Scott7975

I think some people don't understand how bad last nights loss was for this team. It's the difference between leading our division by a half game and being 9th on the outside looking in. The AFC is tight. Although we are 9th (2 slots out of the playoffs,) we are actually 1 game away from being 13th (6 slots out of the playoffs) and that's only because some of those teams had bye weeks already. A loss to the Broncos could end up putting the Bills at the bottom... just above the Pats. Thats disgusting. There is zero room for error with the gauntlet of the schedule still coming up.

No, I don't. It would be nice but the D stopped them and gave the offense a chance all 2nd half. It's not their fault the O didn't take advantage sooner. I did expect them to make a stop on the Pats after we took the lead with 2 mins left but thats a different situation. The fact is the offense had a chance all game to take advantage thanks to the D. I'm not going to fault them for not making a stop to give the offense a ball back when they did so all game long.

McD is quoted “I’m doing everything that I can as a head coach to make sure that things are the way that I want them and expect them to be across all three phases" Sorry, but McD has his role in this offensive catastrophe too. The reason Daboll and McD hate each other is because McD tried to meddle with him and Daboll wouldn't listen. Not saying Daboll is the greatest but he sure ran a hell of a lot more high powered offense than this crap.

Time for McD to go. Enough trying to force this team into some archaic football team that wins 17-10. The Bills D can't even hold teams to that. Our O sucks because the offense isn't designed to the strength of the players and what they can do well. It is designed to play McD ball. This is why McD and Daboll hate each other... because Daboll wouldn't listen. Dorsey has a job in a place he don't belong because he is a McD yes man.

Other teams score points. Especially elite teams and the Bengals are certainly elite with many weapons. Did you expect a shut out? Would it make any difference if they scored on the first drive and then in the 3rd quarter instead? The D actually had a huge stop in the first half after our offense gave up the ball on our own 32 and the Bengals came away with zero points from it. So yeah, you can say the Bills defense sucked on the first two drives but they were going to score. Its not about what it is on the first two drives. Its about what it is over the course of the entire game. The fact is the offense put the D in bad spots and the D held an elite offense to 24 points. Only 3 points in the entire second half. Im bummed about those first two drives but they wouldn't matter if our O could score and again, we were never going to pitch a shut out. That same team just torched the 49ers last week in an away game. Considering our D fielded a few backup scrubs during the game, I can't put this loss on the D. They did a good enough job to win a football game. The offense didn't do its part. The game was never even close. The offense didn't make it close until mid 4th quarter while having plenty of opportunity to do so. Thats what you expect out of a D... give your offense opportunity. They did. The offense couldn't match.

Nice try with that but you apparantly didn't read the post in some cringe effort to get back at me for what I said to you yesterday. I didn't bash Davis in my post. I said the team is using him wrong.

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This is about offensive production and making the playoffs. The offensive production is not good enough which could keep them from making the playoffs. I don't care about being 2nd in total tds as that is skewed from like 3 games out of 9. Our last 5 weeks we have scored 20 ppg. That is not good enough. These weren't against some monster D's either. If you can't see our offense sucked for a big portion of the season thus far then you aren't watching. Average ppg in the NFL this year is the same as it was last year. What does that have to do with our offense only scoring 20 ppg on average over the last 5 weeks? Even most of those points are late 4th qtr stuff where the offense did jack the first 3/4's. The Chiefs offense is down because they have no talent in skill positions other than an old hobbled Kelce. Our talent on O is leagues better than the Chiefs this year. Last season it was about the same. I also don't care about the Chiefs, or the Chargers, or anyone else. I care about the Bills and for the last 5 weeks the Bills offense might as well be run by Tyrod Taylor. That also has nothing to do with your post that you were clearly wrong about. Do you care to address saying the offense was "meh in 2021 until Dec?" I clearly showed you were wrong. Instead of just admitting that, you completely changed the topic. Would I prefer to be the Chargers? No, I would prefer our Offense lives up to what it should be and stop wasting Josh Allen and trying to turn him to Tom Brady which clearly isn't working for him. Design the offense to the strengths of our personnel instead of designing an offense based on what they want to be able to do with players they don't have.

Completely wrong. The Bills turned the ball over on our own 32 and the Bengals got zero points from it. That is a huge spot. They forced a turnover on downs on our own 35 as well. The Bengals scored 3 points the entire second half of the game and please don't tell me they weren't trying to score points. They went for it on 4th and 5 at the end of the 3rd quarter. They were passing all game long, not burning clock. Our offense did nothing the entire game. Our D held them most of the game after the first two drives. That is good defense and winning defense. This wasnt just some junk team. Its a legit superbowl contender in their own house with a top 5 QB. I know right? I didn't think he meddled with the offense that much until that dude posted the article link. The coach should be involved. That is the head coach job, but if he is the problem then he needs to let go. This is probably why he and Daboll hate each other.

