Straight Hucklebuck
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Allen is either going to be good or not based on himself.
Not based on whether Derek Anderson or Matt Barkley teaches him.
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The only game Tyrod would have turned in the Bills favor is Houston.
And if we played the Vikings 10 times, we’d beat them what? 2 times?
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I don’t know why fans keep pushing this narrative that the FO “knew” it was going to be like this, that they planned on the offense being bad, that they weren’t going all in to win.
The GM says in every interview that they are always trying to win, that he won’t let tanking happen on his watch and that he didn’t plan on having the worst offense in the league.
Bottom line you cant spin this as some sort of positive.
Beane and McDernott will need to show a big jump in 2019.
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3 minutes ago, iinii said:
Or the possibility of damaging your elbow?
That’s what team doctors are supposed to do. Assess the realistic chance he reinjures the elbow. If they clear him, he’s in.
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2 hours ago, Rebel101 said:
How doesn’t it make sense? The plan was for Allen to sit behind Peterman and watch and learn. It didn’t work out. Now they can let Allen sit and learn. I agree 100% Allen has to be the future or we need to start over. But nothing has showed in the games he has played that he is ready to be out there. You don’t know his mental makeup what if all the consistent bad play begins to effect him. I think if Barkley can continue to play the way he did. It does nothing but help Allen develop. I also believe him playing would also help if handled properly, but I still think Allen has a lot to learn before he belongs on an NFL field. Game experience and reps are great for a player who only has minimal issues. Allen has a lot of ***** to fix and a lot of it is in his mental side of the game which watching tape and watching others is gonna be able to fix. Because you never know he could end up ruining his confidence or become scared from “getting reps.” Where as sitting watching and learning will not ruin him
And like I said him learning from someone who is winning is a lot better then learning from people who aren’t and never have. It will allow him to put more faith into what he is actually learning and seeing instead of possibly doubting it. I mean helping Allen to watch field and understanding coverages and things like that any veteran is good. But if Barkley can continue to win Allen will listen to Barkley more then he would Anderson because he is proving his view point of the game is producing results. Where as Anderson’s were not. When it comes down to Allen hearing how to dissect a defense, which route one QB looks to depending on a coverage, how long each read should get time, and which read is best in what scenario. Allen would take a winning Barkley’s advice over a poor performing Anderson. It’s human nature to question someone telling you how to do something who is doing it worse then yourself
Who is Matt Barkley though?
A 4th Round pick from the terrible 2013 QB class, a guy with 10 TDs and 18 Ints. He’s started what? A dozen or so games.
All of those things you list, couldn’t our offensive Coaches do that? Couldn’t Barkley do that from he sideline? Watching tape is something the Bills should be good at because McDermott talks about it every week.
It doesn’t make any sense to bench Allen for Matt Barkley on the “learning” basis.
He’s the 7th overall pick who Beane traded Glenn, #12, #53 and #56 for. He has to play. And if watching and learning is real, then he has had 4-5 weeks to watch tape before the Jags with 35 year old Anderson and Barkley and Coaches, so he should be noticeably better.
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22 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
That's the coaches call, not ours. All I'm saying is McDermott's statement about Allen starting "when healthy" does not necessarily mean "Allen starts vs Jax."
Ok, well McDermott said he’s our starter, which means in his mind Allen is ready right now.
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2 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:
Not at all Josh Allen is the future of course. But if McBeane isn’t tanking then I think Barkley should get another start. It wouldn’t hurt Allen to sit and watch a QB go in command the huddle and win games. Which was what McBeane originally wanted anyway. Allen has a lot to learn mentality and physically in this game. If Barkley can go in and continue to play the way he has it would help Allen learn more and actually give him substance to believe in. Like ok this dude is doing this like this and it’s actually working
How is Barkley helping Allen again by starting?
Barkley starts against the Jags and plays well, Allen is sitting watching him and learning how to play better?
Doesn't it make sense that if Allen is going to work out, I doesn't hinge on whether he learns enough from Matt Barkley, who himself is an NFL journeyman backup?
Eventually Allen is going to have to go back into starting lineup. We can chase the new QB who showed up off the street, or we can get on with figuring out whether Beane's handpicked QB can play, and thus whether the plan Beane keeps talking about is worth anything.
How can the FO have any credibility left if they go out and start Barkley because he can teach Allen how to win?
The logic doesn't make any sense here.
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Let's go back to the well one last time with the old legends.
Hey Thurman, Jim, Bruce, Andre - Can you get out there and endorse this kid one last time for us.
Andre, we'll retire your number if you come back and say good things about the Coach and team.
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Are the Browns getting crushed because Baker took Tyrod's job.
No, they aren't.
Why? Because the Browns just had the biggest win in their franchise since 2008.
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22 hours ago, Rebel101 said:
I believe you go with the hot hand and start Barkley. I think he earned himself one more start. I understand Allen is the future but they originally wanted him to sit anyway. But what if he does start and looks the same or worse then he did before injury? He was making some better throws in the Texans game. He didn’t play great but he looked alittle better so what if after sitting and learning from Anderson and all that he doesn’t look any different then what he did before the injury? Do we start to worry? I mean the main reason Josh Allen was even considered such a high pick was because of Carson Wentz and their numbers are no where near the same
Barkley was on a street, 3 weeks ago. No Bills fan was pitching the idea of signing him.
