BurpleBull

Or you an honest, English major. 3rd and 6 is not the same as 3rd and 8. Your presentation of info suggests exactly what I stated it did: Bias and a willingness on your part to throw anything related to Nathan Peterman out there with total disregard for facts. You present opinion as if fact and when presented with fact you attempt to do away with the validity of the fact. BurpleBull and Patrick_Duffy, same person, two profiles? Must be, after all, we were both able to point out the same, obvious contradiction found in Mr. Quick-Witted's post during his effort to discredit Peterman.

What exactly was I trying to convince people to believe?

I know what I typed originally and I shortened my response because I realized even that two sentence response, was too much given in response to such a nonsensical assumption. To your question, I responded "Being that we aren't the same person, no' and 'Why would someone create a second profile to express a view?".

Ridiculous.

Peterman didn't face a 3rd and 6 play where he passed short of the sticks. This along with other things you've posted, highlights your general disregard for accuracy when it pertains to Peterman and your obvious bias against him.

"TD Burger Flipper" would work too...he just needs a move to the Washington, D.C. area.

Oh, so now you've moved on to bigger and better things, like determining what questions are and are not relevant in a discussion. I'll go back and pull it up for myself.

You lost me at "Brah". I think this actually serves as a window into your reality. We're halfway through the Preseason!!! Predict who wins the starting QB job for Week 1 Multiple exclamation points ??? Check. Those numbers do in fact reflect reality...brah.

Imagine that, one Peterman supporter and one QB-neutral Bills' fan, we both picked out the same piece in your comment that illustrates Peterman's recognition of the busted play...and of course your take overrides both. You also failed to answer the question I posed in response in to your post: Was the 'stupid 3 yard pass' to a covered receiver on 3rd and 6, before or after he brought the team back through the air? 

This pretty much illustrates the recognition of a defensive weakness.

Agree 100%. Either that or create a 4th team offense and relegate him to it ASAP.

Are you faulting Peterman for recognizing the weakness and exploiting it? Peterman located and exploited weaknesses versus the Panthers' 1st team defense. Is it his fault that he was out there against Bengals' third string defenders who made the job easier for him? Was the 'stupid 3 yard pass' before or after he brought the team back through the air?

Wish he hadn't gotten injured. He seemed like an intriguing prospect and was spoken well of in the Panthers' game. Meanwhile this guy Tyler Davis is still on the roster as a placekicker.

How do Peterman's stats reflect a false reality and what is that false reality? Are you suggesting that more has been added onto Allen's plate than Peterman's by the coaches?

Based on what? The Chargers' game from last year or is it the out route throw? Assuming both are named starters...Nathan Peterman vs. Tyrod Taylor. Right out the gate, I thought Peterman was better at going through his progressions and finding the open man than Taylor. That's kind of important.

Exactly! Nassib sacked Allen but it wasn't him with the penalty, it was another player on the line who got called for a 'hands to the face' penalty to a lineman. If not for the penalty, the Bills' are punting and it's highly unlikely that anyone gets the chance to rave about a long scoring drive that Allen ended with a TD...at least not on that series. Furthermore, on that drive although Allen made some nice completions, it was Marcus Murphy who accounted for much of the drive's yards. Do you really think his anti-Peterman supporters haven't gone back to scrutinize the game and the numbers? They have. They just won't present any evidence that will take away from Allen's great, but somewhat of an illusion of a performance.

I think the fact that Peterman is 24 years-old vs. 27 years-old, no frills to his game, yet very solid, is exactly why people are quick to dismiss or downplay a solid showing from him. Folks don't want there to be any challenge to Allen's throne...certainly not from another QB just two years his senior. When would 9-10/ 116 yds 1 TD and 8-10/ 113 yds 1 TD performances be accepted as solid outings from anyone outside of Josh Allen? If those stat lines came from an almost thirty-year-old, veteran 'bridge' QB, signed on a two-year deal. When wouldn't they? The answer is obvious.

Just as you've cemented the fact that you're quick to make the snarky comment. Allen is the subject in that discussion, not Peterman.

It's not that I don't know the difference between the throws, I just know when someone is talking up a QB's 'superior arm talent' by highlighting his capability to make all the throws, especially the difficult-to-make, rare, and/or important ones. Never heard of a bad pass that was 'on the money' until now. You would deem Scott Norwood's 'wide right' FGA 'on the money' if he switched places with Josh Allen and he kicked it. Bills' still lose by a point, but hey, the kick was on the money.

You've split one thing, "can make all the throws", into many parts for the sake of creating multiple points...it's very clear. As clear as your bias against Peterman and favor of Allen. How the heck can a pass be deemed "on the money" if out of bounds? Getting kind of ridiculous.

1,2, and 3...can make all the throws. 5,7, and 8...he's athletic. 9...what's the criteria of a QB that doesn't know down and distance?