Josh turnover was terrible but it didn't lead to Bengals points. Our D actually pushed the Bengals back and they punted. ooof “I’m doing everything that I can as a head coach to make sure that things are the way that I want them and expect them to be across all three phases,” McDermott said via video conference.

Yeah, I mean the Bengals were obviously running the ball and trying not to score the entire second half. /sarcasm

No they were not. Not even close. Sept. 16, 35, 43 were the points scored. It was a bad opener but the Bills destroyed the second two weeks. That was not meh. Oct. 40, 38, 31, 26 points scored. We blew out 3 opponents including the Chiefs and even in our loss scored 31 points and should have won that game too. That was not meh. Nov. 6, 45, 15, 31 points scored. Yeah, we had two clunkers but it was still not a meh month. Blew out 2 of the 4 opponents. Not sure what you were watching but it wasn't Bills football.

Agree, processing the field is not where Josh shines and it is where Burrow shines. Thats why I don't like Dorsey. Its not the right offense for Josh. They should be having wrinkles of this offense to train him into it but they went full bore with it and just expect him to be Tom Brady with a bunch of guys that lack separation ability to boot.

It's not a matter of just if they are open. It's where they are in progressions, when they are open, if they are in the right spot, if the QB can see them, if there is a throwing lane, is the guy even worth throwing to in that moment in time, etc etc etc. There is more to it than just the still frame image that people like to post on here. This stuff all happens in the blink of an eye. I am not saying that Josh is innocent in this but too many times I have seen a still shot here showing some open guy when it wasn't necessarily the case.

You got downvoted but you are correct. The D made stops for most of the game. The Bengals only scored 3 points the entire second half while our O did nothing outside a late 4th qtr td all game long. The game was there to be had if our offense can score. Anyone blaming the defense is a moron. 18 points doesn't win you a football game against a superbowl contender with a top 5 QB.

This isn't what I was pounding the table for. I was pounding the table for Davis to be a full WR and not a streak down the sideline guy. It's no coincidence that his best games have been when he is used all over the field and not just running streaks like Dorsey has him do most games. I still don't think the guy is very good but he is decent and using him as just a deep ball threat is not the way to use him. This is last week and also the playoff game with Daboll. I will take that all day over this crap And yes, I realize that in this pic he got 2 TDS and 171 yards but his use was limited and too one trick pony. He has a lot of charts of this one trick pony. Look at the use in the first pick. It makes it much harder for a D to defend an offense as a whole when we have guys running routes all over the place than just a broken play down the sideline. It gives Josh more options in the play. I will take consistent target anywhere on the field over a guy that gets raw yards a couple times a game on a busted play. I do love we are using Kincaid and others more though.

Playcalling - everyone around here wanted Frazier out because he wasn't aggressive and on 3rd down he would only rush 3-4. Now we blitz people and people are all up in arms about that. Can't have it both ways. The problem with the Blitz is the other team sees it coming and and our guys don't get home, not that he actually calls it. Although, I do think he is a bit blitz heavy. Yes, those injuries matter. Milano is our best linebacker and was all over the field making plays. Next to him is a guy that is playing well but its still his first year of experience and as well as he is playing, isn't an all pro like Milano. That loss matters. Our pressure up the middle on the line took a hit and now we have a fat phillips and another guy that basically stand at the line doing not much. That loss matters. Our best corner, despite what people say about him, was back into his all pro like form when he went down. We have one guy that was drafted in the first round and gets torched so he can't even get on the gameday roster, another guy that is ok but no world beater, and another guy that was probably our best player on the field last night but has had some bad games this year. Poyer who has been an all pro player for us looks old and slow and isn't making the same impact and thats not because of coaching. The guys that helped create turnovers, hold star receivers in check, and gave good push in the middle of the line are mostly out for the season. That makes a difference. DVOA doesn't make us the worst defense in the league either. Holding the Bengals to 24 points while the offense did nothing the entire game outside of 3 drives, one of which ended in a turnover and also turned the ball over the first play of the second drive against a superbowl contender with a top 5 qb in their house is a good game. The only thing I put on defense is allowing that game winning drive against the Pats. Outside of that they have played good enough. You should be worried about this ass offense Dorsey puts out every week instead. They aren't going to win many games if they can't score.

