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No I'm saying if they really wanted Boldin/Barnidge they'd pony up.
So f the injuries hit(which they eventually will because it's football) the lack of depth will hurt where these two could be great depth additions.... Same thing with MG.
McDermott is valuing the cap over depth. That's fine if he's ok with a 6, 7, 8 win season. But it would be beneficial for McDermott to get off to a good start here and end the drought right away.
So, basically, if they really wanted them they'd overpay and give them whatever it took, value be damned?
Overpaying older free agent players is not a very good way to build a team IMO. Making smart/savvy vet signings is a much better strategy (which appears to be what they're trying to do IMO).
Yeah, we have a little bit of cap space, but we are a middle of the road team. We should not be maxed out against the cap.
It's likely a transition year anyway. There is zero reason to be right up against the cap. Plus cap space rolls over. I'm sure Beane and McDermott want the cap space to have some freedom to build the team they want.
I don't blame them for not going all in and maxing out their cap space in their very first year with the team.
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I assume the onkt is "only"
Yet you did not answer why you posted "championship"
So are you saying you think Bills will now win Championship as Rambo was the missing piece needed?? I didn't think so.
Again I am not at all trying to be a smart ass or start an argument. Other posters and myself just would like to know why this keeps happening. Cheers
I didn't take that comment as negative. I took it as someone just joking around and having some fun.
Most of the time, I think (most) people are just joking around when they make that "championship" or "super bowl" comment. Maybe a very small number of posters are trying to be jerks by saying that. But most are just having some fun.
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Kind of hypocritical IMO. They have quite a few players on their roster with "character flaws" and legal troubles (they almost seem to make a point of acquiring guys like that...), yet use that as more/less an excuse to release Lucky (even though it was a false arrest).
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Wasn't sure if this has been posted yet, or where to put it. But this looks to be a new Bills series with Richie Incognito called "Going Incognito". It was pretty good.
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Ok that is an interesting take. With Team success I tend to think that only the playoffs will keep TT on the roster, but would an 8-8 or 7-9 season save him. Obviously I think a 4-12 or something like that where they get a high draft pick in what should be a loaded QB draft and he would be gone too.
The thing is with that middling season that the Bills have had for 17 years of not bad enough to be in shot for a top QB, but not good enough for the playoffs what do you do with him.
What makes me think that they won't want to just throw whoever under center is that McDermott has said he's not looking to do a bottom out rebuild. He said he wants to win every game possible. So I'm not sure that they'd want to take a step back at QB. I'm thinking that even if they draft a rookie next year in the 1st, that they will still probably make him beat out TT for the job. Maybe if they win 4 games that's different, like you said. But 7, 8? I don't know.
I think 7-9 or 8-8 in everyone's first year with McDermott and company, with how tough the schedule is looking, wouldn't be that bad of a result for year 1. I mean, 8-8 is an improvement over last year.
I think it will depend more on how Tyrod looks anyway, than the Bills overall record. I don't know that Dennison will want a total unknown under center. That's the thing though - we have a totally new front office and coaching staff. We really don't know enough about their tendencies yet to even make much of a guess as to what they will want to do... maybe it becomes another "Tyrod takes a pay cut or we replace him" thing. I guess it also depends on who is available as well. If there's no decent free agents and/or they miss out on their guy in the draft, that changes everything.
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Wonder if Beane and Co. were possinky watching some old Bills film and seen some of the stuff Rambo did in Buffalo? Or if he's just been on their radar for a while now?
I actually think he could be a nice fit in McDermott's defense. He puts a priority on turn overs and that's something I could see Rambo doing well.
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I'd like to see the passing game improve in general. I'd also like to see TT play more games like his last Miami game, where he can score in the clutch. And obviously I want him to be able to run this new offense efficiently and show that he can be an anticipation passer capable of running Dennison's hybrid WCO.
But as far as whether he will be brought back next season or not, I think that really boils down to 1 thing - is Buffalo able to replace him with someone they feel confident in?
Someone who can run the offense as well as TT for cheaper (this is tricky because of TT's roughly $8M dead cap hit if cut), or better than TT for the same/more $. Or if they decide to go QB round 1 and they're able to draft the rookie QB they want - do they feel confident in starting him right away?
If not, I think TT is likely back for another season even if he only plays at the level he did last year (2016).
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Too much went on today from reports -- UB Ortho, Visit to New Era Factory, for this not be real. I think he went home to pack and get to Rochester...
(Just trying to add some positive thoughts to the normal -- he left forever reality...)
