After Tebow, Hernandez and the bunch left he lost a lot of games. Now at Ohio State he won with mostly Trussel recruits like Cardale. So it wasn't his recruit so he did him like that. Look at Cam when he was at Florida. Benched for Tebow, who was better??? It's political sometimes.
Do you think Cardale Jones is a better QB than Tyrod and if so why hasn't he taken the starting job from Tyrod yet? Why is he moving down the depth chart instea of up it? That was the whole point of my statement. Noogie also implied that Cardale was better than the guys in front of him at Ohio St. which is why I brought up the benching.
Because they are paying him more money he has to start so they won't look bad. And everyone is riding and banking on TT. Like they did Fitz. What happened? it set us back. Once again y'all gonna get your way. But don't cry wolf when I laugh at y'all TT backers. I'mma be like you can't haaang.
It's gonna be fun when the better guy is playing and we lose. Both Bills and at Ohio State. So you better be right. In both places Cardale got benched. I will be laughing hard in about two months. When the Bukeyes lose without Cardale. And we lose with TT. You just make it easy for me don't you.
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Cardale played more than 3 games in college... Now I am honestly wondering if you even watched much of Cardale's college career if you think he only played 3 total games.
As far as answering you now, I am not really 100% sure what you're even asking me. Maybe try writing it in a coherent sentence structure.
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Were what guys in front of him better? JT Barrett and Braxton Miller at Ohio State? Yes, they were. That's why they were ahead of him on the depth chart. Look up their stats, watch some Ohio St games. They were better.
Cardale only played those 3 games in 2014 because the guys in front of him got hurt, not because he legitimately won the starting job. Those guys in front of him were the ones that helped win a whole ton of games during the season to get Ohio St to the championship in the first place.
Were they drafted to play QB? Well, Braxton Miller switched to WR in his last year in college (2015) because he had 2 shoulder surgeries and could no longer play QB anymore.
JT Barrett is returning this year for his senior season of college football, so no has not entered the draft yet therefore he obviously couldn't have been drafted. But yes, he will be drafted to play QB in the 2018 draft.
And what supplemental draft are you referring to? Braxton Miller was taken in the 3rd round of the regular 2016 draft. There were not even any players drafted in the 2016 supplemental draft... and again Barrett hasn't entered the draft yet.
As far as where Tyrod and Peterman were drafted, one in the 6th and the other in the 5th. But so what? What's your point? It doesn't mean he is a better QB because of draft position. Doug Whaley once took EJ Manuel in the 1st round, and Tyrod was still better than him. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Must mean that Cardale is better than him too, since he went in the 4th right?
You're talking a whole 30-40 spot different in the draft between Cardale and Tyrod/Peterman. That's not at all significant when it comes to the later rounds.
But Both Tyrod and Nate Peterman were better college QBs than Cardale. IMO Whaley reached on Cardale because all the other QBs he wanted were off the board and he had an extra comp pick, so he took a gamble on a raw QB to try and develop. So far from all accounts he hasn't shown much development.
By the way you are talking about better.Good no excuses for Garret let's see Ohio State win it without Cardale. Myers has all of his recruits. Plus Garret. Let's see what up. So you can think about what you gonna tell me if they don't win it this year. Without Cardale. So I can tell you like Mav Albert " facial".
By the way you are talking about better.Good no excuses for Garret let's see Ohio State win it without Cardale. Myers has all of his recruits. Plus Garret. Let's see what up. So you can think about what you gonna tell me if they don't win it this year. Without Cardale. So I can tell you like Mav Albert " facial".
Remember last year when Cardale was on the bench.
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Good you are correct. Except 4th for Cardale. K did the QBs in front of him won a championship with Cardale on the Bench? Because it was the same team. They had Elliot, Bosa, and the rest of the squad. And the rook left Tn. To play in a weaker conference because he was not gonna play with that comp. Tyrod did he win a championship with plenty of starts. Now Cardale has not been given a chance. In pre season he ripped it up. Anticipated, pocket poise, cannon of an arm, drove the length of the field with what he had. Scored with the pocket collapsing. Ha if Tyrod could ever do that. I still watch that step into throw to the middle with a dart to Powell.
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Cardale played more than 3 games in college... Now I am honestly wondering if you even watched much of Cardale's college career if you think he only played 3 total games.
As far as answering you now, I am not really 100% sure what you're even asking me. Maybe try writing it in a coherent sentence structure.
