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Just now, Tiberius said:
Between this and the candidates getting tossed from the ballot for fraud, I'd ask what's in the water in Michigan, but I think we already know the answer to that...
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2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:
The idea is the crime would never have occurred without the FBI being involved in the initiation and planning of the scheme.
Its like you're in a bar and two undercover cops come up to you and start buying you drinks. You've had enough and decide to leave but before that they offer you the title to a new Corvette and the keys. All for free. No strings attached. You wonder how this could be but you take it. You leave the bar driving off in the new Vette and a mile down the road you see red and blue flashing lights behind you. You pull over and the same two cops give you a roadside sobriety test which you fail, take you to the station where you fail a breathalyzer test and book you for DUI. Did you do it? Yes you did. But would it have happened with them? Well there's the dispute. That's how the FBI works. Manufacturing crimes and then solving them. Like a window repair company breaking windows.
So the argument is that Ray Epps was an FBI informant and but for him, the insurrection wouldn't have happened?
Seems like a stretch...
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Is the argument here that the insurrection was actually organized and lead by the FBI? And that poor innocent people were tricked into storming the Capitol by the FBI?
The FBI does some shady crap with undercover informants, but it's hard for me to buy this line that an FBI informant would somehow excuse people for their actions.
Let's say the Bills finally win the Super Bowl and we all go to downtown Buffalo for the parade. And then there are a handful of people who yell "let's storm city hall!" and they go to break into city hall. Are you following them in? I certainly am not. And anyone who does should be investigated and prosecuted for the appropriate crimes. Saying "well, this guy said we should do it" probably isn't going to fly in court.
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After several candidates were removed from the Michigan gubernatorial ballot due to fraudulent petitions, one of the remaining candidates was just arrested:
The Michigan race is just bonkers at this point.
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29 minutes ago, Irv said:
Joke Biden's ridiculous socialist experiments have directly ruined the economy. Blame COVID. Sorry. That's over. Blame Putin? Sorry. Putin was scared shitless of Trump. You must be living under a rock or smoking one with Hunter the Oil Magnate. What a mess.
Is your argument that the United States is experiencing worse inflation and a worse economy that other rich countries? If the problems were caused by Joe Biden, then we would expect to see the US doing worse than our peers, right?
Also, the idea that Putin was scared shitless of Trump is laughable. Maybe shirtless though.
And with the Hunter reference, we have now achieved the PPP trifecta on ignoring the thread topic with whataboutism distractions.
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6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:
And there's our problem right there. When mental health causes twice as many deaths via firearms (how many suicides use other means?) this NEEDS to be the major focus of any gun legislation.
Agreed. We don't have one gun problem, we have many gun problems: suicides, homicides, mass murders, accidents, etc. A law that mitigates one of them likely won't mitigate all of them.
90% of people who survive suicide attempts do not end up dying by suicide. But people who attempt suicide by firearm are far more likely to die than survive because it is an exceedingly lethal method of suicide.
Finding ways to reduce the chance that someone in that moment of crisis will have access to a firearm would be a good place to start.
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Just now, Jauronimo said:
When was the executive branch ever in charge of gas and grocery prices?
Everyone seems to think there are dials on the resolute desk for things like gas prices.
Like, all Jimmy Carter had to do to save his presidency in the 1970's was take the lever marked "economy" and move it from "bad" to "good."
The line of argument might be more convincing if the prices in the US were disproportionately high compared to other countries, but they are not.
It is also telling that no matter the actual thread topic, it ends up getting derailed into either inflation, the summer of 2020, or Hunter Biden.
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1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:
Chef….by page 353….we should be beyond talking points. I’d like to hear more specific proposals. Like, what kind of background checks and for who and when?
Here were some things I suggested several pages ago:
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License and regulate guns like we do automobiles
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National red flag laws
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Repeal PLCCA
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Safe storage laws
Also, I find this article helpful on understanding some of the facts around gun violence and possible ways to mitigate it: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/06/opinion/how-to-reduce-shootings.html
For those who may not have access, here are some highlights (stats are from 2017):
- America has ~120 guns per 100 people, far more than other advanced countries like Canada (34.7), Switzerland (27.6) or England (4.6)
- America has 3.4 gun murders per 100,000 people, much more than peer countries like Canada (0.6), France (0.4) or Switzerland (0.2)
- There is a correlation between the prevalence of guns in a state and the rate of gun deaths. More guns means more gun deaths
- There is also a correlation between how heavily regulated guns are in a state and the state's gun death rate. States with stricter regulations have lower rates of gun deaths
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Causes of gun deaths in 2016:
- 22,000: Suicide
- 11,760: Homicide
- 589: Self defense (good guy with a gun scenario)
- 456: Mass shootings
- 3,500: Other or uncategorized
- When Connecticut passed stricter gun laws in 1995, the rate of gun homicides went down by 40% and the rate of gun suicides went down by 15%
- When Missouri repealed its licensing requirement in 2007, the rate of gun homicides went up 25% and the rate of gun suicides went up 16%
- The CDC barely studies gun violence despite how many Americans die via guns. When they wanted to, Congress cut their funding. Having good scientific research into firearm deaths would help identify better solutions to the problem.
