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51 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
You're right. Waiting for a title for forty years is really impetuous and lacking in patience
Cry me a river. I've been a Bills fan for 61 years, which is most likely longer than you've been alive. The Bills failed to make the playoffs in 37 of those years. They had 31 losing seasons, including 5 seasons with only 1 or 2 wins. In the last 40 years the Bills have never been as bad as they were in the 1970s and 1980s, although the later years of the Drought under Russ Brandon and Dick Jauron came close.
Because you're unhappy because the Bills haven't advanced to the Super Bowl in the last few years, you're throwing a hissy fit. Guess what, it could be a whole lot worse. You could be a Jests fan. To quote Mick Jagger, "you can't always get what you want".
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1 hour ago, BananaB said:
McD does this to protect his D. Remember the Bengals game last year when they come out in the no huddle and the easily walked down the field? After McDs D gave up its second TD he slowed the offense down so it wouldn’t become a shootout.
All about protecting his D.
Is protecting the D a bad thing? Playing D against teams that can make long scoring drives with regularity can wear a defense down if their own offense can't stay on the field long enough to give the defense a breather. That's the problem with a quick strike offense -- the defense is always on the field.
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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
In fairness if you are going to build a bombs away offense you need Josh's deep ball to improve massively on where it was for most of 2023.
I do agree though, we are an offense at the moment that is kind of forced to play small ball by our personnel.
Is the offense "forced to play small ball" or is that what they want to play?
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3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
You have a QB that's a Maserati. He's built for bombs away. But instead of building your offense for that, you build it for plodding, 10 yards at a time max, 10 minute drive offense. So I ask, what is the point?
What's the point of having a guy who's designed by nature to bomb the football deep and whose weakness is dink and dunk stuck in an offensive scheme that is built to do just that?
Why not offload him for someone who's better suited for that kind of thing if you refuse to play to his strengths? That's what I can't wrap my head around. It makes no sense.
How has "bombs away" worked for the mighty Fishies? According to one analyst, they may be the fastest team ever after adding more offensive speed in the draft. They certainly are spectacular when they stomp on bottom feeder defenses but when they run into a team with a good defense, they crash and burn because when Ds stop their WRs, they don't have many real answers.
I want the Bills to be able to move the ball however they want to move it no matter what the opponent's defense or the weather does. Winning football games is much more important to me than having Allen set passing records. My guess is that that's Allen POV, too. He doesn't like to lose.
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11 hours ago, HappyDays said:
The Chiefs are a poor example for a myriad of reasons that can be boiled down to two things:
1) Their offense was in fact worse last year, primarily because their WRs mostly stunk. It's like everybody forgot about this because they won the Super Bowl. It was by far their worst offense of the Mahomes era. For the first time they had to play on the road in the playoffs solely because their offense wasn't talented enough.
2) There are a number of factors about their team that allow them to overcome flaws no other franchise can overcome. I'm not going to take time listing all of those factors, they are plainly obvious after a minute of thought.
We shouldn't be mimicking the Chiefs strategy. We should be trying to overwhelm them and the rest of the NFL with pure offensive firepower. The first window's strategy didn't work yet the second window is starting off with the same exact strategy. I really don't understand how anybody can point to the unicorn franchise of this generation and act like that means the strategy isn't flawed.
If a team is going to copy cat another team, shouldn't it be the best one, not another also-ran? The Chiefs have won back-to-back Lombardis since they traded away Tyreek Hill. Plain and simple, teams paying an elite QB cannot afford really top end WRs not on their rookie contracts, so their WR rooms are going to be of modest quality.
What has Miami won with all their vaunted speed on offense ... aside from being able to beat up on lesser teams? They won only 1 or 2 games against teams with winning records in 2023.