Screw DVOA. Our D has done enough, with exception of the Pats game, to win. Our best players have been out during that entire stretch. Our O has ***** the bed. Scoring 20 points a game is not getting it done. It puts them in tough spots and bad field position. Last night this D made a lot of stops against a team that just torched the 49ers. Time after time our O went 3 and out or just 1 first down or it turned the ball over. Use your eyes man. Not some stupid DVOA or EPA crap. This D did have some sloppy play last night but they still played well over all and would have looked even better had the O actually put points on the board. The Bengals score 3 points all second half, while the Bills only put up 10 points until a late TD drive in the 4th qtr.

Please show me where they have been meh until late Nov. Maybe a couple game stretch but nothing like this. Not since Josh rookie year.

Yes. We started 5-2, 6-3. Had a lot of blowout wins or at least wins where our O put up a ton of points. Including a blowout win against the Chiefs. Lost a few close games. The offense even after putting up only 6 points to the Jags, 10 points in a hurricane to the Pats, and 15 points to the Colts was still averaging 28 ppg. Thats how good our offense was that year in the 10 other games. Our division had no real competition that year despite some people shaking in their boots about the Pats. We had a soft schedule remaining against that same Pats team not in a hurricane, Atlanta, Panthers, and a terrible Jets team that didn't give us trouble back then. What about this season resembles any of that? Nobody cares about your racist, homophobe, lying, trolling ass. Just go back to twitter where you are ignored there. I can't believe they let you back in yet again. If the mods don't like my comments to you after your soft ass reports me, I will be happy to prove them. PS... dont pat yourself on the back because you were wrong all those years too.

Laugh all you want suckers. They aren't going to fill the oline with #1 draft picks and the WR room full of the Devonta Adams and the Hopkins of the world. It just isn't going to happen and shouldn't need to happen. The Chiefs had about the same talent as us last season. This season they don't have one guy as good as Diggs. Not even Kelce. He is old and hobbled all year and his other receivers suck. They still winning. Who the Ravens got? Flowers? Broken ODB? They still winning. This team has enough talent. It's the coaching not using that talent to their strengths. You can keep disagreeing while you watch Josh get wasted with Dorsey.

For sure Josh deserves some criticism. I don't disagree with that. However, since Dorsey has gotten here Josh has had clear regression. They are trying to change his game into more of a Tom Brady like game and that just doesn't suit him. At least not yet. Rather than weaving in those concepts and letting him learn, they just full blown went with all of it. Josh is special at things that they took away from him trying to make him special at something he isn't. I don't care what some efficiency stats show. Efficiency stats are for chumps. What matters is scoring and Josh is on his worst 5 game stretch that I recall. Haven't dug into it but its worse than even last year. Last year, I said Dorsey sucked too. People hung their hat on but but but the scoring is the same (or maybe it was a tad better) as Daboll. Well now its not. Its plummeted. I don't care what stats show. They are stats from a few blowouts that carry it. Josh needs to be Josh. People need to stop caring that he has a bum game or two because that same Josh is the one that is a superstar and carries the team through 10 other games. A few bad games happen to every QB. It isn't the end of the world. You don't neuter that guy when he produces in the rest of the season. 13 secs is why we don't have a superbowl, not because Josh threw some ints against the Jets or had a bad game against the Jags. Dorsey is in over his head. His concepts suck for this team. He has no idea how to use the personnel. His game flow is terrible. He can't adjust. He can't design an offense for the talent he has. Josh has bailed him out a lot. Dorsey has a good gameplan here and there. About as many as Josh has Jets games. Asking Josh to play the way they want him to play is like asking Peterman to chuck it down the sideline all game. Square pegs, round holes. People can say we have no talent on the offense. Sure, we could use another WR #1. We could use a RT. The thing is we have enough talent as is. It is just used wrong. You can't have all stars at that many positions when you are paying a QB.

It’s because Dorsey is in over his head and has no idea what he is doing. We are 9 weeks in plus last season and this offense still has no identity. Dorsey has a bad design for our QB and personnel and can’t fix it. this should have been apparent when he gets players he has no idea what to do with. We got Hines last season and he had no idea what to do with him. We got Kincaid this season and couldn’t get him involved until he was forced to. idgaf. I will argue with anyone who thinks Dorsey isn’t the problem.

At this point, it isn’t about this year. It’s about next year. I want Dorsey gone but it’s too late in the season for that to be meaningful this year and no one on our current staff is good enough for the job.