Sounds to me like the Bills did what they could to get him to (want to) sign in Buffalo (without maybe the "offering to overpay an almost 37yr old player to entice him into signing" part).
It's most likely on Boldin now. If he want to be here, great. But I don't want them to overpay just to get him here.
I like that they even brought him in. They seen a guy who has been sitting on the market all offseason that could add value to the Bills offense and probably tried to take advantage of it by trying to sign him to a team friendly deal. That's a smart move IMO.
Also, The Bills may not have given their absolute best offer yet though, just in case Boldin was trying to use the Bills to shop their offer around. So maybe they still make one final offer before he signs somewhere.
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Defense did not get the ball back near enough. Giddiness over hoping Taylor fails. weak.
You get all bent out of shape on anyone who even remotely criticizes Tyrod whether the criticism is deserved or not, yet you have no issues criticizing a brand new front office staff for stuff that may not even be their fault?
Do you not see the irony in that?
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Well, I hate to say it, but they have earned it. Your starting QB has the best game of his career and is benched by the GM because he still wants to push EJ, who everyone knew was terrible.Not getting any deal done today with Boldin, today just pushes the fact more that OBD deserves the criticism they get most of the time.
Yeah, they should have just went all out and broke the bank for a guy who turns 37 in October. I mean, we should clearly sign every single free agent we bring in for a visit, otherwise what are these jokers in the front office doing, right?
And If the guy doesn't want to sign here, we should just hold him hostage or kidnap his family and force him to! I mean, WTF is wrong with OBD? Not willing to go the extra mile....
Seriously though, this new front office had absolutely nothing to do with the whole Tyrod/EJ thing. They have literally all been fired. So how exactly does it push the fact more that they deserve the criticism they get? Seems like you are kind of blaming the new front office for something the old front office did, and holding previous losing seasons against a brand new front office staff.
You are going overboard with this Boldin stuff man. You know zero details of what happened, yet you are laying all the blame on the front office and saying how you're unimpressed and that they deserve all the criticism they get.
Again, what if it was Boldin who didn't want to sign here? That doesn't matter? It's still all Beane's fault? What if we still end up signing him? Does the front office still suck then? Or what if they sign someone better who gets released between now and the start of the season?
Don't you think that it makes sense to maybe wait and see what our new GM does with the next couple drafts and off-season before you decide they suck because they didn't sign one or two free agents that you, personally, wanted them to sign?
Anywa, don't you think it's better that they're actually bringing guys like Maclin and Boldin in for visits? They could just as easily not attempt to bring in any quality free agents and go with what they have. At least they're trying to find good fits for the team. I don't see it as a bad thing that they're not willing to get a deal done at all costs. If the player and money are a fit, great. If not you move on and continue looking for that right fit instead of forcing something. That's how good front office staff's operate IMO.
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I doubt he has many suiters at this point. If he does, then we lose out again. That has to change.
He may not, but he also may be willing to be patient and wait for the opportunity he wants. Hopefully that ends up being Buffalo, but if it doesn't I'm not losing any sleep over it. I'd love the Bills to sign him though.
And I hope that Buffalo eventually becomes a destination. Winning is likely the way to change that though, other than overpaying which the new regime has said they don't intend to do. They want to build through the draft and retain their homegrown talent. I like the sound of that, as long as we draft well (which I have high hopes of, with this new front office staff).
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If OBD is turning into the frugal Bills, they better be the best drafters in the NFL, for an organization staring at 18 years of no playoffs. Now that's not on the new regime, but it isn't a good sign for the fanbase not to get Boldin in here. Maclin, who had other suiters, I can see, but not this one.
An aging vet where there appears no other suiters for. A need area for this roster. Plenty of money under the cap. Sorry, can't see this one unless he failed a physical or something like that.
How do you know Boldin even wanted to sign here? How do you know what he was asking for, money wise? We don't know that there are no other suitors for him, either. We don't even know if he passed his physical...
All the reports I seen said that his first choice is to sign in Detroit still, and IIRC I believe I also seen something about if not that he wanted to play somewhere down south (FL I believe). I also believe I read something about how he was waiting until closer to training camp to sign, in order to be able to skip a lot of the offseason workouts and OTA's etc. (but I'm not sure on that).
This could have just been one of those visits his agent set up in order to drum up interest for Boldin or put pressure on Detroit (or some other team they've had talks with).
The signing could still happen yet anyway. All I'm saying is that we know absolutely nothing of the situation, or how the visit went or if he/they felt he was a fit etc etc etc. so to put this as a negative against Beane is a stretch IMO.