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10 hours ago, 90sBills said:
But they gave KC their 4th round pick at #133 so really swapping picks not gaining an extra pick. KC used that #133 pick on Jaden Hicks. If he turns out to be a better db than Cole Bishop, whom the Bills took with pick #60, then we’ll never hear the end of this trade from the media.The best prospects (not necessarily the best actual NFLers) are found in the Top 100. Going into the draft, the Bills had 2 picks in the Top 100, #28 and #60. They came out of Day 1 with #33, #60, #95. If the Bills hadn't traded back, they probably would have still taken Bishop at #60 but KC would have gotten somebody, maybe maybe somebody a lot better than HIcks, with #95.
9 hours ago, FieldGeneral said:Point blank, you don't help your biggest rival move up. Don't care who they end up moving up for. This is the part that Bills fans cannot grasp that everyone else does.
Don't assume to speak for all Bills fans. I have no problem with the Bills getting KC's third round pick when the Bills had no interest in Worthy, the player the Chiefs wanted.
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On 4/27/2024 at 8:04 PM, FireChans said:
I’m approaching the opinion that the best thing for Josh Allen’s career is to tweak an ankle, miss the season and let Beane and McD get exposed and fired when they win 2 games and reset with a high draft pick and new organization.
This is the most hateful post I have ever read on TSW. It far surpasses all the other venomous and stupid bull manure that you've posted here in the last few days. Your hatred of Beane and McDermott suggests a level of anger bordering on mental instability.
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8 hours ago, FireChans said:
Because they didn’t want Worthy at 28 doesn’t mean they wouldn’t take him at 33.
Because they clearly didn’t want Coleman at 28. And they did take him at 33.
This is obvious logic.
I don't think that Beane had any interest in Worthy because however fast he is, he's slightly built -- at 6'1" and 172 lbs he's a smurf who's unlikely to have a long NFL career -- and I think Beane always wanted a big outside WR.
7 hours ago, 90sBills said:
Bills coveted Pearsall? I don’t think that’s true. Beane probably thought it was a great opportunity to gain draft capital (or move up in later rounds in this case) by sliding down and still get a receiver they liked. It’s a good trade for both sides in that regard. The optics is bad because it’s KC and we’ll be reminded every time they play each other.The optics are "bad" only because people don't look at the whole picture rationally. The Bills traded with KC because they didn't have a particular player they really wanted at #28 plus Chiefs gave them their third round pick in order to swap #28 for #32. Not only did the Bills gain a top 100 pick, but the Chiefs lost that pick. That's a win any way you look at it.
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3 hours ago, KentuckyBillsFan said:
It doesn’t take a football genius to see that Josh freaking Allen shouldn’t have Keon Coleman, Khalil Shakir and Curtis Samuel as his primary WRs going into his age 28 season
Why not? The Chiefs' WR room last season consisted of Mecole Hardman, Richie James, Skyy Moore, Rashee Rice, Justin Ross, Kadarius Toney, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Montrell Washington, and Justin Watson. Who were Mahomes' primary WRs in 2023? Hardman, Rice, Valdes-Scantling.
49 minutes ago, Einstein said:I would like to see some non-anecdotal data for this assertion.
A few years back an analysis was run on the Bills draft record during their drought. Nearly 20 years of data. In that span, it was shown via analysis that if the Bills front office had simply followed a publicly available player ranking (think: Kiper, McShay, etc), they would have drafted more impact players than they actually did.
A similar one was down for Oakland I believe.
Thats right - the professional NFL front offices of multiple teams, with access to dozens of scouts, in-person interviews, and player data galore, was beaten out by a generic player ranking list.Too many people buy into the “expert” fallacy. That simply because someone does something for a living, that they are better at that job than someone who doesn’t do it for a living. It’s not always accurate.
The Bills under Ralph Wilson's surrogate Russ Brandon the Bills' primary objective was to make the team as profitable as possible. One of Brandon Beane's first acts as GM was to fire most of staff involved in scouting and talent evaluation. Pre-Beane, one of the Bills highest ranked talent evaluators, Tom Modrak, worked part time ... from his home in Philadelphia.
Not all GMs and FOs are created equal.
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2 hours ago, harmonkillebrew said:
Beane has a real tendency for a certain type of player.
Ray Davis is a Zack Moss clone
Coleman isn't too far off from Kelvin Benjamin and Devin Funchess.
