Logic
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Things are about to get reeeeeally interesting over the next few weeks.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nunes-trump-russia-investigation_us_58d2e0b5e4b02d33b748452d
Man Tasked With Investigating Trump’s Ties To Russia Makes Friendly Visit To White House
“If a Democrat had done this, Republicans would have been asking for him to be investigated both for disclosing classified information and for obstructing justice,” said Matthew Miller, a Department of Justice spokesman during the Obama administration. “It is so far beyond the pale for the person who is conducting an investigation to both brief the subject of that investigation and potentially jeopardize an ongoing criminal investigation being conducted by the FBI.”
We need an independent investigation like YESTERDAY.Via Twitter:
Schiff tells @ChuckTodd: “there is more than circumstantial evidence now…there is evidence that is not circumstantial” —@MeetThePressedit: Add John McCain to the list of those calling for an independent investigation in the wake of Nunes' actions.
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So you suck at reading non-peer reviewed articles as well?
Peer-reviewed articles is the standard now? That's funny. I see nothing but newsbusters, National Review, and Fox News much of the time.
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So you do admit that Trump was wiretapped?
I don't suppose you read the very next paragraph in that link?
"Just as stunning was the admission by Director Comey, speaking for both the Bureau and the Department of Justice, that the president’s tweetstorm accusation that Barack Obama “wiretapped” Trump Tower is nonsense. Nobody in the Intelligence Community has found a shred of evidence to support Trump’s outlandish claim, while Director Rogers explained that NSA’s British partner agency, GCHQ, was not involved in any surveillance of Team Trump—another bizarre accusation the White House backed, notwithstanding that such conspiracy-theorizing is of Russian origin."
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http://observer.com/2017/03/fbi-nsa-congressional-session-trump-putin-kremlin/
"Monday’s marathon Congressional session about Moscow’s clandestine machinations during our 2016 election was one for the books. The directors of the FBI and NSA hardly ever speak jointly in open session, so this was a truly special event, and what they had to say rocked American politics.
Together, the FBI’s James Comey and NSA’s Mike Rogers made it abundantly clear to the House Intelligence Committee that Russian spies interfered in last year’s presidential campaign, to the detriment of Hillary Clinton and the benefit of Donald Trump. Moreover, the new president and his team are under FBI counterintelligence investigation, and have been since last summer, in an inquiry that’s attempting to get to the bottom of this unpleasant mess—including assessing if there was any clandestine collusion between the Kremlin and Team Trump."
For those who still make insistences to the contrary. -
To be fair, I am in agreement that Wikipedia is not a quality "source". That being said, everything I posted in the quote from that link was factual. It wasn't as if it was erroneous information.
Furthermore, I wouldn't call newbsusters.org, the National Review, or Fox News "reliable, fact-based reporting" either, yet I see those "sources" used here constantly. -
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/22/paul-manaforts-plan-greatly-benefit-putin-government/99483224/
"President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, secretly worked for a Russian billionaire to advance the interests of Russian President Vladimir Putin a decade ago and proposed an ambitious political strategy to undermine anti-Russian opposition across former Soviet republics, The Associated Press has learned. The work appears to contradict assertions by the Trump administration and Manafort himself that he never worked for Russian interests."
It's getting smokey in here.
"Breitbart News, the right-leaning news site that aggressively promoted Donald Trump's bid for the presidency, is part of the FBI's probe on Russia's influence of the election, according to a report. The report, by McClatchy, said the FBI is looking at whether Breitbart and other "far-right news operations took any actions to assist Russia's operatives."
Breitbart was formerly run by President Trump's White House strategic adviser Steve Bannon, who left the site to chair Trump's campaign in the fall."
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I disagree with your first point for a lot of reasons. Not only does it set bad precedent and adds to the contentious relationship between the WH and IC, but there's following the law and making up rules to suit yourself. It was why the Republican obstreperousness to Garland really painted them for the lightweights they are, and should really give pause to the idea that conservatism and constitutional fidelity somehow to hand in hand. So no. President nominates justice, and Senate confirms. End story.
To your second point, there HAS to be a political party willing to put the good of the country first (a 9 member bench is kind of important) and think beyond 'they did it first!' as a governing philosophy. It may as well be the Democrats at this point, they've got precious little goodwill left to squander.
Thanks for this response.
Well reasoned and civil.
Sometimes it's tough to acknowledge that, while much of the GOP have been selfish, obstructionist children the past eight years, it doesn't mean democrats have to follow suit. You're probably correct, though.