Like I said in my other post, there's still plenty of time yet to add a WR before the season, and it clearly looks like that's something the Bills will try to do. I like that they're not willing to just throw money away though. It's not like we are 1 veteran WR away from being a contender. This is likely a transition year, as the new staff installs all the new schemes and figures out which players fit the new regime.
Unused cap space rolls over, too. With some of the bloated contracts the Bills have, and their place in the standings, they're not in a position to just arbitrarily spend to the cap.
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There's a long way to go before the season starts. Let's wait and see what happens, yeah? There's plenty of time to add to the WR corps. Who knows, we may still sign Boldin yet, too.
It's not like we had a great passing game the last couple years, so drawing in any good FA wide receivers may not be the easiest task right now, until they prove that they will pass their receivers the ball more. Buffalo ran more than they passed, pretty sure they were the only team in the NFL to do so. That may contribute to WR's not putting Buffalo at the top of their list.
I don't want them to overpay an aging player just to force a signing, either.
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I agree. Not impressed with the new GM so far.
Seriously? What's there not to be impressed with yet? Because Maclin chose Flacco and a Baltimore team he felt was more competitive and just won a Super Bowl in 2012 over a Buffalo team that hasn't even seen the playoffs in almost 2 decades? (him not signing here had nothing to do with the GM, go read Maclin's comments in why he chose Baltimore). And because we didn't sign Boldin yet? Seems like some silly reasons not to be impressed with our GM...
Look at the front office/personnel/scouting staff Beane put together. How can you not be impressed by that?
Really, there's not even close to enough to judge Beane on one way or another yet. But from listening to him talk and looking at the staff he's assembled, I don't really understand how someone could not be impressed with him, unless they're just looking for reasons not to like him (IMO anyway).
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I had no issue with that article. I think it was pretty accurate, and didn't seem overly negative to me (and I'm usually one that hates all the negative Buffalo media articles etc).
If Whaley had stayed, and hired Lynn like the rumors said, I do think it was likely that Tyrod's time in Buffalo could have been done. IMO he did seem ready to move on, and that's what most of the leaks seemed to be saying too (whether they were accurate or not I don't know, sometimes they were and other times they weren't).
I absolutely HATED that benching at the time. Tyrod was coming off his best game as a Bill, and I just felt that was not the way you treat your starting QB. Plus I hated that Whaley once again seemed to be pushing EJ Manuel into the starting role (against the coaching staff's wishes) and I was scared to death that if EJ had a good game Whaley would try and push him into the starting role for next season. I had very little faith left in Doug Whaley to find another starting QB as well, which added to my fears of losing Tyrod.
It all worked out for the best though. We got a much higher draft pick, that was turned into an extra 1st plus what looks to be a very good starting CB and a good RT or WR (can't remember which trade we gave up the extra 3rd in). We kept Tyrod and we got him cheaper for this year (although if he breaks out and becomes our true starting QB of the present/future, it may look like a mistake changing that contract).
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This is unanimously a good decision, right? I can't think of a reason not to sign him.
Unless they gave him some ridiculous money/term, which I don't see happening, I can't see any down side to signing him.
I've wanted Boldin all offseason, so I'm really hoping it gets done.
But even if it doesn't, it seems pretty clear that OBD is most likely going to make an addition to the WR corps between now and the start of the season. I'm sure there will be some good WR's available between now and then. It'd be nice to get a quality guy like Boldin in before training camp though.
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Didn't see this posted anywhere, figured I'd share.
Beane's happy here
'When the Panthers fired Dave Gettleman, it seemed like Beane might be kicking himself. After all, he was next in line to take over as Carolina's general manager before he left for Buffalo. However, given the dysfunction in Carolina's front office, Beane feels at home in Buffalo, where he is comfortable with ownership and the stability he has. Plus, the Panthers and Jerry Richardson had a chance to hire him in 2012 when he was the interim general manager.
"I still felt like, you know, there was a lot of momentum in the building for me to get it and a little bit in the city," Beane said. "But you know how it goes, you guys are in that business. A lot of writers are looking for big names. And I wasn't a big name. And I think there was a lot of pressure on (Richardson) to bring in a name other than somebody from the same regime that he just fired from. It was fun for that three months. It was also a little bit gut-wrenching to have it taken away at the same time."
Also, here as a couple more good articles from NYUpstate. They're linked at the bottom of the article I shared above, but I figured I'd make it easier and post them here too.