None of those guys panned out.
Seems Beane consistently under values speed in skill players. I was hoping we'd come out of this draft faster and more explosive on O, but instead it's more of the usual.
Coleman would have been a decent replacement for Gabe. Similar skill set. Is Samuel supposed to be the Diggs replacement? Hard to see us being better on offense.
Or defense for that matter. They don't seem to have a vision or plan for getting better than the Chiefs. Feels like a reset year.
This post really troubled me because I had a hard time deciding on which emoji to use on it. I settled on "Dislike" but "Vomit", "Eyeroll", "Disagree", and "HaHa" were all good candidates, too. Apparently, the Bills not drafting the prospects they wanted has unhinged numerous members of TSW.
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2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Im absolving GM's from criticism at all, and that criticism is what comes later when you know what players are or aren't after stepping on the NFL field and showing who they are.
I am saying on draft night, these people who have done NONE of the research, no less than 1% what the GM's know and have on these players right now that run around literally coming unhinged on draft night because a guy they "know" wasn't drafted over a guy the "didn't know" is absurd. And citing the one time out of a hundred they guessed right on a past decision using hindsight is 20/20 is even dumber.
Its fine to have favorites, its fine to not know who guys are. But instead of melting down because it wasn't who they expected, maybe go look into that player and see why he was the pick and the kind of player he is instead of starting threads to fire Beane or melting down and whining in every thread because the Bills didn't take a guy a WR at 33 who is actually still on the board in the 4th.
Coleman will be a WR1 for us. What people are not realizing is we are not trying to "replace" Diggs and Gabe, we are building a different style offense all together for what Joe Brady wants to do. We are in now way are trying to get Davis 2.0 and Diggs 2.0 and their focus now is clear about that and Beane has said as much.
Awesome post!
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5 hours ago, FireChans said:
you don’t have access to medicals or interviews. It’s not so much being wrong as not having all the info.
There's much more to it than that as to why fans are wrong on many picks. Even with access to medicals and interviews, teams also are wrong on picks. Success in the draft demands a lot of serious investigation, good instincts about people, and some luck. Draft prospects are not robots, which makes picking A over B a whole more complicated than totaling up Combine performance, YouTube highlight videos, medical reports, interviews, etc. The people evaluating prospects aren't robots either.
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The "crik" vs "creek" thing is something that is endemic in WNY. We don't even think of it, especially people who have never lived outside of the area. Even if you've lived outside of WNY for several years and learned to say "creek", when you move back, it sneaks back into your speech because you hear it all the time. When I lived in Nebraska and the Albany area for more than a decade, I said "creek" but "crik" came back into my everyday speech in a relatively short time.
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47 minutes ago, jkeerie said:
Last night's take was the most illogical opinion I'd ever heard you express, Logic.
In truth...just about anything the Chiefs do pisses me off as a matter of course.
44 minutes ago, Logic said:
Yeah.
It was a combination of me liking Worthy a lot and disliking the Chiefs a lot.
So to sit around for three plus hours eagerly awaiting the Bills pick, then to see that the guy I liked was still on the board, then to see that we traded that pick to the Chiefs, then to see them use that pick to take the player I liked....I was pissed.
Emotions sometimes win out over calm-headed logic. I am human.
I STILL don't love handing a 4.21 receiver to a team we historically can't stop in the playoffs, but I'll live.I don't think that NFL players, coaches or FO staff bring the same emotions to rivalries as fans do. After all, there's only a few hundred players, fewer coaches, and even fewer executives/owners, so they all know their peers. Many, notably players and coaches, frequently change teams. I think the pros' rivalries are more like friendly rivalries between/among siblings or good friends. Antipathy between players or FO personnel is based on personal interactions rather than on the outcomes of games. People who work at Ford don't generally hate people who work at Chevy unless there's some personal bad blood. Fans' rivalries are often tinged with anger, bitterness, envy, frustration, etc. that stem primarily from winning or losing football games. We fans hate the organization, the players, and the coaches -- unless,of course, those who come to our team.