- NRA training, which used to focus almost entirely on safety, now promote NRA talking points
Some things the author suggests for gun laws:
- Better background checks (22% of guns are obtained without one)
- Protection Orders (similar to red flag laws): prevent people who are subject to domestic violence protection orders from having guns
- Ban purchases for people under 21
- Safe storage
- Tighter enforcement on straw purchases
- Background checks on ammunition
- Repeal PLCCA
- Ban bump stocks (this has been done since the article came out)
- Research smart guns
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To ensure safety, we need to pass a law that the family members of all SCOTUS justices must be fully armed and that their homes have only one door.
The assailant here clearly had mental issues that could only be solved if we allowed him to buy more guns.
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4 hours ago, LeviF said:
Feds aren't cops.
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We need to pass a law that the homes of SCOTUS justices can only have one door to keep them safe from this.
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45 minutes ago, T master said:
NO Way man it was all Trump he started it and told them all to storm the capital & destroy what ever they could do because of what he believed how could it be any one other than him these were full grown adults that can make decisions on their own but that dam Trump was the cause we all know it right ?
Well at least that;s what the media told me & it was on the internet so it must be true ...
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2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:
We do agree that summer 2020 was much worse, in many more places, to many more people, where police fought for a lot more several hours. Once again we likely have come to an impasse because you are either ignorant or can't see the forest for the trees
I am a bit confused because when I look at this thread’s title, it seems to be about the Jan 6 insurrection, not the summer of 2020.
Either I have that wrong, or people keep bringing up 2020 as a distraction from actually talking about Jan 6…
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2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:
It's ALL on the Democrat/CCP Covid lockdown - ALL OF IT
They already told you to mask up for monkeypox
It doesn't matter if it isn't codified law. The use of the "variants!" to frighten and divide this country is pathetically disgusting and Un American
Masks should be BANNED
Their purpose is to promote fear and thus increase control and power.
Cool. You agree their solution is buy electric. Or, a giant middle finger to America and a sop to Big Green.
All liberals are racist.
They are calling for gun bans
They will get challenged in lib courts with the "correct" judges....and put the 2nd Amendment at risk.
The Left is not hiding the fact they will ban them all
They kill babies. Period.
You see those numbers 1-6 in my post?
The opposite of all that.
That's the platform.
This is some of the most unhinged nonsense I’ve ever heard in my life. I sincerely hope you are ok and that there is somebody in your life that can help you.-
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6 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:
Seriously compare the damage done on January 6th to the riots of 2020- unless you had a huge amount of suicides from what happened across the country then this is nonsense. And please only speak for your side when you state "we" ask too much. I defend cops 95% of the time against liberals. January 6th lasted less than 3 hours, nothing was burned down, few people attacked the cops, and if that is what sent that guy over the edge I feel bad but there was a lot more going on with him than that day.
This may come as a surprise to some of the people on this board, but the summer of 2020 and January 6th, 2021 were completely different things experienced by different people in different ways. Comparisons between them are generally just whataboutism crap from people who either don’t understand reality or are acting in bad faith.
In any case, roughly 80 officers were injured as they fought off assault for several hours during the January 6th riots.
I do not know if you are one of those ACAB people, but personally I do not dismiss the harm that came to the police on that day.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:
You think police officers committed suicide because of that event? I am not sure how to react to that except assume you don't have any friends who are cops. Cops don't kill themselves over crap like that, if they did the summer of 2020 would have had a ton of suicide.
I absolutely believe it, just as the police department and the family of the deceased cops believe it: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna19433I also have friends who are cops and I think we ask FAR too much of them and put them in bad situations that they may not be able to handle. Jan 6. is no different. Cops are humans. They are not superheroes. They are people trying to do their best at a job that often involves conflict. They were not prepared for the violence on Jan 6 and even those that survived have to deal with trauma. Some of them were unable to do so and took their own lives.
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3 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:
Besides the death of Ashli Babbitt who died? I know it messes with your world view but she is the only one.
Ashli Babbitt died on the scene, killed by police while while the rioters tried to breach a door. That alone should be enough.
There were also a couple of heart attacks and at least one person who died of a stroke. While those may have been underlying conditions, it stands to reason that they may not have died that day had they not been at the scene.
Also, more than one police officer died by suicide after experiencing the riot.
You cannot handwave Babbit's death away. The heart attack / stroke deaths are debatable. But, I would argue that the riot was the "but-for" cause of the suicides.
In any event, people died because of the riots, dozens of police officers were assaulted and the certification of the election was interrupted. It was a stain on our history. However it may have started, it was not a peaceful protest.
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1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
must hurt to realize you and he are the same huh?@Tiberius You have a golden toilet and bankrupted a bunch of casinos???