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Oh and :
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Wiki is not a source you should be posting here.
Second:
The DNC is not a government entity, it is a private entity.
Odd. That link you posted says they hacked the DNC. It doesn't say anything about hacking the election.
Can you provide a link that backs your claim? Did they hack into voting machines? How did this "hacking the election" thing happen?
We'll wait.
You both act as if the head of the FBI didn't JUST testify that this very matter is currently under investigation. You also act as if hacking one political party's servers and not the other's doesn't constitute a potentially damaging altering of public opinion for a specific purpose.
Under questioning from Representative K. Michael Conaway, Republican of Texas, Mr. Comey confirmed the intelligence agencies’ findings that the goal of Russian interference in the election was to hurt Mrs. Clinton, a particular target of the ire of Russian President Vladimir V. Putin.
“To be clear, Mr. Conaway, we all agreed with that judgment,” Mr. Comey said, and Admiral Rogers added his assent.
But Mr. Conaway repeatedly probed the agencies’ additional conclusion: that Russia, and Mr. Putin, also wanted to help Mr. Trump.
Mr. Comey stated what he suggested was obvious: “Putin hated Secretary Clinton so much, that the flip side of that coin was he had a clear preference for the person running against the person he hated so much.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/us/politics/takeaways-russia-intelligence-committee-hearing.html
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Is that supposed to count as a rebuttal or reasonable refutation of my opinion? Deflection is not discussion.
Be honest: If the scenario were flipped and, say President Hillary Clinton was under ongoing FBI investigation for collusion with a foreign government to affect the presidential election, and she was trying to push through a Supreme Court justice, how would you feel? I'm sure you'd be all for it, right?
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WHEN did Russia become the enemy? Can someone tell me that? Not even four years ago, you were laughed at for suggesting they were merely an international foe. Now we're at war?
When they hacked the 2016 presidential election.
Here's a Wiki, in case you missed it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), representing 17 intelligence agencies, and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) jointly stated that Russia hacked the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and leaked its documents to WikiLeaks.[3][4] In early January 2017, Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper testified before a Senate committee that Russia’s alleged meddling in the 2016 presidential campaign went beyond hacking, and included disinformation and the dissemination of fake news often promoted on social media.[5] Six federal agencies have also been investigating possible links and financial ties between the Kremlin and Trump's associates, including his advisers Carter Page, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone.[6][7]
U.S. intelligence agencies assessed that Putin "personally directed" the operation
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Two things:
First, I agree with Chuck Schumer about the fact that it's unseemly to allow a president currently under FBI investigation for colluding with a foreign enemy to appoint a justice to a lifetime position.
Second, at the VERY LEAST, it seems reasonable to slow the process down a bit in order to get a more thorough chance to vet Gorsuch and to let more of the Trump/Russia process play out. And for anyone who says "enough obstructionism" or "why wait?", well: The GOP saw fit to let 322 days pass without even giving Garland a hearing, and now they think it's important to push through Gorsuch ASAP? What's the hurry all of a sudden? -
That's not treason you smell. It's liberal meltdown. Kinda smells like treason, but with more pronounced use of curry and cumin.
I particularly liked Maxine Waters tweet today: "Get Ready For Impeachment."
Seriously. Best meltdown ever.
I'll check back in with you as this thing progresses and see if you still think it's so funny.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-trump-faces-his-hardest-truth-he-was-wrong/2017/03/20/af9cabfc-0d83-11e7-9b0d-d27c98455440_story.html?utm_term=.bb95b016b6ea
"There’s a smell of treason in the air,” presidential historian Douglas Brinkley said. “Imagine if J. Edgar Hoover or any other FBI director would have testified against a sitting president? It would have been a mind-
boggling event.”
Brinkley, who has published biographies of such presidents as Gerald Ford, Franklin Roosevelt and Theodore Roosevelt, said of Trump’s start, “This is the most failed first 100 days of any president.”“To be as low as he is in the polls, in the 30s, while the FBI director is on television saying they launched an investigation into your ties with Russia, I don’t know how it can get much worse,” Brinkley said.
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Jets are purposely tanking to get Darnold next year. 2-14, here we come! J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!!
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I never mentioned unions. If you want to convince me about global
warmingcoolingclimate change, it starts by removing the billions of dollars blindly handed over to "scientific groups" who are more than happy to (1) say whatever they need to say for more money and (2) give a chunk of that money to the congressman these "scientists" got elected in order to allot them the billions they need to agree on something.There's actually more evidence to suggest that 3 out of 4 dentists recommend Trident gum to their patients who chew gum.