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16 minutes ago, seattlebillsfan said:
That is really unfair to James K. Polk. In 4 short years he seized the entire southwest from Mexico, drastically reduced tariffs, made the English sell the Oregon Territory, and built an independent Treasury Department. Having done all this, he sought no second term! (Source: They Might Be Giants, the James K. Polk song.)
He made "Manifest Destiny" (US spreading all the way to the Pacific) a reality. However, the acquisition of the Mexican territory ignited the battle over expanding slavery into the new territories which eventually resulted in the Civil War. There were more military deaths (600+ K) in the Civil War than in all other US military actions combined, including both World Wars in the 20th century.
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4 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:
I now envision that the 1st pick of the 2nd will be Dejean so they can play him at safety. Then maybe they take a WR with their original 2nd.I just can’t get over trading with KC so they can add an offensive weapon. There had been talk of KC trying to move ahead of the Bills to get a WR ahead of them, but instead the Bills helped them.
You just don’t do that when the other team is one you haven’t been able to beat in the playoffs.
I’ve disagreed in the past with those wanting McD fired. Now, if KC wins a 3rd straight Super Bowl, beating the Bills to get there again, I’d get rid of the whole lot of them.
Will you feel the same if Worthy turns out to be a speedster who can't catch? Then that trade up was a big miss by KC. As MJS has noted, KC hasn't done well developing WRs, and Worthy is going to need considerable development to be successful.
I like AD Mitchell because he seems to be the kind of WR that the Bills want as a WR1 -- speedy but with good size. I would not be upset at Dejean at #33 either. The Bills also have #60 plus KC's late 3rd rounder.
3 hours ago, Figster said:You can't teach the kind of speed Worthy has, but you can turn him into a better route runner and thats exactly what Andy Reid will do with Worthy IMO, unfortunately...
Said every GM defending a reach for a guy with speed but not other traits important for his position ... like Aaron Maybin.
Worthy is a big gamble, much more appropriate to a 2nd or 3rd rounder than even a late first rounder, and KC hasn't shown the ability to develop WRs.
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43 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
Except at receiver
he's absolutely atrocious at evaluating receiver.
Really? Your opinion is based on what exactly? That Beane didn't draft players that you thought he should have? That he didn't trade for a veteran receiver that you like?
In 6 drafts, Beane's hit 2 HRs with receivers, trading the Bills 2020 first rounder (#22) for WR Stefon Diggs and trading up to get TE Dalton Kincaid in 2023. Beane also hit a solid single with WR Gabe Davis in the fourth round of 2020. He also drafted another promising young WR, Khalil Shakir, in the fifth round in 2022.
Beane's WRs
2018 - 6th round - Ray-Ray McCloud
2018 - 7th round - Austin Proehl
2020 - traded 1st round pick to acquire Stefon Diggs
2020 - 4th round - Gabe Davis
2020 - 6th round - Isaiah Hodges#
2021 - 6th round - Marquez Stevenson
2022 - 5th round - Khalil Shakir
2023 - 5th round - Justin Shorter - IR as a rookie
Beane's TEs
2019 - 3rd round - Dawson Knox
2019 - 7th round - Tommy Sweeney
2023 - 1st round - Dalton Kincaid
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6 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:
once a team breaks the bank for a franchise QB, thats when all this kind of stuff starts. 49ers, Phins, Eagles are next on this sh=t storm scenario.
Pretty much. Once a team pays their QB, they can maybe sign 1 other first tier (and expensive) offensive player and 1 first tier (expensive) defensive player. Then they have to make-do with good to decent older veteran players and youngsters on their rookie contracts. If the QB can't make the guys around him better, the team is in deep doodoo.
Mike Brown aside, there's really no way that the Bengals can afford both Chase and Higgins after paying Burrow.
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2 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:
I’m not sure how you can put more blame on the offense than the defense in the KC game. The offense moved the ball pretty consistently against arguably the best defense in the league. Missed FG away from 27 pts.
