[What is your level of patience on not advancing to the Super Bowl?]

45% of this board wants to fire the coach? y'all nuts??? is 45% of this board under the age of 6???? because it's the only logical explanation.

[Personnel Talk - PBM edition]

5 hours ago, WNYFAN1 said:

This is the major problem with this team. Far too much cap space devoted to players that contribute at a level far below their cap number would warrant.

 

Now that the QB contract has really kicked in, you can't get away without cap efficiency. Bills are the opposite of cap-efficient. This is really difficult to overcome.

 

I think this is why we see teams making the hard decision to let guys go when they become too expensive. Even if the guy is a monster, it's a huge gamble considering the injury risk in football. Your $20M a year player isn't worth anything if he's rehabbing. 

[Gabe plans to test free agency]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Gabe Davis is the Ryan Fitzpatrick of wide receivers. He’ll wow you with a big game and follow it up w/ a complete stinker dropping everything. The 13 second game was phenomenal, but I attribute a lot of that to the attention they were giving Diggs. 

 

He played some great games for us. WR is also a position that can be feast or famine from game to game. I think certainly there are upgrades from Gabe Davis, but there are a lot of downgrades also. All that said, they haven't handed him an extension, and it looks like he'll be walking in free agency. I see him as another Tremaine Edmunds - probably not worth his "market value."

[Tyler Bass Contract]

I blame Taylor Swift. Poor guy lost his focus with her swooshing around in the booth.

[Fake Slide should be 15 yard penalty]

Definitely not a fake slide. That being said, sliding (or the right of the QB to slide) DOES put defenders in a difficult position. They’re trying to stop the guy, but have to be careful. I can imagine that maybe JA doesn’t make that touchdown run if the defenders didn’t have to at least consider a slide coming.
 

I also frequently see defenders awkwardly diving over sliding quarterbacks to avoid the late hit, which always looks like injury risk to me.  All that said, it’s an observation and I don’t personally see a solution or rule adjustment possibility. Take away the QBs right to slide and he’s gonna get his head taken off.

[The Bills And The NFL Need To Take Care of Their People.]

2 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

I disagree.  That's really up to the company's leadership.  There are good and bad businesses to work for from an employee perspective.  I'm a peon in the grand scheme of things, but my employer has a 7.5 hour workday, I get 4 weeks paid vacation, another week of Care time, good healthcare, can take off anytime I need to on short notice, great office culture, etc.  Good employees will flee a company that doesn't take care of them.

 

Glad to hear you're well taken care of where you are. I wasn't defending poor and underpaid employee treatment AT ALL. More or less stating reality of a system and general ideology that's most places.

[The Bills And The NFL Need To Take Care of Their People.]

This sums up the downside of capitalism. Everything is supply and demand. No matter how rich a company is, they pay the lowest they can to achieve the ends to a mean. So basically as long as people will take this job for $15 an hour, they will pay $15 an hour. If they can’t get people, they will raise it.

The higher profits, the more successful the corporation considers itself, as well as outside observers.

 

EDIT: Since I received so many barf emojis. My comment was neither an anti-capitalism post, nor a pro-corporation, strap-up your boots argument either. I'm fully in support of "taking care of your people." Everyone's interpretation of "being taken care of" is going to be subjective, however. This is just my view as to how the vast majority of companies are going to operate -  in their own best interest, and paying employees "market-rate."

[Do you tell the team the outcome of Jags/Titans?]

1 hour ago, loyal2dagame said:

Yes vote here. 

Play loose, unleash the dogs. I want scortched earth Josh Allen tonight.  Break their will,  then break their dorsal fins.

 

this. I think they celebrate and have a blast tonight. And I think they trash the fins just like Baltimore did.

 

I can imagine McDermott telling them to go out and just have fun, and if they lose they get a do-over back in Miami next week lol.

[Remove Divisions in NFL]

7 hours ago, bobobonators said:

But that’s the thing, under the current system every team does not have to go through the same system to get to the Super Bowl. As an example, we could look at the division that draws the NFC South vs a team in a division that draws the AFC East. Imagine you are the Chargers and next year you drew all AFC East teams vs being the Texans who draw all NFC South teams. Who would you rather play an additional 4 games? It’s not the same system - it’s not even close. And that’s not even addressing the remaining fact that some teams play in crappy divisions vs teams that play in stacked divisions. 
 

Playing under the same system, as you say, would eliminate the current divisional format and have 2 conferences where everyone plays each other 1x. No schedule bias, no luck of drawing a crappy division to play that season, and certainly no more 8-7-1 teams hosting a playoff game while a 10-6 team stays home. 