Sure. So long as we also get to remove the billions of dollars that oil companies spend to pump out misinformation and denial reports.
And with regard to convincing you...what say you to the fact that the 10 hottest years in modern history all came within the past 15 years? Coincidence? Unrelated? False? (Forgive me, I did not use the search function to go back and try to hunt down your opinion on this fact, much to the possible dismay of that Meazza fellow).
It appears someone is unfamiliar with Karl Popper and falsification.
I would suggest reading the whole thing and pay special attention to his discussion of "confirming evidence" what is often times called confirmation bias. Also notice there isn't a word about 'consensus' having anything to do with science.
I appreciate the link and the further explanation.
What I'd like to know is this: What evidence exists that the "theory" of climate change, as you put it, was found to be false? What peer-reviewed (or at least reasonably unbiased and fact-based) reports exist claiming that the science on global warming has been disproven? If I have missed it in this thread, forgive me. I admittedly have not read all 140 pages of discussion and am genuinely curious to know why several people here are of this opinion. Thanks.
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I'll try again:
What does falsifiable mean?
The possibility or likelihood that information or data can be proven false.
Now is where you explain your point in asking this or show me the proof that the data in question has been falsified.
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There is when you are a stupid !@#$ing noob who doesn't know how to use the search function.
Do you need a hug or something? It's just a message forum. Sheesh.
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You could, but you would just be doubling down on your previous error. Consensus alone has no scientific value.
To be fair, I don't see much scientific value in talking about how snowstorms mean climate change is a hoax, either, but that's what the last page and a half were loaded with.
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He actually isn't.
I knew I shouldn't have trusted the word of a man with "jizzle" in his name.
Why don't you use the search function or is that illogical you stupid !@#$ing noob.
No need for hostility and name-calling, now.
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Let's take a step back.
"Consensus" is not a scientific term.
"Falsifiable" is.
Talk to me about falsifiable.
Are you insinuating that you think the majority of the 97% are falsifying their data?
And I'd like to suggest a topic, too (and yes, I'm sure it's been discussed already somewhere in these 140 pages. That doesn't make it any less pertinent to the discussion): The ten hottest years on record. What do we suppose this data means? Was it, too, falsified?
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Because science isn't about consensus... arguing that consensus is proof of anything scientific is to misunderstand what science is.
I could just easily state that "ignoring and/or disavowing a 97% consensus among a scientific community is to misunderstand what science is".
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He is.
Cool. So a TRUMP SUPPORTER thinks it's "embarrassing" that leftists keep lying.
How's old honest Donny coming along with his not-at-all-embarrassing wiretapping allegations against Obama, by the way?
If lies embarrass you, my friend, I think you're supporting the wrong man.
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There's really no sense in trying to debate someone over a topic about which 97% of scientists are in agreement.
If the only response to "97% of experts on this issue agree" is "It's a money laundering scheme started by unions!", then, well...where do you really go from there?
I simply don't understand how it can be so easy for so many people to completely disavow a near 100% consensus by scientists that something is a fact. I'll say it again: The good thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not.
And to those upset that I didn't comb through all 140 pages of this thread to ensure that what I posted has not previously been posted, I apologize. But in fairness, "97% of scientists agree" is pretty much the thread ender...unless you truly believe that climate change is a big hoax created to launder money. If you don't believe 97% of scientists, I don't know what to tell you. It's like the kid who sticks his fingers in his ears and shouts "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!".
Trump and Russia
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If we're talking "convenient" things...it's AWFULLY convenient that so many people connected to Trump and his campaign are, one by one, revealed to have shady ties to Russia. I mean one or two and maybe it's a coincidence...but I'm really wondering at this point what it's gonna take for some here to buy into the fact that maybe, at a certain point, smoke = fire. Sessions, Flynn, Manafort, Page, Tillerson, Kushner, Sater. How many Trump lackies have to have their dirty aired before you consider that maybe it's more than "convenient" that they're connected to Trump, who, as you know, is himself under investigation.
And I stand by my statement that it will be an interesting few weeks and some unimaginable stuff is about to come down the pike. I'm not going to run off and hide if I'm wrong. I'll openly admit that I was incorrect. I hope others will do the same if the opposite is proven. We'll all find out soon enough one way or the other.