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Were what guys in front of him better? JT Barrett and Braxton Miller at Ohio State? Yes, they were. That's why they were ahead of him on the depth chart. Look up their stats, watch some Ohio St games. They were better.
Cardale only played those 3 games in 2014 because the guys in front of him got hurt, not because he legitimately won the starting job. Those guys in front of him were the ones that helped win a whole ton of games during the season to get Ohio St to the championship in the first place.
Were they drafted to play QB? Well, Braxton Miller switched to WR in his last year in college (2015) because he had 2 shoulder surgeries and could no longer play QB anymore.
JT Barrett is returning this year for his senior season of college football, so no has not entered the draft yet therefore he obviously couldn't have been drafted. But yes, he will be drafted to play QB in the 2018 draft.
And what supplemental draft are you referring to? Braxton Miller was taken in the 3rd round of the regular 2016 draft. There were not even any players drafted in the 2016 supplemental draft... and again Barrett hasn't entered the draft yet.
As far as where Tyrod and Peterman were drafted, one in the 6th and the other in the 5th. But so what? What's your point? It doesn't mean he is a better QB because of draft position. Doug Whaley once took EJ Manuel in the 1st round, and Tyrod was still better than him. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Must mean that Cardale is better than him too, since he went in the 4th right?
You're talking a whole 30-40 spot different in the draft between Cardale and Tyrod/Peterman. That's not at all significant when it comes to the later rounds.
But Both Tyrod and Nate Peterman were better college QBs than Cardale. IMO Whaley reached on Cardale because all the other QBs he wanted were off the board and he had an extra comp pick, so he took a gamble on a raw QB to try and develop. So far from all accounts he hasn't shown much development.
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I think you are dreaming on the stats. Refs are part of the game. And why did he throw a critical pick in the Pitt game. Why was RW was mad at him? Sammy " our passing game needs to get better. At least Sammy will be happy next year he... Is gone like Woods and Hogan. A receiver will not shine with a lousy QB. Like the rest, Sammy will get a huge pay check with a better QB. Thanks to Tyrod. All of our quality receivers are gone. But it's not TT.
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You're just talking bubbles now. Tell me specifically what it is he needs to do. He made place in the clutch this year.
He was incredibly clutch against Seattle. That throw to the woods on third and 20 something is a pass that is literally is clutch as you get. He got screwed by refs and many other things in that game.
He threw a touchdown pass on fourth down to Clay to go ahead against Miami with less than 90 seconds in the last game he played. Again, pretty damn clutch. And in that same game in overtime he made critical throws to extend A drive that should have been a game-winning drive before his offense of coordinator called one of the dumbest reverse plays to Reggie bush losing 8 yards after McCoy I lost 2 yards on first down. and Carpenter was still left with a very makeable field goal that he missed.
In the second game against new England he threw a gorgeous 50 yard bomb that hit Clay on the hands that he just couldn't bring in.
In the same game against new England he throws a beautiful 20 to 25 yard throws to Brandon Tate that he just flat out drops.
Against Pittsburgh on a third and fairly short he throws the ball to a wide-open Sammy, and Sammy drops the football. It was even ruled a catch. That's how wide open he was. I don't think the refs could believe that he dropped the ball. But he did and he knew it.
I can point out please and instances where he does the things that you state. What needs to happen? 4000 yards passing with 30 TDs and less than 10 and interceptions? Or are you tying everything to wins and losses? And if that's the case, what happens if our defense becomes elite but Taylor please even worse than he did in 2016? The team played well and made the playoffs and maybe even wins A game or two.
The truth is I think that if Taylor has a good season with over 4000 yards passing, around 30 passing touchdowns and roughly 10 interceptions, he will inevitably be back in Buffalo. At that point, you know that he will also add roughly 500 yards rushing and somewhere between two and six rushing touchdowns. And that's a pretty damn good season for a quarterback. I expect if that's his season, the record will follow, and this team will be in the playoffs. If they aren't, then something went down hill with the coaching staff and or the defense and or the special teams. But Taylor will still be back.
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Because they are trying to convince me of stats which are ok for a QB that is,and are meaningless unless you are making your team win. We were 9-7 before he got here. Supposedly he was an upgrade over Orton. 8-8 and 7-9. This was with a sorry o. I know the defense. Well I remember the Vikings game that their offense killed our defense but at the end of the game. We rallied and score to win the game. That is finishing. Without excuses about what you don't have. TT had shady, Sammy, Williams a good o-line last year. Now what happened???
wins are losses are a TEAM thing
but...if your looking to place blame.....make sure your putting it in the right place sir (your not)
Who's fault was it then?