This is not a novel idea. Because I didn’t post it years ago doesn’t remove merit from the idea now. 

 

Oh, I see, you're saying everyone just plays the regular season in their own conference. Essentially like two different leagues during the season. Yeah that's more equally competitive in terms of who makes the playoffs for sure. I still think though if you're Super Bowl worthy, you should be able to make the playoffs regardless of strength of schedule....and if you don't...well then you're not Super Bowl worthy hahaha.

 

I would still keep the divisions for the fun of it. I've always loved having the special division games during the season that have extra importance, and also the rivalries between the clubs. Some of that I'm sure is nostalgia, but ultimately sports is just there to entertain us anyhow. haha

[Remove Divisions in NFL]

I like the fun of the division rivalries, and would be sad to see that go away. I don't think it's a worthwhile elimination on the grounds of "fairness." No matter how you slice it, sports are never truly fair, and every team still has to go through the same system to get to the Super Bowl. Even if you eliminate the divisions, some teams are going to have easy schedules, hard schedules, etc...

[The Great Chicken Wing Debate .]

1 hour ago, msw2112 said:

Wings not being crispy is the worst.  Something that can be so good is rendered so disgusting....I prefer traditional Buffalo wings:  not breaded, fried to a crisp, and in butter/Frank's sauce.  I have come around to enjoying other "wings" (garlic parmesan, BBQ, lemon pepper, baked, smoked, etc.) but they are not "Buffalo" wings and will never be.  I am able to make pretty good ones in an air fryer and found that to be a pleasant surprise.  See image below and note that I didn't have any celery on hand that day....When I was in grad school several years ago, my buddies and I went out and bought a countertop deep fryer to make wings and despite all the oil, those were not as crispy as I can create in an air fryer.  I think that to get a real crisp using oil, you need a restaurant/commercial standard deep fryer.

I just wrote a post about it, and my home wings are crispy as hell. Faults I can think of are: 1. Not dabbing the wings with paper towels before tossing them in (they should be as dry as possible), 2. Bad oil - I recommend peanut.

[The Great Chicken Wing Debate .]

I live in Europe and the best you can get here are from a local hard rock chain, so yeah not very good lol. I started making my own wings during the pandemic, first deep frying in a pot and then eventually buying a deep fryer. The one I got was 80 bucks or so and works really well, it also has a compartment below to drain the oil when you’re done. I use peanut oil and my wings are kick ass. Funny we’re talking about wing size, because over here the default size is TINY, lol. It’s hard for me to find a wing that would even be considered “small” back home.

[Zach Ertz released, BRING HIM HOME]

On 12/3/2023 at 7:47 PM, Araiza Curse said:

As long as 5 are on the line of scrimmage and they aren’t eligible to receive, then technically yes it’s legal. 7 have to be on the line, but 2 are alway eligible. 

 

well seems like an innovative and logical formation then....

[Zach Ertz released, BRING HIM HOME]

Is it possible and/or legal to run 10 TE sets - 1QB plus 10 Tight ends? Asking for a friend…..

[Von Miller faces arrest in domestic violence case in Dallas]

4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

You called these three things (from @Bob Jones ) speculation:

 

1. Apparently, sometime during the melee, she started recording on her phone and then put it in her pocket, so that recording will take precedence over what they both say now.

2. Also, there's the matter of the cops seeing injuries on her body shortly after the fight.

3. And in Texas, it doesn't matter if the victim does not want to cooperate, they can & will prosecute the case if they feel that they have enough evidence.

 

By definition, these things are not speculation. I'm keeping up just fine, thanks.

I suppose the speculation would be what the recording holds, what the injuries look like, and if it can be proved that these injuries came from the altercation.

 

Btw as I jump into this mid-argument, to be clear I don’t have any opinion on whether or not Von Miller is a violent SOB or not. I hope he’s not, but if he is he should be held accountable

[O'Cyrus Torrence.....A pretty solid rookie season?? Plus, thoughts on Beane.]

4 hours ago, Success said:

It's something about the way we develop players (we tend to be slow in getting some rookies involved) - but one thing that is clear to me is that Beane's picks sometimes need time.  Epenesa is a great example. Oliver was sort of underachieving until this past year  I think most here had written Bernard off.

 

Which is why I'm not so quick to write off 22-year-old Elam.  I think he probably was hampered by injury a bit this year, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him start for us next year.

 

Agreed on Torrence - he has made some mistakes recently, but it's easy to see that he's a good lineman and was a good pick for us.

 

I think some of that has to do with McD too. Seems like he’s on the tougher end of “you have to earn it.”