Now he's earned his shot. So much so, that fans now want the Bills to veer off their plan to start Allen so they can see what "Barkley can do" ?
I swear Buffalo fans have this underdog complex. Just hoping beyond hope that scrap pile guys, the forgotten, can come out of nowhere and win in this league.
4 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:I'd rather see barkley get one more game, especially against the jags who will blitz nonstop on allen. if barkley plays and we lose then we're done and it's josh the rest of the way.
if we win with barkley and they decide to go with josh, i'd rather it be against miami or the jets at home.
there are 52 other guys on this team trying to win. that's the most important thing. what is the stance of the players' council?
Disagree completely.
Matt Barkley is not important.
Just like Nate Peterman the 5th Rounder wasn't important, just like Derek Anderson a career backup wasn't important.
The 22 year old that the GM had to have is the franchise's plan.
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10 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:
If Allen isn't ready, starting him does nothing too.
When will you know definitively that he's ready?
What indicator light illuminates that tells you its time?
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13 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:
Ahhh yes. He’s not our guy if he doesn’t look like Tom Brady in his 6th start ??♂️??♂️
Nobody said that.
That's you embellishing to make some point about Bills fans being impatient.
(Even though any QB that has left Buffalo over the years, never resurfaced in the league as a great player.......)
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New England beat Kansas City 43-40 a month ago.
I'd wait and see how this year plays out.
Gronk's injuries are starting to take their toll, Edelman missed 4 games, Michel has been hurt to the point they are starting a WR at RB.
All of that may not explain away the dip in the numbers, but the Patriots are the only team that outgunned the Chiefs so far.
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Bills must have watched the tape and determined that the team needed more speed on the field.
Murphy playing some, McKenzie, Foster, Thompson, all are moves aimed in that direction.
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After Baltimore it was obvious that the Bills lacked speed. So I think the best you could do is what the Bills are doing now: bringing in younger players at the wide receiver position. I always would have moved McCoy into the slot more often and got Murphy onto the field, again, speed and youth.
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6 hours ago, Dopey said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fansided.com/2018/06/07/josh-allen-bills-updates-aj-mccarron/amp/
Definitely appeared like that was the plan.
No, I didn't just make it up and I'm not the only one who thinks so. Guess this is made up too?!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fansided.com/2018/06/07/josh-allen-bills-updates-aj-mccarron/amp/
Okay all those links are columnists extrapolating one comment from McDermott about it being a fluid situation and McCarron/Peterman getting to start with the ones at the beginning of Training Camp and adding their own opinions on Allen’s readiness.
Regardless, the Coaching Staff and FO moved Allen up the depth chart as camp went along and he started the third preseason game.
None of it matters, the cat is out of bag, you can’t unsee Allen as the starter and so he’s back in as soon as he is able.
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1 hour ago, Dopey said:
With the intent on him sitting this year.
Did the Coaches ever say that publicly?
Did McDermott or Beane ever come out and say the plan is to sit Josh Allen?
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Except for one thing:
1. The Bills traded Glenn, #12, #53 and #56 to get Josh Allen.
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1 minute ago, ProcessAccepted said:
If you can't see a top quality roster being built here then you are just too dug into negativity to even try. Try and take a couple of moments to give these guys a fair shot. Look at how young our team is. Look at how some of these guys are progressing. Yesterday was a glimpse of what some of these guys can become. Zay Jones was freaking fantastic. He's a second year guy who is on track to be a force year 3 (kind like Moulds did).
Growing pain sucks but try and see the development of the young guys. If you want to find any negative from yesterday it's what the win did to our draft position. Personally I'll take the team winning every time, I like the young guys getting a taste of victory.
I think this in on the optimistic side.
Will the Bills be consistent the rest of the year? Even when they lose, will their offense be competitive?
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We won’t know the answer to that question until Josh Allen becomes our starter.
So far, no they don’t know what they are doing.
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He’s 12-14 as a Coach.
You’d like to see consistent competitive football the rest of the year with Allen starting.
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Congratulations to the Bills on the win.
In terms of benefit of the doubt, I would think the goal should be to get Allen out on the field again, and making this offense competitive in every remaining game.
12 minutes ago, matter2003 said:Bills have the #1 D in the NFL 10 weeks into the year with an offense that makes that near impossible with how bad they are and how much they have forced the D to be on the field for so long.
5 games holding opponents to under 300 total yards
2 in a row under 200 total yards
Have only allowed over 400 total yards once this season
Have only allowed a 300 yard passer once
Have held opponents to under 160 yards passing in 5 of the last 6 games.
That's really damn impressive with how 300 yards passing in a game is becoming the norm not the exception.
This is a good write up, thanks.
And something to note in the offseason. The Bills would be smart to continue building the defense, adding DE, OLB and CB.
Of course, WR, OG, TE are the highest priorities, but smart additions on defense will continue adding depth to the team.
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Normally Damien Woody and Teddy Bruschi and Bill Cowher show up on set and expect to be right, they expect the Steelers and Patriots to just crush everyone, and they have their tired jokes all lined up.
But it’s nice when once in awhile the almighty analysts get their noses rubbed in it.
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Congratulations to the Bills today on the win.
Barkley should start and lose or keep the job. Nuance, emotion, morale are important.
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I disagree with putting the franchise on hold because a street free agent QB found his way onto the roster.