Meanwhile, the defense forced one punt and was a goal line fumble away from allowing 34 pts in a low possession game. The defense was not successful at all. That was by far the weakest KC offense in the Mahomes era but they looked like one of the best that day.
My point was that despite being crippled by late season injuries to key players, the Bills defense managed to keep the game close while the offense, which was far healthier, had opportunities they missed. I don't really "blame" offense or defense for the KC loss; they rolled snake eyes again against the Chiefs as in 2021.
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28 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
It's nice having a really wealthy owner
It's not a question of "having a really wealthy owner". Every NFL owner is "really wealthy". It's a question of the owner's commitment to winning football games over making larger profits. Mike Brown, like Ralph Wilson, has never been truly committed to winning when winning negatively impacts the team's balance sheet.
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7 hours ago, Einstein said:
Trubisky was a 1st round pick on his rookie contract too. There were no takers.
But forget that for a moment - even when they released him, and it cost NOTHING in trade value to sign him, teams still had little interest. He signed a 1 year $2M deal.
No turnips here.
Even with the Jets picking up half his salary, they are STILL paying him more than we are for Trubisky (2.75 vs 2.5).
It took Chicago four years to decide that they didn't want Trubisky. When they didn't pick up Trubisky's fifth year option, he became a free agent at the end of his fourth season. Trubisky had "no value" because no team was going to give up anything for a guy they could get for nothing. It happens all the time. The Jests decided they didn't want Wilson after his third season, and the Broncos get him for half-price for a season to see if he's worth anything at all.
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On 4/22/2024 at 8:21 PM, Einstein said:
It's not. And the NFL agrees with me.
Trubisky was released by the Steelers as he had no trade value. He has lost 5 of his last 6 games, all of which were games against NON-playoff teams. This, while playing on a Steelers roster that had a winning record when he was NOT the quarterback.
Wilson on the other hand was worthy enough to trade some draft value (albeit small) for. Last year, Zach Wilson beat THREE (3) playoff teams. The Bills, Eagles, and Texans. He also took the Chiefs down to the final minute. He beat more playoffs team last year than Trubisky has beaten in the last five (5) years COMBINED.
I don't want either as a starter, but as for a backup, give me Zach all day, every day over Trubisky. I watched Trubisky hold the Steelers back repeatedly over the last two years. It is my opinion that he is barely deserving of an NFL roster spot.Apples to turnips, dude. A first round QB on his rookie contract always has more "trade value" than any veteran backup QB because a veteran backup is what he is, and there's no GM who thinks he might develop into something better in the right situation. There are always people, even in NFL FOs, who believe that maybe that first round bust was "mishandled" or "needs a change of scenery" or who decide to just take a flyer because the price is so low compared to what he cost his original team in draft capital. Wilson in particular has value to Denver because with the Jests picking up half his salary, he's cheaper than any veteran backup QB they could sign off the street, and given the Broncos' current QB and cap situation, they might get a QB better than anybody else on their roster at a price they can afford.
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6 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
Obvious? My man, we were NOT EVEN CLOSE to being anywhere near a Super Bowl contender last year. Those top 4 teams were playing a different sport than the Bills.
I'm not sure what criteria you use to determine whether a team is a Super Bowl contender, but whatever it is, I doubt that it's based on anything except emotion. The Bills won the AFCE with a 5 game win streak at the end of the season that included wins over the Chiefs, the Cowboys and the Dolphins. In fact, the Bills swept their main AFCE rival, the Fins. They earned the #2 seed in the AFC. They manhandled the Stillers in the wild card round. FTR, the Bills whom you claim were "NOT EVEN CLOSE to being anywhere near a Super Bowl contender" was the only AFC team to play the Chiefs tough down to the closing minutes in the playoffs -- and that with the defense being decimated with injuries so badly that they only started 4 LBs against KC and were missing key DBs as well.
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15 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
We have 7 games against teams ranked in the top-9.
Sooooo?
What's the point of this team's philosophy?
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Actually, it can easily be a problem for any team. At the end of the 2024 SB, the Chiefs' D was gassed and barely summoned up the energy for the next play.