How Beane & McDermott plan to change the culture - http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/07/how_do_brandon_beane_sean_mcdermott_plan_to_change_buffalo_bills_culture.html
How Beane and McDermott will communicate with the Pegulas? - http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/07/how_will_brandon_beane_and_sean_mcdermott_communicate_with_pegulas.html
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I've wanted the Bills to bring him in all offseason. Glad it's happening. At one time he was among the elite WR's in the NFL. He's obviously not the player that he used to be, but he could definitely still comtribute to Buffalo's WR corps IMO, and could potentially be a good veteran mentor for our younger receivers/players. I don't see where it'd hurt the Bills locker room to have some more good veteran's in it.
Wonder where he would slot in on the depth chart?
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Wow. Seriously, how old are you? You have to be a pretty young kid. What, like 12, 13?Because they are paying him more money he has to start so they won't look bad. And everyone is riding and banking on TT. Like they did Fitz. What happened? it set us back. Once again y'all gonna get your way. But don't cry wolf when I laugh at y'all TT backers. I'mma be like you can't haaang.It's gonna be fun when the better guy is playing and we lose. Both Bills and at Ohio State. So you better be right. In both places Cardale got benched. I will be laughing hard in about two months. When the Bukeyes lose without Cardale. And we lose with TT. You just make it easy for me don't you.
Listen, for the 3rd time, nobody here cares about your I told you so's. Why do you think anyone gives a crap about it? You will most likely be banned again before you we even get to the end of this season anyway.
And I have never once said that I think Tyrod is the answer at QB. Only that he is the best option for this season. So, the only way you end up being right is if Cardale earns the starting job and plays better than Tyrod. Or goes somewhere else and becomes a better NFL starting QB than Tyrod is. Until then, you are not right about anything. You think Cardale is a better option than Tyrod, so until he proves he is you can't say jack ****.
Cardale never got benched by the Bills BTW, because he never even came close to earning the starting job in order to get benched. Tyrod's pay has nothing to do with him starting over Cardale. His play vs Cardale's play does. He was given that contract by Whaley anyway, so why would our new coach and GM feel obligated to start him? They didn't feel obligated to pick up Sammy's 5th year option or keep other players signed by Whaley. So why would it be different for Tyrod?
Tyrod is starting because his play has been by far the best on the roster since McDermott got here.
You just make it so easy for me, don't you...
I really am done with this conversation now. It is absolutely pointless.
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Sorry to disappoint but the reports out of OTAs weren't good for those 3. I know some people that were at practice and they said it wasn't pretty.
There's a massive gap from him to the guy that's next. Yates stinks, Cardale is wild and Peterman has no arm. My guess is that Peterman moves into that role at some point though. He throws on time and is intelligent.
I have heard/read the same thing. Everyone has said that Tyrod has been far and away the best QB on the roster so far.
I am really hoping with some development and arm strength improvement that Peterman can eventually make a push for the starting job, or at least be a very competent backup. He has a number of the (important) things you look for in a starting QB, IMO.
But as of now, I think it looks like Tyrod #1, Yates #2 and Peterman #3 for this coming season. It is looking like Cardale will be the odd man out but that could all change with a good showing in camp.
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Very informative response.Cardale played more than 3 games in college... Now I am honestly wondering if you even watched much of Cardale's college career if you think he only played 3 total games.
As far as answering you now, I am not really 100% sure what you're even asking me. Maybe try writing it in a coherent sentence structure.
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Were what guys in front of him better? JT Barrett and Braxton Miller at Ohio State? Yes, they were. That's why they were ahead of him on the depth chart. Look up their stats, watch some Ohio St games. They were better.
Cardale only played those 3 games in 2014 because the guys in front of him got hurt, not because he legitimately won the starting job. Those guys in front of him were the ones that helped win a whole ton of games during the season to get Ohio St to the championship in the first place.
Were they drafted to play QB? Well, Braxton Miller switched to WR in his last year in college (2015) because he had 2 shoulder surgeries and could no longer play QB anymore.
JT Barrett is returning this year for his senior season of college football, so no has not entered the draft yet therefore he obviously couldn't have been drafted. But yes, he will be drafted to play QB in the 2018 draft.
And what supplemental draft are you referring to? Braxton Miller was taken in the 3rd round of the regular 2016 draft. There were not even any players drafted in the 2016 supplemental draft... and again Barrett hasn't entered the draft yet.