Glad you got your swagger back...far cry from your tone just a week ago. Allen's physical gifts are a reality and were never in question; Allen had a great game and showed great potential, but I won't get lost in any illusions. Your best bet in having Allen declared starting QB right now, as many of these media figures have suddenly began prescribing, is that McDermott and/or Daboll get lost in the buzz from last night and deviate from their level-headed, uninfluenced by media, patient approach on bringing Allen along. Two games to go. Here's another take on the reality of last night's game: The Bills' Allen and Peterman played well in the preseason win over Cleveland AJ McCarron got hurt and could be out of the quarterback competition (WGR 550) - When it comes to the Bills quarterbacks, Josh Allen and Nathan Peterman showed very well in Buffalo’s preseason victory over Cleveland. AJ McCarron led the first four Buffalo drives of the night and went three-and-out in all four of them. The Buffalo News is reporting that McCarron suffered a hairline fracture of his right collarbone. All Sean McDermott would say it his quarterback hurt his right shoulder. During his four drives, McCarron was hit a lot and completed just 3-of-6 passes for 12 yards. It seemed to me like when he did have time to throw the ball, he didn’t want to because he was afraid of a mistake. That was evident on a 3rd down, where he had both Zay Jones and Jeremy Kerley open coming across the field for a first down, but he just looked at them and decided to run. He was afraid he might get intercepted. Allen was certainly up to the challenge of playing with the first-team offense. They were all out there except for LeSean McCoy and Charles Clay. By this time in the second quarter, Cleveland had taken its first-team defense off the field, but I don’t think it matters. Allen led three drives and scored on all three of them. The first was an extremely impressive 15-play, 80-yard drive that ate up 11:05 off the clock. I just think that needs to be emphasized, Allen put together a drive that took up most of the second quarter! One of the things I’ve liked about Allen in the preseason is he doesn’t get flustered. On his second play, the play didn’t get communicated to him fast enough, but he kept his wits and called a timeout. In the whole 15-play drive, the Bills only had to convert two 3rd downs and one was a gift when the Browns Gerald Avery got called for illegal use of hands. Allen converted a 3rd-and-2 from the Bills 28 hitting Andre Holmes for seven. The Bills mixed in a short passing game which saw Allen complete passes to tight end Khari Lee three times. Marcus Murphy helped the cause with four carries for 39 yards. Chris Ivory ran the ball twice for six yards. The touchdown came from the two-yard line and Allen couldn’t have played it any better. The QB sidestepped the rush and stepped up in the pocket. By this time, Rod Streater was coming across the back of the end zone and Allen found him for the score. Before half time, Murphy returned a punt 39-yards to the Browns 41. The runningback had broken into the clear, but got tripped up by the last possible Brown. Allen did some scrambling in this drive and quite honestly, showed some elusiveness. He got the ball to the 15 with seven seconds left in the half. McDermott didn’t want to chance one more play and kicked a field goal. It’s preseason, I don’t understand why the head coach goes conservative there. Yes, Buffalo is out of timeouts, but wouldn’t it help the kid’s development to run a quick play to the end zone. If time happens to run out, who cares? Its preseason and he would have some valuable experience. Allen got the first drive of the second half and had good field position at the Buffalo 44. Two runs and three passes got the ball into Browns territory which set up a 53-yard Stephen Hauschka field goal. Allen ended 9-of-13 for 60 yards and a score. Probably the biggest mistake I thought he made was right before the half when he scrambled for six yards and a first down. He cut the play up field instead of heading for the sideline. He had to spike the ball and the Bills lost valuable seconds and probably one more crack at the end zone. In two games I’ve just really liked the poise of this rookie. He seems OK with staying within himself which was evident on the 11 minute drive. As I do every week it needs to be pointed out that neither team game planned for this game and preseason can fool you. Peterman did a very nice job of bringing the Bills back after they fell behind. Peterman missed his first two passes and then completed 8-of-8 for 113 yards and a 35-yard touchdown to Nick O’Leary. That drive went 75-yards after the Browns had taken a four point lead. Early in the drive, Peterman had hooked up with O’Leary for a 29-yard gain. I have been reading a lot about O’Leary this week that he’s falling behind Clay, Lee and Jason Croom on the depth chart. The one thing I’ll say about O’Leary is he’s a gamer. It just seems like when a play needs to be made, the Bills quarterbacks look for him. If the report on McCarron is correct, he will miss some time. Both Peterman and Allen have played well in the two preseason games. Allen has seemed OK with everything that has been thrown at him, but the one thing that hasn’t been thrown at him is a game plan. It’ll be fun to see how this progresses.

Note how there are no complaints being made about the talent level Peterman was placed in the game with, as last man in. No arguments about the third-team O-line or WR group being the cause of Peterman not being able to operate at optimum level, as was the case for Josh Allen in his first game.

Thanks Kelly the Dog.

I might dispute this, and as for those "ten qualities"?