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Now show how many teams won scoring 18 points or less. In most of those losing efforts where the D gave up 24+ points they had the same thing in common... the offense was not scoring and turning over the football. A defense can only do so much when the offense keeps putting them back on the field. I don't care about the clock. The clock changes to be normal ToP with just one 5 minute drive by the offense instead of turning the football over after 14 seconds. Our offense gave them two extra possessions. Again, the defense stopped the Bengals 6 times. They scored 3 points the entire second half. Our offense did nothing until mid 4th quarter. The game wasn't even close before last min offense. The offense was the problem this game not the defense. Now I am done with you because we are just going in circles and you haven't retorted anything.

I only say ancient history because as far as I'm concerned we have a break point. Daboll's offense and Dorsey's offense. Some people want to think they are one in the same but they are not. There are clear differences in how the offense is run. The personnel isn't even the same.

Yes, when you leave your current job to go to a new job you quit your job. That isn't saying anything bad. I guess you could call it left your job or gave your notice at your job. It's still quit your job. Unless maybe the contract ran out and you can say parted ways. Or you get fired because they don't want you. In that case, they didn't quit.

I'm sure it had something to do with the rift between McD and Daboll. They obviously hate each other. You can tell from end of the Giants game. They sought to stay away from each other. McD may want balance but he isn't that deeply involved on the offense. The design and the playcalls are Dorsey. I can envision it though: "If you wouldn't have scored that td so fast then I wouldn't have had to worry about those 13 seconds." How about just this year and not some ancient history? Dolphins, Commanders, Raiders. Those 3 teams we blew out. The other 6 games this season were all nailbiters win or lose.

The offense could have overcome 24 points by scoring on ANY of the 6 drives they were given. Thats nowhere near having to "play a perfect game." If you can't score once out of 6 drives then that's the problem. That same one drive takes 5 mins and suddenly the ToP is only two minutes difference. You know jack all about football. That is not a lot for an offense to overcome at all. Not even sure why you are including "that featured 4 timeouts (1 injury, 1 Bills TO, 1 Bengals TO, and the 2 minute warning)." because that doesn't add to ToP on the game clock. If anything it gives our D a rest so its a good thing. Our offense sure didn't give em any rest.

It was a worse throw than decision imo. Only because he could have made a completion there with a better throw. However, he should have just gone to Diggs as Davis had a small window of room. The thing is though, we can't expect this team to move the field 3-4 yards at a time. Sometimes you have to have the chunk play. No team in the league is going to consistently score on 12+ play drives just "taking what the defense gives you." If the play is there to be made then he needs to take it once in a while. Even if it's lowere percentage.

Oh god not more epa garbage. Wake the hell up. IDGAF what our epa says. We scored 18 points. EPA don't mean jack. 18 points and two turnovers. You pull out epa. If anything epa should show you this week is that epa is garbage and doesn't reflect what actually happened.

good stuff. We are fine though. EPA and all that jazz efficiency stuff.

It's not just this week. It's the same plays every week regardless of opponent. This is why the Bills offense is so predictable. An opposing team can watch one week and see the same concepts from all the other weeks.

IMO (still) Dorsey is the problem Edit: sorry @HappyDays I just noticed you posted this in the Dorsey thread. I didn't see it because sometimes when I click a thread it skips a page or two that I haven't read yet. Mods can delete if they want.

Josh misses some stuff but overall it's because of Dorsey's concepts. Here is a good breakdown instead of a twitter vid

Go back and watch the Daboll run offense. Its not even close to being run the same way.

Gashed the entire game - 35 yards punt, 4 yards punt, 34 yards punt, 23 yards turnover of downs ToP our offense - 1:40 punt, 13 seconds int, 2:09 punt, 1:37 end of half, 1:18 punt, 3:55 fumble What gave us 10-20% chance at winning the game was Allen throwing an int and Kincaid fumbling the football after driving the field and 4 other drives the offense did nothing. Sorry, but the defense did fine. Fact remains the offense had 6 drives that they could have scored on and did nothing. You aren't going to win football games if you keep giving the ball back to an elite offense from turnovers and punts. The offense has to score. It didn't. Not the defenses fault.

It doesn't matter if they gave up back to back drives. Its the same points if its back to back or 1 score in 2 different quarters. It's over the course of the whole game. The offense had 6 drives they could have scored on where the defense held them to no points and they did diddly with it other than 3 and out or turn the ball over. We turned the ball over twice to an elite offense and the rag tag defense still held them to 24 points. As for the rest... ifs ifs ifs. None of it happened so it doesn't count. How about the tripping that would have given us a first down and 15 more yards. We could have went on to score, you don't know. It's all ifs. You can say all you want. The fact is the offense scored 18 points and the defense allowed 24. If you expect a rag tag defense to hold an elite team under 18 points, you are out of your mind.

I really hope so. I haven't given up on the season but it does look bleak. Yes there are like 4 teams that have the same 4 losses as us behind us but they have a game in hand because of bye weeks. I don't think they will coast. I also don't think they are invincible. I am just saying we have no room for error now and a pretty rough schedule coming up. The offense still hasn't found its way and got its ***** together.

Its not the same offensive philosophy.

Over the last 5 games the Bills have averaged 20.2 ppg. That would put them 20th.

but but but epa. Scoring is the same as it was last season. Its like 0.2 difference. It is down from the prior two years by a couple points though.

As much as I don't like this staff and you can see that from my post history, I still think this crap is tacky. These players are still playing their ass off and it's an embarrassment to them too. Also, not something a new coach would like to hear about I doubt.

It is but Miami has a fairly soft schedule in front of them. Raiders, Commanders, Jets x2, Titans. Their tough remaining games Ravens, Cowboys, us.

You roll your eyes but you know I am right because you have nothing other than "but they were 7-6 two years ago and made the playoffs."

I expect that if they are healthy. Did you see the list of players on defense on that final drive? You're asking the C crew to stop an elite offense. For the last time, they stopped the Bengals all game long. Where was the offense? The offense had 6 other drives to score a TD on. Yeah, thats right.... 6 other drives. You want to blame the defense over 1 drive. It wasn't even a guarantee the offense scored if they did get the ball back. Von is still coming back from an ACL. That takes time. Just because he is on the field doesn't mean he is back to himself.

I think some people don't understand how bad last nights loss was for this team. It's the difference between leading our division by a half game and being 9th on the outside looking in. The AFC is tight. Although we are 9th (2 slots out of the playoffs,) we are actually 1 game away from being 13th (6 slots out of the playoffs) and that's only because some of those teams had bye weeks already. A loss to the Broncos could end up putting the Bills at the bottom... just above the Pats. Thats disgusting. There is zero room for error with the gauntlet of the schedule still coming up.

No, I don't. It would be nice but the D stopped them and gave the offense a chance all 2nd half. It's not their fault the O didn't take advantage sooner. I did expect them to make a stop on the Pats after we took the lead with 2 mins left but thats a different situation. The fact is the offense had a chance all game to take advantage thanks to the D. I'm not going to fault them for not making a stop to give the offense a ball back when they did so all game long.

McD is quoted “I’m doing everything that I can as a head coach to make sure that things are the way that I want them and expect them to be across all three phases" Sorry, but McD has his role in this offensive catastrophe too. The reason Daboll and McD hate each other is because McD tried to meddle with him and Daboll wouldn't listen. Not saying Daboll is the greatest but he sure ran a hell of a lot more high powered offense than this crap.