As far as where Tyrod and Peterman were drafted, one in the 6th and the other in the 5th. But so what? What's your point? It doesn't mean he is a better QB because of draft position. Doug Whaley once took EJ Manuel in the 1st round, and Tyrod was still better than him. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Must mean that Cardale is better than him too, since he went in the 4th right?
You're talking a whole 30-40 spot different in the draft between Cardale and Tyrod/Peterman. That's not at all significant when it comes to the later rounds.
But Both Tyrod and Nate Peterman were better college QBs than Cardale. IMO Whaley reached on Cardale because all the other QBs he wanted were off the board and he had an extra comp pick, so he took a gamble on a raw QB to try and develop. So far from all accounts he hasn't shown much development.
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If I remember right, he was somewhat critical of the GM firing in Carolina. Interesting.
I had that same thought. Definitely interesting that his release comes very shortly after he made those comments. Could just be coincidence, or could be related.
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Do you think Cardale Jones is a better QB than Tyrod and if so why hasn't he taken the starting job from Tyrod yet? Why is he moving down the depth chart instea of up it? That was the whole point of my statement. Noogie also implied that Cardale was better than the guys in front of him at Ohio St. which is why I brought up the benching.
A whole lot of junk NFL QB's didn't get benched in college... It's absolutely meaningless... As a 3rd-stringer Jones was never supposed to see the field during the 2014-2015 .. Still, he performed when his number gotcalled... Once Jones' competition got healthy, Meyer had QB options other coaches could only dream of... How much college FB do you even watch? .. TT's biggest comp at Va Tech was Sean Glennon... A guy
who would turn out to be pro BUM... TT was a great fit for Beamer-ball... In fact, He STILL is... I just wish we had the murderous special teams and defenses Frank Beamer had in the 90's and early 2000's...
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Yes, that is true they did bench him. Now the year he came out supposedly the same team was there playing - Cardale right? Did they win a championship? When he played he won and they won. Now were the guys in front of him better? Did they get drafted to play QB? That's right suplament draft. With three games he got drafted 4th round. Tyrod and the rook played more and where did they get drafted? Answer me now because I wanna hear this......
Cardale played more than 3 games in college... Now I am honestly wondering if you even watched much of Cardale's college career if you think he only played 3 total games.
As far as answering you now, I am not really 100% sure what you're even asking me. Maybe try writing it in a coherent sentence structure.
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Were what guys in front of him better? JT Barrett and Braxton Miller at Ohio State? Yes, they were. That's why they were ahead of him on the depth chart. Look up their stats, watch some Ohio St games. They were better.
Cardale only played those 3 games in 2014 because the guys in front of him got hurt, not because he legitimately won the starting job. Those guys in front of him were the ones that helped win a whole ton of games during the season to get Ohio St to the championship in the first place.
Were they drafted to play QB? Well, Braxton Miller switched to WR in his last year in college (2015) because he had 2 shoulder surgeries and could no longer play QB anymore.
JT Barrett is returning this year for his senior season of college football, so no has not entered the draft yet therefore he obviously couldn't have been drafted. But yes, he will be drafted to play QB in the 2018 draft.
And what supplemental draft are you referring to? Braxton Miller was taken in the 3rd round of the regular 2016 draft. There were not even any players drafted in the 2016 supplemental draft... and again Barrett hasn't entered the draft yet.
As far as where Tyrod and Peterman were drafted, one in the 6th and the other in the 5th. But so what? What's your point? It doesn't mean he is a better QB because of draft position. Doug Whaley once took EJ Manuel in the 1st round, and Tyrod was still better than him. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Must mean that Cardale is better than him too, since he went in the 4th right?
You're talking a whole 30-40 spot different in the draft between Cardale and Tyrod/Peterman. That's not at all significant when it comes to the later rounds.
But Both Tyrod and Nate Peterman were better college QBs than Cardale. IMO Whaley reached on Cardale because all the other QBs he wanted were off the board and he had an extra comp pick, so he took a gamble on a raw QB to try and develop. So far from all accounts he hasn't shown much development.
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Do they really have the cap room next year? Spotrac said $24M and OverThe Cap said roughly $30M (not sure which is right).
If they want to re-sign or tag Sammy (assuming he has a good year) that likely eats up something like $13 - $15M of that space (depending on. The tag or long term deal, etc).
If they want to re-sign Eric Wood that eats up another good chunk of that space, (maybe $5 - $7M, spotrac has his value projected at $7M) and that's only 2 players. That doesn't take into account any improvements they may want to make to the team in their 2nd year.