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13 minutes ago, B-Man said:
A 2 hour protest turned riot is not an insurrection.
No matter how many times you repeat it.
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They literally breached the Capitol building. Broke into the offices of members of Congress. Interrupted the certification of the election.
People died.
I get it messes with your worldview, but to handwave this away as basically nothing is irresponsible.
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On 6/5/2022 at 9:52 AM, Big Blitz said:
Their message couldn't be any stronger:
1. Inflation is Putin's fault (nothing is Brandon's fault)
2. Covid forever - mask and vax up
3. Buy an electric car
4. America is more racist then ever
5. We want to take ALL your guns
6. Abort kids up thru birth
The Democrats 2022.
Much of this is completely made up garbage.
- I'll give you this one. While we can debate how much inflation was created by whom, but Biden is clearly trying to push the blame to Putin, who is responsible for some, but definitely not all, of the inflation.
- I've seen Republicans claim over and over that the Dems want people to wear masks all of the time forever. This is a garbage straw man claim and when you push them on it, they move the goal posts around by trying to equate their claim to things like masking when there is a spike, or promoting regular vaccines. The whole thing is clearly a disingenuous gambit by hacks.
- You can have this one too. Moving to electric cars will be a net positive for everyone and we should encourage growth, competition, and development in that market.
- We literally had slaves. Like for hundreds of years. I'm sure there are some Very Online lefties who make this claim, but is there actually polling or evidence that Democrats as a whole believe we are more racist now than when we literally enslaved people? Or is this just another straw man anecdote pushed by bad faith actors?
- Absolutely ridiculous claim that can only be believed by people who have so much isolated themselves from reality that they'll believe literally anything that makes them feel good or makes their perceived enemies look bad. Please point to the legislation drafted by the Dems and supported by the party that confiscates all guns.
- Another garbage take that completely misconstrues the facts. Late term abortions are a hot topic because it sounds really bad until you actually think about it. The claim being made is that someone will carry a baby for 8 months and then suddenly decide they don't want it and get an abortion. This is completely unbelievable to anyone who knows anyone who has been pregnant. When an abortion occurs in the third trimester, it's usually because the baby is wanted but there has been some development that endangers the life of the mother or the baby is no longer viable. In these cases, they probably have a name picked out and a nursery decorated with a crib waiting. Banning abortions in this scenario is to say the government knows better how to handle this than the woman and her doctor. It would seem to me that keeping the government out of this situation would be the small "c" conservative approach, but once again, none of this is about actual policy. It's about putting out bad faith arguments to rile people up.
I would critique the GOP platform but... they don't have one. They decided that the GOP line is whatever their God King wants it to be. When the head of the RNSC actually came up with a platform, it was so unpopular that the GOP vocally distanced themselves from it. They have replaced it with... nothing.
In reality, the plan is to use bad faith and straw man arguments to rile people up so that they can enact their real goals of transferring wealth from working Americans to their corporate and donor overlords. Which, by the way, is why basically everything they do propose fails a basic root cause analysis (i.e. supply side tax cuts or preventing shootings by having fewer doors).
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Don't forget assaulting police officers while waving a Blue Lives Matter flag.
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1 minute ago, unbillievable said:
Imagine a world where taking selfies was enough to overthrow a government.
Imagine a world where breaking into the Capitol building and assaulting cops is dismissed as "taking selfies"
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4 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:
And in here as well for the morons who've been played willingly.
Because the crime of seditious conspiracy does not require guns? This isn't hard. They are charged with a specific crime. If you want to know what that means, look up the law: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384
If you want to play media critic and tell people off for how they cover this stuff, go ahead. I'm probably with you on that.
But making up some standard that has no basis in the law and then mocking people for not meeting that arbitrary standard is a pretty weak approach to all of this.
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18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
It’d be so much better if people attempted to overturn the results of an election the old fashioned way: make up false stories about a sitting President, circulate those stories to the media and FBI, and then hold an impeachment trial based on the narrative. 👍
Even if that’s what happened, that would not be overturning an election. It would be influencing the voters before the election.
Trying to change the results after the election to nullify the voice of the people is a bit different.
Leader and Members of the Proud Boys Indicted for Seditious Conspiracy
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Holy hell. THAT is your logic here?!
By this logic, Trump is responsible for the Afghan-Pakistan skirmish in 2017, the Armenian-Azerbajani war in 2018, among others.
FDR must be responsible for WWII. If he was a stronger president, Hitler would never have invaded Poland in 1939.
If only Woodrow Wilson was a stronger president, WWI would never have happened.
I didn't realize that George W. Bush was responsible for the war in Darfur and the war in Somalia.
"Wars started during a US president's term are automatically their fault" is a galactic brain version of "the president of the US controls global gas prices"
Maybe open a book on international relations or something before embarrassing yourself. Or even read some of the intellectual discussion on the ongoing Ukraine - Russia conflict and its causes (and not some hackery found on the Federalist or Red State or some other partisan clickbait site).