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He sounds like an old man who isn't used to or maybe mentally sharp enough, to properly respond to experienced politicians yelling at him and setting him up to try and trip over his own words.

No one arguing here is going to agree on obstruction, but does anyone actually care that the Russians interfered in the election?

I'm not dodging anything. I'd love for there to be an investigation into how the "links" between Russia and Trump began. Because Strzok literally worked for Mueller.

You're acting like Mueller was an active part of the FBI during the 2016 election cycle. There was never any charge. It's only ever been an investigation. Michael Flynn was linked to Russians in early 2017, and subsequently resigned. Jeff Sessions recused himself on March 2nd, and from there the cries for an investigation into the Trump campaign began and in May of 2017, Robert Mueller was named Special Counsel to investigate Russian Interference and potential ties between the Trump Campaign and Russia. I 100% agree with you that there should be an investigation into Fusion GPS, but I don't see how Robert Mueller's mandate would have anything to do with it.

I think that's the case for every 75 year old man.

Obstruction of justice is certainly the issue at this point.

They've already established that Trump didn't collude with Russia. The issue at this point is volume 2, where Trump appears to have tried to obstruct justice multiple times.

Fusion GPS was part of Trump's attempts to obstruct justice?

Why would he be?

That various FBI personnel lied to get FISA warrants to surveil Trump.

I'm very familiar with what I assume is in there, but save me the time of reading the whole thing. What pages mention Obama?

There's zero evidence whatsoever that Obama had anything to do with that. With that said, the players who were involved were way out of line and should probably on trial for committing crimes. I agree with you there.

I think it would be a bad thing. No one should use the Justice Department as a weapon. If the Dems are going to do anything, it needs to be via an impeachment process.

Exactly. If Trump loses in 2020 I think it's easy to see him on trial pretty quickly following the transition of power. Major power players will push for that.

Debatable. I feel it's pretty likely there are a ton of people in the Democrat Party would love to see him on trial.

Yikes. Mueller says Trump can be indicted for Obstruction of Justice after he leaves the White House.

To summarize his opening statement. 1. The Russians systematically interfered with the election. 2. The Trump campaign did not collude with the Russians. 3. The Trump White House may have obstructed justice. It's on Congress to establish that conclusively.

Not necessarily. I think the court of public opinion makes decisions on a case by case basis. OJ is widely believed to have committed a brutal double homicide. I can live with him having been labelled a murder, even though a jury didn't convict him. Mueller said that he wasn't allowed to indict a sitting President in his report. He's left the entire thing up to Congress, and they haven't done anything.

I'm talking about OJ Simpson. Sure, you enter a courtroom with the presumption of innocence, but a jury's decision to convict someone comes down to whether prosecutors present enough evidence to determine that they are guilty. In the event they don't meet that threshold, you leave the courtroom "not guilty". Also, Mueller never said there wasn't enough evidence against Trump. He did say that if he felt Trump didn't commit any crimes, he'd have said so, but he never said that.

When a jury delivers a decision, do they say "innocent", or "not guilty"? I get what you're saying, I'm just pointing out that the jury for OJ never said he was innocent. He was never exonerated.

There's a difference between being innocent and not being proven guilty.

Nothing is going to change after today. The Left Wingers will continue asking to start impeachment proceedings, and the Right will continue to defend Trump.

Agreed. They spent 8 years bitching while Obama was President, and now that Trump is the one ballooning the deficit, no one on that side cares. Once upon a time, Trump campaigned on the premise he'd eliminate the National Debt in 8 years. WHOOPS!!!

I don't I don't necessarily think Trump is a racist. I think of Trump more as a WWE Wrestler, or an entertainer who has altered his actual persona to make him loved by a specific portion of the crowd. In this case Trump has assumed the role of being a heel. He's loud, he says things that are often inappropriate, etc, and it makes the people who hate him go absolutely ballistic while exciting his base. I trust a lot of the people who have known him for years who say he's never done anything racist in front of them, and that they don't believe he's a racist. I think he entered the political arena calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers, and it worked better than expected. Since then that's been the persona he sticks with, and it's worked well for him politically. You didn't read a word of what I wrote. I literally said I don't think all people are racists. I literally said that people make a mistake when labelling all republicans racists. Work on reading posts if you're going to respond to them.

What point?