 

with Elam, Beane and McD seem to have hinted at a loss of confidence. Which would be an explanation for the talented guy sitting on the bench.

[Asked before...... But any "wow" catches this year by a Bills receiver???]

4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Has Davis drawn a PI this year?  Watched Thursday's games and PI after PI and chunk yardage too.

Still is it too much to  ask for a few a year and 1-2 big situations?

 

I'll say Diggs catch vs. Detroit Thanksgiving 2022 and holding on being clocked would count as the one I remember.

I suppose the question would be then, are there any “drops” you can think of that could have been spectacular catches? I mean as a fan they’re definitely fun to see. I was just saying that I don’t think those are really planned in this offense in terms of jump balls and the like,  but yeah it’s weird that there haven’t been any “incidental” wild catches lol.

[Has Josh Allen reached his ceiling?]

On 11/26/2023 at 2:43 AM, PatsFanNH said:

They can still be very good or even elite after that window. I mean Manning’s arm was shot and he still played well enough to win a SB with the broncos. 

Absolutely

[Von Miller faces arrest in domestic violence case in Dallas]

Court of public opinion is always a mess. The media always goes for the most sensational story, and then you get the he said she said. I’m absolutely no fan of domestic violence, but none of us knows a damn thing about what went on in that house. And we probably never will know!!

[Asked before...... But any "wow" catches this year by a Bills receiver???]

Generally speaking we don’t really have those kinds of receivers. Diggs is really a master of the position, with fantastic technique and focus. But he’s not one of those athletic jumping freaks with huge range. Kincaid could surely pluck some crazy balls though if Josh throws it up that way. All that being said, I think Josh has worked like crazy in his offseasons to be able to place the ball right where it should be, and doesn’t seem like he attempts wild jump balls, which could be due to philosophy, the guys we have playing receiver, or both, 

[Has Josh Allen reached his ceiling?]

On 11/23/2023 at 4:04 AM, PatsFanNH said:

Omg I am not even a Bills fan but GOD NO! He is still young and just entered his prime and he IMO doesn’t have an elite O around him. You give him 2 good WR, a good TE and he could break records. 
 

Now if you want championships, he needs a consistent Defense, a defense that can bail him out when he is just having a bad game. 

this. I would add every athlete’s ceiling is that window of the time where they are young enough to have all their athleticism, but experienced enough to know what to do with it (assuming no major injuries). For a quarterback, that’s about 10 years in. 

[JA17 removed from Madden cover?]

1 minute ago, Low Positive said:

It's a special digital cover for season 3 of Ultimate Team. Josh was the cover athlete for season 1 and on the disc version of the game. Randy Moss was the cover athlete for the digital version during season 2. If you go to Target and buy a disc version, Josh Allen is still on that.

 

I see. So, planned basically.

[JA17 removed from Madden cover?]

2 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

1.  That's Michael Vick

2.  No

 

ok now that I see it’s Michael Vick, I’m even more confused. Huhhhhhh?

[JA17 removed from Madden cover?]

So I just got an email about Madden 24 being on sale, and all the cover images for the digital version have Bijan Robinson. - correction it’s Michael Vick. Huh????

 

my questions are:

 

1. has this happened before?

 

2. is it because JA hasn’t met Madden expectations? Or is this like a planned cover rotation?

 

3. does this mean the Madden curse has been lifted and he’ll start balling out again?

 

thanks for your attention…..

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Does Anyone Miss Daboll and Frazier?]

23 minutes ago, WinterSoldier17 said:

Definitely miss Daboll. Whether you like him or not, this offense was drastically different (explosive) under his watch.
 

He had answers, made adjustments, and most importantly Josh Allen thrived under his tutelage and tough love.

 

We all knew we were going to lose Daboll. Personally I was disappointed that he wasn't around for a couple more years since things were going so well, particularly the development of JA as you pointed out.

 

And I guess I'm in the minority around here regarding Leslie Frazier. I thought he was a terrific coordinator, and an all-around calm and stable presence on the team. I'm not ready to toss him under the bus just because of a couple of bad moments in big games. That defense was very consistent. Sure, it's more fun as a fan to watch an "attacking" defense, but it doesn't necessarily yield the best results.

 

I would absolutely bet that the coaching turnover has been a difficult adjustment for this team, and we would be rolling better with the other two guys. I would also bet that McD pulling double duty as head coach and D-Coordinator is NOT easy, and a competitive disadvantage. The guy is probably exhausted. That all said, these coaching changes happen to every team and you simply just have to keep moving on and find the way.