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I read it. Is this one of those random tangent posts complaining in general about how the team needs to win before you can say anything at all about it?
You made that comment in a thread about Taylor. And it was after some discussion about stats regarding Taylor. Sure seemed like you were upset about people bringing in stats and you wanted to bring your own two eyes into play.
Yes, I read your post. Maybe you just needed to vent. But it was at best a tangent to the topic being discussed. Or at worst, It was a horrible conclusion about QBs and wins. I'm sorry for thinking the worst of you. Clearly I was misguided and should have just realize you needed to vent about the team the way so many Bills fans need to.
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When has it happened in the two years. Jacksonville game this year. Wow Jacksonville. Tennessee wow. I saw what happened with K.C. he couldn't move the ball the second half. We lost. Defense ha three turn over that game and made them punt a few times. Yes, they got tired of being on the field toward the end. Could TT extended a few drives. Some were third and 2. That is what I mean. Seattle and Pitt. We could have rallied back as I before mentioned. If TT did his job and finished. Now the KC game who's fault was it on offense? Sammy had over 100 yards. Shady had over 100 yards combined. Who's fault." Nnnooo, but it wasn't TT"
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This doesn't tell me much. He does all of those things. I could point to multiple plays for every one of your criteria that you set forth. My guess is you're going to say she doesn't do it enough. That's the easy way out for a lot of you. It's the old "eye test" thing.
How often does he need to do these things, 100% of the time? 75% of the time? 50% of the time?
If you truly believe that even the greatest quarterbacks of all time do those things 100% of the time let's just end this conversation because it's ridiculous belief.
So, instead, give me your tangible criteria that we can see and somehow quantify that will get you behind the Buffalo Bills starting quarterback for 2018 QB if he continues with that job.
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Yes, that is true they did bench him. Now the year he came out supposedly the same team was there playing - Cardale right? Did they win a championship? When he played he won and they won. Now were the guys in front of him better? Did they get drafted to play QB? That's right suplament draft. With three games he got drafted 4th round. Tyrod and the rook played more and where did they get drafted? Answer me now because I wanna hear this......
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First of all I was d trying to tell dugny that I knew what Talent was since I grew up in Miami watching the U. U of F and Florida State. Tyrod wasn't the type of talent at qb. Then someone talk about Tyrod 5-1 combined against both schools. Then I came up with the facts. For even though he did beat them is he a national champ. Was he a 1-5 round pick with all that talent? And he warmed the bench for a Superbowl ring. If that answers your question.
How can you call yourself a Bills fan when you are legitimately rooting for the Bills QB to fail, just so you can say "I told you so"?
Bills fans root for their team to succeed, not fail.
You think Cardale Jones gives the Bills a better shot to win this season than Tyrod, yet you're trying to school us? GTF outta here man.
If the coaches and GM actually thought that Cardale gave the team a better chance to win, there is absolutely no way that he would have been dropped to 4th on the depth chart. He couldn't even hold onto the 3rd string position!
Tell us again how great Jordan Mills was last season... lol
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So he goes from Cardale Jones (Cardale Jones Cardale Jones) to talking about Ohio state to gushing on about how he played the game to talking about the Miami Hurricanes as though he was on the team to... well, geez, I don't know where he's going to go next. But this might be the best hijacking of a thread that I've ever seen.
Noogie, simple question for you, what does Taylor need to do to win your affection?
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He needs to make better decisions when the game is on the line. Extend drives. Hit wide open receivers, quicker release. Stay in the pocket. Make plays in the clutch. put the team on his shoulders when the team is playing not so good.make the difference when it counts. Have urgency when your team is down. Instead of looking nervous. None of this had happened in two years starting specially with winnable games on the line. That's what I need from him.
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So he goes from Cardale Jones (Cardale Jones Cardale Jones) to talking about Ohio state to gushing on about how he played the game to talking about the Miami Hurricanes as though he was on the team to... well, geez, I don't know where he's going to go next. But this might be the best hijacking of a thread that I've ever seen.
Noogie, simple question for you, what does Taylor need to do to win your affection?
We should have kept Jones and traded Yates
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